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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 3, 2016 23:06:55 GMT -5
Lastly, as much as we want to equate this stuff and compare it to Ferguson and BLM and other instances like that, it has to handled differently. The main difference is that to those that were outraged by the events in Missouri and across the country with race related crimes, we can all kinda look at the system and accept, "Yeah, this is f***ed up and we need to change it." We can see what went wrong there and that it needs to be changed. The difference is that the people who are supporting this movement in Oregon don't see it like that. They have this reading on the Constitution in their mind that is so twisted and wrong from the actual law that any attempt to use force against these idiots will lead to more instances of this happening with actual violence. You make these people into martyrs for a group that wants to go to war, which will only lead to new violence and that's something we sure as hell don't want. This is what so many people don't get. These people are the American equivalent of Daesh, a wingnut faction who interpret everything into the specific way that fits their own predetermined ideology.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 4, 2016 6:04:53 GMT -5
Still not reading that one way or another these jokers have been disposed of. How much America are you allowed to take over without consequences?
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 4, 2016 7:44:19 GMT -5
Still not reading that one way or another these jokers have been disposed of. How much America are you allowed to take over without consequences? Standoffs are most always handled by waiting it out in the US, especially after a particularly notable situation led to a lot of dead, including children, in Texas a while ago.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 4, 2016 7:49:40 GMT -5
Still not reading that one way or another these jokers have been disposed of. How much America are you allowed to take over without consequences? Standoffs are most always handled by waiting it out in the US, especially after a particularly notable situation led to a lot of dead, including children, in Texas a while ago. Not just spitting in the eye of America and all it stands for, but also the most boring episode of Walker, Texas Ranger ever.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 4, 2016 7:52:32 GMT -5
Standoffs are most always handled by waiting it out in the US, especially after a particularly notable situation led to a lot of dead, including children, in Texas a while ago. Not just spitting in the eye of America and all it stands for, but also the most boring episode of Walker, Texas Ranger ever. You don't want to make martyrs of people who's goal it is to make you out to be the bad guy.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 4, 2016 9:09:07 GMT -5
Standoffs are most always handled by waiting it out in the US, especially after a particularly notable situation led to a lot of dead, including children, in Texas a while ago. Not just spitting in the eye of America and all it stands for, but also the most boring episode of Walker, Texas Ranger ever. Haley Joel Osmont will distract the clan by telling them he has aids.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 9:38:56 GMT -5
I understand the reasoning for making fun of them, I suppose, but until they start murdering mentally handicapped white children and raping girls (and not even foreign folks), comparing these schmucks to ISIS and Boko Haram seems pretty pathetic.
Hashtag culture really is worthless. As nice as the thought of the #BringBackOurGirls movement was, it was just a way for people who could do nothing to vent and then let their attention span wander when a Kardashian decided to wear a new pair of shoes or Miley flashes her disappointing breasts. (IIRC, that movement did nothing to bring all the girls back to their families, and I don't think the vast majority of people who were initially sharing the hashtag even know what Boko Haram's up to now or if any of those girls were returned)
And people are also saying nothing's being done because the government doesn't want another Waco. How could this be a Waco? If they didn't have the weapons and the government came in and burned them down / blew them away, THAT's a Waco. This is a militia of armed people threatening violence and to take over the country -- American history's full of these types of incidents of citizens threatening the state, and usually burning them down / blowing them away has been THE solution. And I can't see how a PR disaster would be an issue, either, considering the vocal mainstream & social media (as well as the ever silent majority of whites and religious types) seem to be full of people who are against these people.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 9:57:27 GMT -5
These dumbasses will probably end up blowing their own nuts off then being mentally capable of killing another person
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 4, 2016 9:57:44 GMT -5
I understand the reasoning for making fun of them, I suppose, but until they start murdering mentally handicapped white children and raping girls (and not even foreign folks), comparing these schmucks to ISIS and Boko Haram seems pretty pathetic. Hashtag culture really is worthless. As nice as the thought of the #BringBackOurGirls movement was, it was just a way for people who could do nothing to vent and then let their attention span wander when a Kardashian decided to wear a new pair of shoes or Miley flashes her disappointing breasts. (IIRC, that movement did nothing to bring all the girls back to their families, and I don't think the vast majority of people who were initially sharing the hashtag even know what Boko Haram's up to now or if any of those girls were returned) And people are also saying nothing's being done because the government doesn't want another Waco. How could this be a Waco? If they didn't have the weapons and the government came in and burned them down / blew them away, THAT's a Waco. This is a militia of armed people threatening violence and to take over the country -- American history's full of these types of incidents of citizens threatening the state, and usually burning them down / blowing them away has been THE solution. And I can't see how a PR disaster would be an issue, either, considering the vocal mainstream & social media (as well as the ever silent majority of whites and religious types) seem to be full of people who are against these people. What I don't get with the Waco comparison is that that was a private compound, this is a government building. This is Uncle Sam's house and it's a disgrace to the nation every moment they're in control of it. Doing nothing says America's gonna wuss out in the face of naked treason. These f***ers want to play ball let's play ball, there should be consequences to taking siege of this nation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 10:19:56 GMT -5
