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Post by Dub H on Feb 29, 2016 1:15:53 GMT -5
Honey, woman, babe, sweetcheeks, doll, chick, baby, sweetie, sweetheart, good-lookin, sexy, girl (to an adult). Unless you're VERY familiar with someone, that shit is sexist and patronizing. Yeah, I really would not be comfortable with anyone calling me those. Seems a bit uncomfortable and creepy. However, when it comes to my boyfriend it's an entirely different situation. Yeh,the way i see it is more of a way of how close you are ,not a question of sexism.A few friends of mine allow close friends,some only boyfriend ,it varies how close from people to people. But if someone goes around calling all girls babe,sweetheart then yeah that is a problem
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 29, 2016 8:24:17 GMT -5
but Sugartits is still fine, right?
in all honesty I wouldn't call anyone "honey" unless they were my wife/girlfriend/fun bedtimes pal.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 29, 2016 8:57:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I really would not be comfortable with anyone calling me those. Seems a bit uncomfortable and creepy. However, when it comes to my boyfriend it's an entirely different situation. Yeh,the way i see it is more of a way of how close you are ,not a question of sexism.A few friends of mine allow close friends,some only boyfriend ,it varies how close from people to people. But if someone goes around calling all girls babe,sweetheart then yeah that is a problem The only people who can get away with generically calling women "babe" (not bae, that's more lighthearted) are Duke Nukem and Johnny Bravo. And they're kinda... yeah.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Feb 29, 2016 9:13:48 GMT -5
Short answer, yes.
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Post by No Name is needed Bro Beans on Feb 29, 2016 9:52:59 GMT -5
I have trouble remembering names so I just call everyone chief it's the least offensive term i think and it's better than saying hey you to people
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 29, 2016 10:00:33 GMT -5
Yeah, it's one of those situations where a person may not have any sexist intentions whatsoever, but they're still saying/doing something that may be sexist, anyway. As said previously, a lot of it stems from the historical usage of words like that, or even how individual women have heard those words used in reference to themselves over the course of their lives. When used outside of relationships, the nickname "honey" really doesn't have a popular male equivalent, so it's already gendered plus it carries a condescending connotation, in this case, referring to somebody by a nickname they were probably called as children.
It really doesn't have much to do with "LOL2016PCPOLICE!" knee jerk reactions, just more to do with people having preferences for how they'd like others to refer to them, in which case it's pretty much our place to just respect their wishes. Again, I'm sure many people who would say it wouldn't have sexist intentions, but it's an unfortunate consequence of years and years of most "masculine" and "feminine" nicknames being used in very, very different ways, with feminine ones often coming off as patronizing (consequence of years of things like keeping women out of workplaces and building public spaces with male-centric expectations in mind).
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Post by Kash Flagg on Feb 29, 2016 10:10:01 GMT -5
I call everyone honey. Men, women, animals, inanimate objects. I'm from the south, sorry.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Feb 29, 2016 10:25:11 GMT -5
Waitresses here in the south seem to call everyone "hun"
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Post by Kash Flagg on Feb 29, 2016 10:26:38 GMT -5
Waitresses here in the south seem to call everyone "hun" Just wanted to clarify that I'm not a waitress...and I don't do "Flo" cosplay so kiss muh grits.
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Post by BRV on Feb 29, 2016 10:31:15 GMT -5
If saying "woman" is sexist, then I'll need a better pick-up line than this.
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Post by agent817 on Feb 29, 2016 10:34:24 GMT -5
Waitresses here in the south seem to call everyone "hun" I have heard that from waitresses before, as well as "darling."
