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Post by Jam on Feb 1, 2016 12:57:10 GMT -5
Over the weekend I saw the internet crucify Phil Anselmo (rightfully so) and take it out on Pantera as a whole. So it seems the Pantera fandom died in front of our eyes over the weekend. I don't care though. Phil has always been a douche, doesn't make what Dime, Vinnie, and Rex brought to the band any less great.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 1, 2016 12:58:10 GMT -5
Now Kesha on the other hand,, Ke$ha's ongoing controversies involving Dr. Luke (one of her old producers) is a big reason why her career stalled so suddenly. Yeah, Kesha's career and ability to release music is literally being held hostage by Dr. Luke and her legal battle to get away from him. Because he's apparently an abusive piece of shit.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 1, 2016 13:00:11 GMT -5
However, she's certainly nowhere near the level of before. Artpop was pretty much a footnote when it came out compared to the "Gaga f***ing every where" period from Fame to Born This Way. I don't think that tweet saying that she's straight exactly made her fandom grow... Ugh, that made any discussion around her really toxic for a while. Repeated fervent and candid discussion of her bisexuality and how it's influenced her personality and music, and people still doubt it, but one badly worded tweet, and it was treated as the end of the discussion, because anyone who claims to be bisexual must just be evil fakers out to exploit the real LG BT community. I was kinda burned on it, especially seeing as she's got history. Remember the entire summer she was in the habit of wearing a strap on and having "accidental" upskirt moments during TV performances? My fiancée (a trans woman) actually used that as a case study in her Media Studies class of attention grabber stunts. How can you preach about being yourself and being "Born This Way" then pull crap like that?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 1, 2016 13:10:10 GMT -5
Over the weekend I saw the internet crucify Phil Anselmo (rightfully so) and take it out on Pantera as a whole. So it seems the Pantera fandom died in front of our eyes over the weekend. I don't care though. Phil has always been a douche, doesn't make what Dime, Vinnie, and Rex brought to the band any less great. Talented singer, but yeah, Anselmo's always been pretty unlikable. Pantera's Behind The Music didn't do him many favors.
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Post by wildojinx on Feb 1, 2016 13:28:04 GMT -5
Sadly, it looks like the Adventure Time and Regular Show fandom is heading this way. A lot of the fans have abandoned those shows for Steven Universe and Gravity Falls (though that show only has one episode left, so i dont know where they'll go after that) and Star Vs the forces of evil, and even We Bare Bears.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 1, 2016 13:30:49 GMT -5
that name became so poisonous overnight that even the other 5 members who formed No Devotion won't touch that part of their career
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Feb 1, 2016 14:31:14 GMT -5
However, she's certainly nowhere near the level of before. Artpop was pretty much a footnote when it came out compared to the "Gaga f***ing every where" period from Fame to Born This Way. I don't think that tweet saying that she's straight exactly made her fandom grow... Ugh, that made any discussion around her really toxic for a while. Repeated fervent and candid discussion of her bisexuality and how it's influenced her personality and music, and people still doubt it, but one badly worded tweet, and it was treated as the end of the discussion, because anyone who claims to be bisexual must just be evil fakers out to exploit the real LG BT community. Honestly, I think it's less that her popularity's died, and more it's plateaued to a safe level. She's made her big money, and now she can be more low profile, do her own shit without having to be all "WHOA, LOOK AT ME! BUY MY SINGLE!" Her solidly declaring she was straight definitely winger her popularity with the LGBT community though. I actively heard some people booing when they played "Applause" at a gay night in one of the clubs I go to. Daft really, it's still a great song!
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Post by Asuka City on Feb 1, 2016 14:39:25 GMT -5
It took me a few reads to get what you were getting at. I meant fandom for pre-split Panic members, so you get Ryan fans, Brendon fans etc.
