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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Feb 9, 2016 19:37:59 GMT -5
Every time Del Rio does this move, it makes me shake my head. It looks SO DUMB with the guy voluntarily holding himself up. I know the business is exposed and all, but jeez...
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Post by MichaelMartini on Feb 9, 2016 20:12:53 GMT -5
Meh, it's easy enough to explain. You've got the blood rushing to your head, and you've got no chance in the rest of the match if you stay in that position too long, so your only hope is to try and escape, with the risk/downside that it also makes you vulnerable to attack. Except they don't try to escape. They just hang there holding themselves up waiting for the move. Even in old school matches, where a guy, usually a heel, would be on the outside ring apron and the face would push the ropes and then quickly pulls them back into the ring and they flop on their back made sense because the initial push makes them hold the rope harder for fear of hitting the floor, allowing them to be slung back into the ring. The person taking Del Rio's move makes no sense whatsoever. His armbar and sidekick were sooooo much better.
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Post by Starshine on Feb 9, 2016 20:20:11 GMT -5
Low Ki used to do a cool version where he'd put them in the tree of woe then when he climbed up to the turnbuckle would step on their knee causing them to sit up in pain and/or to try and relieve the pressure. Then he'd hit the stomp.
Del Rio should start doing this. At least it's something to help explain why the opponent would sit up.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 9, 2016 23:03:53 GMT -5
Del Rio does the move very well he makes it look like a legitimate finish.
The set up is what kills it for me but I would like him to change his finish so he won't blow out a damn knee cap.
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Post by KT on Feb 9, 2016 23:21:25 GMT -5
While it's not ideal, I think a lot of finisher's a fairly contrived. The AA is predictable, as is the KO Pop-Up Bomb, as is how long Neville sets up the Red Arrow.
I'm pretty sure I could do my taxes in the amount of time it takes for Neville to steady himself.
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 9, 2016 23:31:58 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Del Rio's double stomp if the move itself didn't look so bland. It doesn't even look like a finishing move half the time.
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 9, 2016 23:34:21 GMT -5
I just figured you should know, Alberto, That the tree of woe has got to go Because its a move that just takes too slow. Even though It gives the people in the front row A chance to crochet and sew As they want for you to finish you're match, Del Rio.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 9, 2016 23:48:26 GMT -5
While it's not ideal, I think a lot of finisher's a fairly contrived. The AA is predictable, as is the KO Pop-Up Bomb, as is how long Neville sets up the Red Arrow. I'm pretty sure I could do my taxes in the amount of time it takes for Neville to steady himself. I like how KO just tosses them off the ropes rather than doing a standard Irish whip.
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Post by SUN ATTACK on Feb 9, 2016 23:53:25 GMT -5
My problem with that finisher is that Seth Rollins was using it during his title reign AFTER they banned the Curbstomp (which is baffling to me), and he didn't win any damn match with it, if Seth doesn't win with that, how do i expect Alberto del Silencio to win a match with that? And don't get me started on the Superkick because i could make the same comparison between Seth's and Alberto's.
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Post by KT on Feb 10, 2016 4:16:33 GMT -5
While it's not ideal, I think a lot of finisher's a fairly contrived. The AA is predictable, as is the KO Pop-Up Bomb, as is how long Neville sets up the Red Arrow. I'm pretty sure I could do my taxes in the amount of time it takes for Neville to steady himself. I like how KO just tosses them off the ropes rather than doing a standard Irish whip. Nice, I don't though. Seems like too much of a build-up/time-waste. I'd rather just see him catch someone running in for a clothesline or spear.
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Post by 67 more on Feb 10, 2016 4:30:14 GMT -5
It's almost the new You Don't Powerbomb Kidman. You don't climb up to the ropes with Del Rio.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 4:52:51 GMT -5
He should just leave them in the tree of woe, they pass out somehow, then he pins him. That would enhance the Del Rio experience.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Feb 16, 2016 19:41:54 GMT -5
Was last night the worst one yet? Sin Cara just chilling out hanging on the ropes for twenty minutes relaxing while Del Rio slowly climbs the ropes before glancing around for 10 minutes and then signalling to the crowd for 20 minutes and then stomping on him.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Feb 16, 2016 19:43:34 GMT -5
it is no more contrived then the 619. Many Wrestling moves make no sense and couldn't possibly work in a real fight. Zigglers grab someone's head in midair with zero leverage and somehow DDT them is a great example of this. That move sucks too. They both suck. Bad example.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 16, 2016 19:44:39 GMT -5
Hey ho. The Tree of Woe has got to go!
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Post by Perfect Timing on Feb 17, 2016 23:08:58 GMT -5
Stupid how Sin Cara was looking at Del Rio while pulling himself up and just waiting for the double stomp.
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Post by 67 more on Feb 18, 2016 2:31:25 GMT -5
Oh no, they say he's got to go, go go Del Rio.
Oh no, there goes Hunico, go go Del Rio.
Destiny shows us again and again how perros point out the folly of McMahon.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 18, 2016 3:10:03 GMT -5
While it's not ideal, I think a lot of finisher's a fairly contrived. The AA is predictable, as is the KO Pop-Up Bomb, as is how long Neville sets up the Red Arrow. I'm pretty sure I could do my taxes in the amount of time it takes for Neville to steady himself. But that doesn't necessarily make the finishers contrived; it's enough enough for Cena to grab a dude and pull him onto his shoulders, and running the ropes is something that happens in a lot of wrestling matches. Those aren't contrivances, because they're easy to throw spontaneously into a match, making them the opposite of actually being contrived. The Red Arrow can't necessarily be hit spontaneously like the other two can, but it's a top rope move, which has the sole setup up "dude is on his back, time to climb the ropes", and helped by the factor of "Neville is about to hit his really cool and visually impressive flippy dude stuff". When a guy with a cool top rope finisher goes up to the top rope, it's designed to get the crowd excited for a move they're now conditioned to expect, but it can come about at any point in a match when things seem sufficiently built up to it. Much the same way that guys Orton, HBK, and Edge have their moves with startup theatrics that they hint to; it builds the crowd up. Contrived is forcing someone to end up upside-down on the turnbuckle mid-match. It's not only the setup that's a problem with that, it's the mere fact that it can never come about as a surprise because of the positioning that has to be performed. No "he's on his back, time to climb on up there" moment. The sluggishness isn't where it become contrived, but the fact that the setup has to come about and then he has to steady himself for the move, paired with the fact that as a Del Rio move nobody gives a f***, is where its problem lies.
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Post by MrElijah on Feb 18, 2016 14:16:53 GMT -5
Low Ki used to do a cool version where he'd put them in the tree of woe then when he climbed up to the turnbuckle would step on their knee causing them to sit up in pain and/or to try and relieve the pressure. Then he'd hit the stomp. Del Rio should start doing this. At least it's something to help explain why the opponent would sit up. Ah, so it was Low-Ki who murdered Generico!
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Post by trollrogue on Feb 18, 2016 15:45:07 GMT -5
Just like Ryback's Shellshock it's gonna go through a period of being built up in TV matches (and perhaps a PPV Pre-Show) as a strong finisher. Then just like the Pedigree it'll become a move that people will more often than not counter easily towards the end of a match. I kinda want to fast-forward to when Del Rio pulls this move out after he tries to use it a few times unsuccessfully because it's so contrived/telegraphed by everyone he faces.
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