I understand the reasoning for making fun of them, I suppose, but until they start murdering mentally handicapped white children and raping girls (and not even foreign folks), comparing these schmucks to ISIS and Boko Haram seems pretty pathetic. Hashtag culture really is worthless. As nice as the thought of the #BringBackOurGirls movement was, it was just a way for people who could do nothing to vent and then let their attention span wander when a Kardashian decided to wear a new pair of shoes or Miley flashes her disappointing breasts. (IIRC, that movement did nothing to bring all the girls back to their families, and I don't think the vast majority of people who were initially sharing the hashtag even know what Boko Haram's up to now or if any of those girls were returned) And people are also saying nothing's being done because the government doesn't want another Waco. How could this be a Waco? If they didn't have the weapons and the government came in and burned them down / blew them away, THAT's a Waco. This is a militia of armed people threatening violence and to take over the country -- American history's full of these types of incidents of citizens threatening the state, and usually burning them down / blowing them away has been THE solution. And I can't see how a PR disaster would be an issue, either, considering the vocal mainstream & social media (as well as the ever silent majority of whites and religious types) seem to be full of people who are against these people. What I don't get with the Waco comparison is that that was a private compound, this is a government building. This is Uncle Sam's house and it's a disgrace to the nation every moment they're in control of it. Doing nothing says America's gonna wuss out in the face of naked treason. These f***ers want to play ball let's play ball, there should be consequences to taking siege of this nation. The part that makes this weirder is that they picked.....a wildlife refuge in Oregon to take over. It makes both sides look idiotic the longer this goes on - the govt looked stupid not dealing with them for taking over govt land, the militia look stupid for taking over some random wildlife station instead of something bigger (and then acting like it's the first noble step in a new Civil War)......and hell, a 3rd side: it makes those in social media look like fools with hashtags like #OregonUnderAttack, when even Oregonians probably didn't realize that wildlife station was there before all this (how do you claim you're under attack when NRA-loving idiots are sitting with Don't Tread On Me flags around what looks like a rest area stop in the middle of nowhere and literally doing nothing?) Doing nothing is advent on all fronts here, as is the same old divisive claptrap that never gets anything done except driving wedges between all sorts of Americans.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 4, 2016 10:28:25 GMT -5
I think there is also the fact that the Iran/Saudi Arabia situation has a lot more impact than these idiots, so it's mostly just ignoring them and hoping they starve to death.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 4, 2016 10:33:38 GMT -5
I hope the FBI sets up those giant speakers and blares Nickleback backwards at double speed 24 hours a day. Or would that be a violation of the Geneva Convention?
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 4, 2016 10:36:24 GMT -5
Pfft, they would probably shrug off Nickelback. It's a bunch of rancher white dudes.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 4, 2016 10:37:55 GMT -5
They should go with your Haley Joel Osment idea, he did a good job clearing out theaters for both Tusk and Entourage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 11:08:41 GMT -5
They wouldn't dare go in there and treat them like terrorists. I'm glad people aren't speaking around the issue as to why. But as usual, the issue would be lost on the people with the power to do the most about it. Just like it was when, for instance, a white guy can shoot up a movie theater and still be taken alive. But whatever, I'm sure something else like this will happen again...so until then... Sippin' my tea, y'all.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 4, 2016 11:21:41 GMT -5
Pfft, they would probably shrug off Nickelback. It's a bunch of rancher white dudes. We'll go with Kanye West then. I imagine his music is anathema to these people.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Jan 4, 2016 11:32:52 GMT -5
I don't know enugh about the original incident that spawned this to comment on it, but the "militia" type just seems like giant grandstanders and I wouldn't be surprised if even the family involved doesn't want anything to do with it. They don't. Ammon Bundy and his merry band of fools just hijacked someone else's fight. That's all it is. The Bundys are nuisances.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 11:35:30 GMT -5
Lastly, as much as we want to equate this stuff and compare it to Ferguson and BLM and other instances like that, it has to handled differently. The main difference is that to those that were outraged by the events in Missouri and across the country with race related crimes, we can all kinda look at the system and accept, "Yeah, this is f***ed up and we need to change it." We can see what went wrong there and that it needs to be changed. The difference is that the people who are supporting this movement in Oregon don't see it like that. They have this reading on the Constitution in their mind that is so twisted and wrong from the actual law that any attempt to use force against these idiots will lead to more instances of this happening with actual violence. You make these people into martyrs for a group that wants to go to war, which will only lead to new violence and that's something we sure as hell don't want. This is what so many people don't get. These people are the American equivalent of Daesh, a wingnut faction who interpret everything into the specific way that fits their own predetermined ideology. This might be the most idiotic thing I have ever seen written. And I teach college history at a junior college so that's saying something.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Jan 4, 2016 11:37:00 GMT -5
So this lot are Soverign Citizens correct? And also, why weren't this lot classified as terrorists from the get-go? They have threatened to kill people and that is kinda a terrorist thing. They're all Gilvin Daughtry. Warning: Possible NSFW language
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jan 4, 2016 11:39:34 GMT -5
I understand the reasoning for making fun of them, I suppose, but until they start murdering mentally handicapped white children and raping girls (and not even foreign folks), comparing these schmucks to ISIS and Boko Haram seems pretty pathetic. Hashtag culture really is worthless. As nice as the thought of the #BringBackOurGirls movement was, it was just a way for people who could do nothing to vent and then let their attention span wander when a Kardashian decided to wear a new pair of shoes or Miley flashes her disappointing breasts. (IIRC, that movement did nothing to bring all the girls back to their families, and I don't think the vast majority of people who were initially sharing the hashtag even know what Boko Haram's up to now or if any of those girls were returned) And people are also saying nothing's being done because the government doesn't want another Waco. How could this be a Waco? If they didn't have the weapons and the government came in and burned them down / blew them away, THAT's a Waco. This is a militia of armed people threatening violence and to take over the country -- American history's full of these types of incidents of citizens threatening the state, and usually burning them down / blowing them away has been THE solution. And I can't see how a PR disaster would be an issue, either, considering the vocal mainstream & social media (as well as the ever silent majority of whites and religious types) seem to be full of people who are against these people. Similar to what happened with #Kony2012 too. There's not really anything the authorities can do without getting criticized. All I care about is the situation getting resolved without any casualties. There's no hostages as far as I can tell so I guess this will end up being a battle of attrition.
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