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Post by BRV on Feb 1, 2016 16:40:14 GMT -5
No. She just won a Golden Globe for American Horror Story, so she's still going good and has probably expanded her audience with the Tony Bennet crossover stuff. SHE DID?!?! Oh my god that's an insult on every conceivable level. Not only was "Hotel" by far the worst season of "American Horror Story", she was arguably the low point of the show. She was a reverse Poochie. Anytime she was on screen all I could think is, "Hey, why does Lady Gaga have to be here?" She actually made me long for the halcyon days of Jessica Lange and I've made it pretty clear in the past how much I couldn't stand Jessica Lange's characters in any of the first four seasons of "American Horror Story".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 16:58:46 GMT -5
Meanwhile, you have Miley Cyrus who IMO feels like she's trying to emulate old school Gaga too hard, the whole "pay attention to me I'm so outrageous" gimmick. Gaga is smart not to try to compete with her and just do her own thing, she comes off more confident. What's funny about Miley is that, in the span of 7 years, she went from one of the faces of Disney with "Hannah Montana" to playing a sexually frustrated teenager who complains about not being able to use emojis in her diary in a movie called "LOL" that was a turkey of epic proportions (I'd rather listen to the How Did This Get Made? first before even looking for the film). The My Chemical Romance fandom died when they split up. Same with Panic! At The Disco; now its more fandoms for individual members. I was actually gonna chime in on "emo rock", as it was called in an episode of a series called "The Ongoing History of New Music" that many of the Canadian FAN users might be familiar with. Basically, it sprang up in the early 2000s, and by the end of the decade, it had fizzled out. Frankly, to me, it was for the best, because MCR was too angsty and what frustrated me about Panic! was that it's one song that is guaranteed to air on stations is edited where the key word of the song ("whore") is censored. I can't remember who tweeted it, but I saw this around the release of The Force Awakens. Avatar is the highest-grossing film of all-time - Name one character and quote a famous line. It's such a weird moment in time, rather than any kind of pop cultural phenomenon. You're right. For a movie that made $2.78 billion at the box office, it felt like it just sort of came and went without a lot of fanfare. Honestly, I don't recall seeing a single trailer in theaters or more than a handful of commercials on television advertising the movie. On top of it all, I can think of maybe three or four people I know who actually saw the movie in theaters. It just arrived, became this enormous sensation, and dissipated within a matter of months. For a movie with that kind of success, you'd figure there would be a rabid fan base or a group of people clamoring for sequels, prequels, and spin-offs, but that really doesn't seem to be the case. As you said, it was a moment in time, not a cultural phenomenon. Even internationally, where the movie made $2 billion, it feels like there's not a real market for it. Honestly, I think most of it has to do with the fact that the movie's really not all that good. It's revolutionary visually but if you didn't see it in a large-format theater, you're missing out on the appeal, because the story is kind of weak. It's the most superficial movie I think I've ever seen: awe-inspiring to look at but with absolutely nothing to offer beyond being visually pleasing. I do agree that Avatar is one of those things where it made a shitload of money, but it's not really a good or a memorable film. It's just a pretty sight of a world full of CGI where the humans are the villains. They are actually planning on making a series of these films (the overabundance of CGI is one reason why they are taking so long), though I don't think it's gonna reach the income from the first Avatar due do A) the length of time between films and B) the fact that the plot will likely be "humans want to exploit Pandora, Na'vi fight humans, Na'vi win all the time". It's similar to Family Guy discussions; people love to mention gags and recurring themes, but if you ask them questions like "what was the name of the episode that came from?", they often are like "I dunno?" and give you a vague description of whatever attempt at a plot was used. As for my own takes, I was also gonna mention Gundam as a whole in the West, though whether it was "born" in the first place is up to debate. People loved Gundam Wing, but Bandai oversaturated the market with the original series without teaching people about it that people got burned off quickly, not to mention the fact that the fanbase is one of the worst when it comes to in-fighting and, like "Lord of the Rings" and "Star Trek", the fans can be hostile to newcomers due to the way they discover the series.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 1, 2016 17:24:47 GMT -5
My Chemical Romance was NOT "too angsty", at least not by the time they disbanded. Danger Days was like the most upbeat and energetic thing ever.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 1, 2016 17:42:28 GMT -5
All of MCR's music was concept album stuff. Well, Black Parade and Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge were, anyway. It's sorta like Coheed and Cambria where they were telling story ideas they had for graphic novels through their music.
Musically, it sounded like a lot of the alt-rock and emocore stuff that was out at the time, but lyric content-wise, it really wasn't emo. And Gerard Way pretty much rejected the label out of hand. If anything they were more goth than emo.
I like some MCR music, too. And Gerard's a giant nerd who plays Final Fantasy XIV on the same server I do.
As for Avatar (the James Cameron movie, not The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra cartoons), I don't think it ever had much of a fandom to begin with. People saw it just to see it because it was this huge VFX spectacle and the first 3D movie where it was a core part of the moviegoing experience instead of a tacky gimmick. And it did those parts extremely well. But a big part of, in spite of being one of the highest grossing movies of all time (if not the highest; I forget if Star Wars TFA surpassed it or not), it not really having any real staying power in pop culture is that the VFX is all it had. The plotline and characters were mediocre and outright forgettable. I can't tell you a single one of the character's names from Avatar and can only give vague descriptions like "disabled guy pretends to be blue alien" and "blue alien that learns to love disabled guy pretending to be blue alien" and "Racist general who wants to commit genocide to get something for reasons" and "Scientist played by Sigourney Weaver."
