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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 4, 2016 12:40:33 GMT -5
So from what I'm readingits two guys in a seldomly used, obscure visitors center in the woods.
Seems kinda tame
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 12:55:52 GMT -5
So from what I'm readingits two guys in a seldomly used, obscure visitors center in the woods. Seems kinda tame WAAAAAYYYYYY more than 2 (though this was all started because of 2 ranchers who are about to do jailtime). But the locale is moreorless correct. They should go with your Haley Joel Osment idea, he did a good job clearing out theaters for both Tusk and Entourage. "Hey, it's that kid Walker: Texas Ranger done told him had AIDS!" "Yes. And I'm here to give you AIDS." *all militiamen surrender themselves to FBI*
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Post by BRV on Jan 4, 2016 13:09:20 GMT -5
Neither one of them are what I'd call constructive pursuits in the long run, but all I'll say is this: rioting and domestic terrorism are not, I repeat, NOT the same thing at ALL. Nor should they be approached or thought of in any sort of similar method. No they're not, but that doesn't necessarily mean we cannot and should not condemn both. Taking over a government building and threatening to shoot government officials is wrong. Burning businesses to the ground is wrong. Regardless of whatever your ideology is, regardless of whatever stance you're taking, both are wrong and both groups should rightly be criticized, ostracized, and punished to the fullest extent of the law. I don't care how strongly you feel about a hot-button issue, if your rationale is "we need to overtake a building and arm ourselves and shoot to kill!" or "we need to burn down that CVS and destroy our city!", you're wrong, you're f***ing stupid, and you deserve to go to jail.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 13:12:36 GMT -5
I understand the reasoning for making fun of them, I suppose, but until they start murdering mentally handicapped white children and raping girls (and not even foreign folks), comparing these schmucks to ISIS and Boko Haram seems pretty pathetic. Hashtag culture really is worthless. As nice as the thought of the #BringBackOurGirls movement was, it was just a way for people who could do nothing to vent and then let their attention span wander when a Kardashian decided to wear a new pair of shoes or Miley flashes her disappointing breasts. (IIRC, that movement did nothing to bring all the girls back to their families, and I don't think the vast majority of people who were initially sharing the hashtag even know what Boko Haram's up to now or if any of those girls were returned) And people are also saying nothing's being done because the government doesn't want another Waco. How could this be a Waco? If they didn't have the weapons and the government came in and burned them down / blew them away, THAT's a Waco. This is a militia of armed people threatening violence and to take over the country -- American history's full of these types of incidents of citizens threatening the state, and usually burning them down / blowing them away has been THE solution. And I can't see how a PR disaster would be an issue, either, considering the vocal mainstream & social media (as well as the ever silent majority of whites and religious types) seem to be full of people who are against these people. Similar to what happened with #Kony2012 too. There's not really anything the authorities can do without getting criticized. All I care about is the situation getting resolved without any casualties. There's no hostages as far as I can tell so I guess this will end up being a battle of attrition. And this isn't even the first time they've done something like this. That Bundy family which is leading this thing did something similar a year or two back (again on federal land, over grazing rights that the family said they had). That was a long standoff that basically ended with the local authorities backing off and letting them graze their cattle there. That situation took about 20 years to escalate to an armed standoff; this one escalated *much* more quickly. Other than that, there's not a lot of different between the 2 - the only major thing that's different is that this instance is being labelled domestic terrorism, and thus becoming a political issue - much more vocally.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 4, 2016 14:08:50 GMT -5
Neither one of them are what I'd call constructive pursuits in the long run, but all I'll say is this: rioting and domestic terrorism are not, I repeat, NOT the same thing at ALL. Nor should they be approached or thought of in any sort of similar method. No they're not, but that doesn't necessarily mean we cannot and should not condemn both. Taking over a government building and threatening to shoot government officials is wrong. Burning businesses to the ground is wrong. Regardless of whatever your ideology is, regardless of whatever stance you're taking, both are wrong and both groups should rightly be criticized, ostracized, and punished to the fullest extent of the law. I don't care how strongly you feel about a hot-button issue, if your rationale is "we need to overtake a building and arm ourselves and shoot to kill!" or "we need to burn down that CVS and destroy our city!", you're wrong, you're f***ing stupid, and you deserve to go to jail. I don't think I've ever seen anyone post or imply that riots are a good thing here, though.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jan 4, 2016 14:42:35 GMT -5
Since This is a wildlife refuge, I assume there are animals there of the avian variety. So I advise these guys to hire Charlie Kelly as their legal counsel. He can go toe to toe with anyone on the matter of bird law and come out the victor.