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 29, 2016 10:38:04 GMT -5
The word itself isn't what would make something sexist; it's the context that makes it sexist.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 11:07:02 GMT -5
I called a female acquaintance "sweetheart" once and she got pissed off. She was all "I'm not your sweetheart!" and I was like "I didn't say you were MY sweetheart, that's my wife, I just called you A sweetheart because you did something nice for me." She still hated it. Then like a month later she tried to steal me from my wife. Women are crazy.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 29, 2016 11:40:53 GMT -5
Yeh,the way i see it is more of a way of how close you are ,not a question of sexism.A few friends of mine allow close friends,some only boyfriend ,it varies how close from people to people. But if someone goes around calling all girls babe,sweetheart then yeah that is a problem The only people who can get away with generically calling women "babe" (not bae, that's more lighthearted) are Duke Nukem and Johnny Bravo. And they're kinda... yeah. Okay not all of those words unless you are using in some kind of joke.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Feb 29, 2016 12:11:34 GMT -5
I don't think it is but if the person you're talking to is annoyed by it, just refrain from using it. I just call everyone dude or man, no matter the gender. Wait wait wait, how is THAT not sexist? Isn't that basically acting like male is the default and feminity should not be acknowledged as if it is somehow condescending? No, but if they take exception to it, don't do it. That seems like the best way to go about it. With people in general, really. It's rather frustrating how many people try to turn morality into an exact science and like there is only one acceptable way to conduct yourself and interact with people. Basically, I don't think the words themselves are sexist, but if they explicitly tell you that they don't like, ignoring it is certainly disrespectful. Although with that said, while I can understand why a woman would be annoyed by someone calling them "honey" if they aren't actually romantically involved with them, I'm not sure how "woman" is insulting any more than "man" is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 12:26:30 GMT -5
I don't think it is but if the person you're talking to is annoyed by it, just refrain from using it. I just call everyone dude or man, no matter the gender. Wait wait wait, how is THAT not sexist? Isn't that basically acting like male is the default and feminity should not be acknowledged as if it is somehow condescending? Maybe. But like I said, when go 'Aw man, that sucks!' I'm not literally saying "Hey, people of the male gender, that's unfortunate." I say it most to my girlfriend, haha! But mostly its just a habit I picked up from moving from the Midwest to California. Regionally, its VERY common to call every one "dude" or "man." Most women I talk to (casually, not in a work setting or anything) call each other dude and man all the time. Its a strange Cali thing, I think, that makes the term genderless in some circles. I used to be a big "sir/ma'am, mr/ms" kinda guy when I was in the Midwest. I actually wish I could go back to that, but the whole "dude/man" thing is so pervasive out here that people look at you like you're a Martian if you use formal stuff like ma'am. But I can definitely understand if someone found it to be sexist. In which I case I'd just stop saying it to them. And when I travel outside of California or even outside my usual social circle I drop that (and a lot of stuff) from my vocab, just because its not really appropriate everywhere. When I go back to visit the Midwest, its funny how quickly my "man's" and "dude's" drop off in favor of more conventional generic stuff.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Feb 29, 2016 12:38:45 GMT -5
One thing that has come from this thread is that I just realized there are not two distinct pink Kash's. For the past two months or so, I have thought that "Clash" was Kash Flagg. I cannot tell you how many times I have scratched my head at Kash Flagg's new persona on the Forums. I honestly thought Flagg was having an identity or midlife crisis. I cannot tell you how relieved I am to now know that I was just skimming the name and to know that former green "Radio Clash" is the source of all of these conflicting reactions to posts that I am having. So glad that that is resolved.
Kash Flagg is still himself. Thankfully.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 29, 2016 13:15:41 GMT -5
I don't think it is but if the person you're talking to is annoyed by it, just refrain from using it. I just call everyone dude or man, no matter the gender. Wait wait wait, how is THAT not sexist? Isn't that basically acting like male is the default and feminity should not be acknowledged as if it is somehow condescending? I think that boils down to how a word's meaning has evolved over time due to its popular usage. "Man", typically, has been taken from directly referring to somebody (e.g. the Ghost of Christmas Present saying "Come, know me better, man!" to Scrooge) to more of a general exclamation ("Oh man, that sucks!"). In that way, it kind of lost its gendered meaning in most popular usage. "Dude" has kind of done the same thing, though to a lesser degree, as it does still tend to be more male-focused. And yeah, I also think we can add in that sometimes there's a regional/cultural thing going on, too; that "sweetheart" may be used more in some places than others and just taken more for granted, whereas using it elsewhere could carry different connotations to people. I don't think we can go by the example of waitresses using it, though; that's still largely a gendered expectation, that a diner waitress will call you "hon" or something, but unless I'm grossly mistaken (always a possibility), I don't think it's something we'd expect from male waiters.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 29, 2016 14:23:43 GMT -5
One thing that has come from this thread is that I just realized there are not two distinct pink Kash's. For the past two months or so, I have thought that "Clash" was Kash Flagg. I cannot tell you how many times I have scratched my head at Kash Flagg's new persona on the Forums. I honestly thought Flagg was having an identity or midlife crisis. I cannot tell you how relieved I am to now know that I was just skimming the name and to know that former green "Radio Clash" is the source of all of these conflicting reactions to posts that I am having. So glad that that is resolved. Kash Flagg is still himself. Thankfully. I'm the earnest and often emotional but still droll cartoon nerd and he's the curmudgeonly horror mark that goes on banning sprees. That's how you can tell us apart.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Feb 29, 2016 15:20:31 GMT -5
It is considered as such unless they wanna bang you.
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