So yeah, absolutely deserving of all the praise for its pioneering in VFX and 3D tech. But it's completely forgettable outside of that. I have a feeling that Avatar 2, if it ever gets made, will be a financial bomb of historic proportions.
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Post by chrom on Feb 1, 2016 18:26:12 GMT -5
The World War Arc and The Sharingan pulling new moves out of its ass every second where it became you only matter if you're an Uchiha divided a large part of the Naruto fanbase including myself who gave up on it with how terrible it was as well as Neji turning out to be right all along. Lowpoint of the entire series, and just after the well received and acclaimed Pein saga which to be honest, should've been the end of it right there with how it was done.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Feb 1, 2016 18:58:15 GMT -5
Over the weekend I saw the internet crucify Phil Anselmo (rightfully so) and take it out on Pantera as a whole. So it seems the Pantera fandom died in front of our eyes over the weekend. I don't care though. Phil has always been a douche, doesn't make what Dime, Vinnie, and Rex brought to the band any less great. What's this all about?
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 1, 2016 19:33:37 GMT -5
Over the weekend I saw the internet crucify Phil Anselmo (rightfully so) and take it out on Pantera as a whole. So it seems the Pantera fandom died in front of our eyes over the weekend. I don't care though. Phil has always been a douche, doesn't make what Dime, Vinnie, and Rex brought to the band any less great. What's this all about?
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Post by Jam on Feb 1, 2016 19:43:48 GMT -5
I was actually quite surprised I didn't see a thread on here about this over the weekend.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Feb 1, 2016 19:54:09 GMT -5
I have to say, that Phil Anselmo business doesn't really surprise me, unfortunately.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 1, 2016 19:56:32 GMT -5
Exactly, did anybody not have Phil Anselmo pegged as a pigshit thick racist before all this
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Post by Hurbster on Feb 1, 2016 20:02:38 GMT -5
I witnessed the almost-death of the Mass Effect fandom. Before ME3 came out, fans were largely optimistic and had lofty expectations since there was near-unanimous agreement that ME2 was an excellent game. Then Mass Effect 3 was released. THEN people saw the endings. Bioware threw the fanbase a lot of olive branches but even the Extended Cut didn't fix the endings and the fan rage calcified into cynicism. Now, Andromeda is generating a lot of buzz, but not as much as it should be generating, and the wistful hopes to bring back Shepard hang over Bioware's own forum like a listless ghost. The fanbase isn't the same and won't be the same, at least, not until they change course and I honestly think Bioware would rather get shut down by EA than make another Shepard game. There's still plenty of fans, sure, but the raw enthusiasm and energy are mostly gone. I for one am interested in the explanation of how this huge great colony ship got made at the same time the galaxy was at war and Shepherd was literally scrabbling about for resources for the Crucible. I understand the need to get as far away as possible from the f***ed up ending to ME3 but it does seem a bit of a jump.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 21:58:12 GMT -5
I witnessed the almost-death of the Mass Effect fandom. Before ME3 came out, fans were largely optimistic and had lofty expectations since there was near-unanimous agreement that ME2 was an excellent game. Then Mass Effect 3 was released. THEN people saw the endings. Bioware threw the fanbase a lot of olive branches but even the Extended Cut didn't fix the endings and the fan rage calcified into cynicism. Now, Andromeda is generating a lot of buzz, but not as much as it should be generating, and the wistful hopes to bring back Shepard hang over Bioware's own forum like a listless ghost. The fanbase isn't the same and won't be the same, at least, not until they change course and I honestly think Bioware would rather get shut down by EA than make another Shepard game. There's still plenty of fans, sure, but the raw enthusiasm and energy are mostly gone. I for one am interested in the explanation of how this huge great colony ship got made at the same time the galaxy was at war and Shepherd was literally scrabbling about for resources for the Crucible. I understand the need to get as far away as possible from the f***ed up ending to ME3 but it does seem a bit of a jump. How? That's an easy one. The writers got scared and didn't want to canonize Destroy despite it being the most popular choice by far. I get not wanting to capitulate to fan demand on everything, but turning away for the sake of a weak ending that didn't explain much of anything was just a waste. And they had quite a few chances to fix that, and never did. The series won't ever be the same unless they either use a crazy explanation to retcon that, or just retcon it outright.
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