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Post by BRV on Jan 4, 2016 14:53:14 GMT -5
No they're not, but that doesn't necessarily mean we cannot and should not condemn both. Taking over a government building and threatening to shoot government officials is wrong. Burning businesses to the ground is wrong. Regardless of whatever your ideology is, regardless of whatever stance you're taking, both are wrong and both groups should rightly be criticized, ostracized, and punished to the fullest extent of the law. I don't care how strongly you feel about a hot-button issue, if your rationale is "we need to overtake a building and arm ourselves and shoot to kill!" or "we need to burn down that CVS and destroy our city!", you're wrong, you're f***ing stupid, and you deserve to go to jail. I don't think I've ever seen anyone post or imply that riots are a good thing here, though. I don't know, I've seen some people in this thread at the very least justifying the rioters' actions. I'm not going to pull the quotes one by one because it would take too long, but they aren't hard to find by looking through the first four pages.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 4, 2016 16:53:23 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever seen anyone post or imply that riots are a good thing here, though. I don't know, I've seen some people in this thread at the very least justifying the rioters' actions. I'm not going to pull the quotes one by one because it would take too long, but they aren't hard to find by looking through the first four pages. There aren't any. Let's keep it on the main topic, please.
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Post by BRV on Jan 4, 2016 17:00:47 GMT -5
I don't know, I've seen some people in this thread at the very least justifying the rioters' actions. I'm not going to pull the quotes one by one because it would take too long, but they aren't hard to find by looking through the first four pages. There aren't any. Let's keep it on the main topic, please. I'll leave it alone, but these are your words from page one: rioters, more often than not acting out of a sense of righteous anger over unjust actions, social issues or decisions
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 4, 2016 17:03:43 GMT -5
There aren't any. Let's keep it on the main topic, please. I'll leave it alone, but these are your words from page one: rioters, more often than not acting out of a sense of righteous anger over unjust actions, social issues or decisions That isn't "justifying" their actions, that's explaining their motives.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 4, 2016 17:12:40 GMT -5
Yeah, there's a huge difference between explaining and understanding their motives and justifying their actions.
And it helps to understand motives that cause terrorism, too, if only to better combat it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 4, 2016 17:46:40 GMT -5
Armed white guys vs the US government over possession of land.
Meanwhile Native Americans are giving them both THAT Kevin Dunn "look"
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jan 4, 2016 18:07:22 GMT -5
I love how Rolling Stone's coverage of the Oregon situation emphasizes that this refuge is closer to Nevada than it is near Portland. "We would just like to remind everyone that while this is happening in Oregon, it's not happening in the 'cool' part of Oregon!"
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 4, 2016 18:23:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if Billy Jerk Haynes tries to join the militia.
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Post by Hakumental on Jan 4, 2016 18:37:34 GMT -5
#VanillaISIS made me spit my drink. Well played, internet.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 4, 2016 18:45:46 GMT -5
The militia looks like a bunch of really enthusiastic Duck Dynasty cosplayers.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 4, 2016 18:46:43 GMT -5
"The refuge was established by President Roosevelt to protect birds whos populations have been decimated by Plume hunters selling feathers to the Hat industry"
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jan 4, 2016 18:50:20 GMT -5
"The refuge was established by President Roosevelt to protect birds whos populations have been decimated by Plume hunters selling feathers to the Hat industry" In their manifesto, I hope they say this specific phrase.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 4, 2016 18:53:04 GMT -5
These guys have watched "The Postman" way too many times, and actually enjoyed it.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 4, 2016 19:30:02 GMT -5
"The refuge was established by President Roosevelt to protect birds whos populations have been decimated by Plume hunters selling feathers to the Hat industry" In their manifesto, I hope they say this specific phrase. "A pox on the birds and their profitable plumes!"
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