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Post by Lancers on Mar 1, 2016 2:07:50 GMT -5
My knowledge of the human heart is that I'm smart enough to know it doesn't actually break if someone makes you sad. And it pumps blood. That's about it. *Raises Hand* Also delicious "Eat your heart out girls!" - Shawn Michaels & Jeffrey Dahmer
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Post by Blindkarevik on Mar 1, 2016 2:13:57 GMT -5
First of all, forgive me.... it's late, I need to get to bed and I haven't read this entire thread so if I'm treading over old ground, forgive me.
I'm not completely convinced Brock vs. Dean at Wrestlemania won't play out the exact same way as Roman vs. Brock did last year. Well, how it was SUPPOSED to play out.... where Brock was just destroying Roman, but Roman would start laughing and smiling no matter how much punishment was dished out. He just refuses to stay down, but Brock keeps the advantage. Brock makes one big misstep, Roman starts to capitalize, staggers Brock, and finally people start thinking "this guy might actually do it!" the crowd starts to roar and rally and finally, Roman slays the beast.
However, the crowd shit on Roman's comebacks. First... because Roman just wasn't "the guy" yet. Second, another case of poor timing just like the Rumble when Roman had to compete with the crowd wanting Bryan to win. Remember, up until a few days before Wrestlemania... it was assumed that'd be Brock's final date with the WWE and he was going back to the UFC. People weren't happy, but they respected his decision. However, at the eleventh hour... Brock said he was staying. Suddenly, him losing the title was no longer an inevitability and it was possible for Brock to retain. So the crowd REALLY turned on Roman... there was absolutely now way for him to be cheered and really only reacted for Brock's offense and when Seth cashed in.
Now, throw Dean Ambrose in Roman's place this year and do the same exact match. People love Brock, but they also love Dean. There is a good chance once Dean refuses to stay down and starts to wittle Brock down, the crowd could turn on Brock and side completely with Dean. Not cuz they want to boo Brock, but because they really want Dean to overcome the odds. I see Dean getting the pin after an insanely brutal match and the crowd absolutely losing their shit.
That's the moment when you need to decide that after Roman takes the title, he turns heel. He COULD be the face of the company but really needs a solid heel turn to kick things off... it worked for The Rock, it worked for Edge, it worked for Orton, it worked for Undertaker, man it worked for so many people in the past... give him a chance to throw off the chains of being a face, become a strong heel champion... battle Dean Ambrose, who the crowd will be absolutely rabidly in support of... let that feud dominate through Summerslam. I'd let Roman keep the title then, have Seth Rollins come back and battle him for a few months with Roman still retaining and building himself as the top heel. Then lead to a triple threat of the Shield at Wrestlemania where Dean is finally crowned champion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 2:21:18 GMT -5
Either way I'm kind of convinced this match's only real purpose is the same as the Reigns / Bryan one last year, where it'll be, "Okay, the guy you people like more? He lost. He's not getting his shot. Now cheer for Roman already." With the possible additional intention of, "See? Triple H beat one of the guys in the match everyone's hyped for. That means Reigns / Triple H is the bigger deal."
That or they might have Dean win it, possibly due to Reigns interference, just to lose it back within a week or so, the logic being, "There, now he's a former champion to more be on Brock's level, and now he's had the belt so you people hoping for it and feeling like he's being held down can get it out of your system and boo Triple H for taking it from him."
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Post by Ragnal on Mar 1, 2016 2:29:31 GMT -5
Either way I'm kind of convinced this match's only real purpose is the same as the Reigns / Bryan one last year, where it'll be, "Okay, the guy you people like more? He lost. He's not getting his shot. Now cheer for Roman already." With the possible additional intention of, "See? Triple H beat one of the guys in the match everyone's hyped for. That means Reigns / Triple H is the bigger deal." That or they might have Dean win it, possibly due to Reigns interference, just to lose it back within a week or so, the logic being, "There, now he's a former champion to more be on Brock's level, and now he's had the belt so you people hoping for it and feeling like he's being held down can get it out of your system and boo Triple H for taking it from him." Except, as we've seen with Bryan, having such a short title reign will get people to call bullshit on everything and demand Ambrose get his proper retribution.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 2:30:12 GMT -5
Either way I'm kind of convinced this match's only real purpose is the same as the Reigns / Bryan one last year, where it'll be, "Okay, the guy you people like more? He lost. He's not getting his shot. Now cheer for Roman already." With the possible additional intention of, "See? Triple H beat one of the guys in the match everyone's hyped for. That means Reigns / Triple H is the bigger deal." That or they might have Dean win it, possibly due to Reigns interference, just to lose it back within a week or so, the logic being, "There, now he's a former champion to more be on Brock's level, and now he's had the belt so you people hoping for it and feeling like he's being held down can get it out of your system and boo Triple H for taking it from him." Except, as we've seen with Bryan, having such a short title reign will get people to call bullshit on everything and demand Ambrose get his proper retribution. They learned nothing from last year, why would you expect them to learn anything from 2013?
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 1, 2016 4:45:00 GMT -5
I'm really beginning to wonder, just as a few others have, if they aren't setting up Ambrose vs. Lesnar for the title as the main event, while Triple H vs. Reigns is a grudge match semi-main event. Everything with Reigns is just going sour, while Ambrose is absolutely killing it and the crowd is insane for the guy. I know Reigns is the "chosen one" and all, but Ambrose isn't a CM Punk or Daniel Bryan. He's in favor with Vince, too. That has to count for a hell of a lot.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Mar 1, 2016 6:39:37 GMT -5
If it was up to me, I'd merge the two matches and make it a Fatal-4 Way at this point. Reigns, Ambrose, Lesnar, and Triple H. You can't have Dean win the title and pit Brother versus Brother, leaving Lesnar and Triple H with nobody, and having Triple H win and go on to wrestle Roman Reigns isn't "best for business" - pun obviously intended. So just make it a Fatal-4 Way, No Holds Barred, and let's get this out of the way. The main event won't be booed, and there's slim hope that Dean walks out with the world title. Of course, this won't happen, as I likely see Lesnar messing with Dean Ambrose's chances at the title to gain some more heat for their No Holds Barred match, and Roman Reigns will go on to have Trips 1-on-1. Personally how I would do it is I'd have Dean win the belt, then have it be announced he'll first defend it against Brock then the winner will defend it in a triple threat with Reigns and Triple H. Dean barely squeaks by Brock, while the commentators wonder what that means for Triple H now that he's one-on-two with two best friends. Until the match proper starts, and immediately Roman is all over the injured Dean and just destroys him, with Triple H only jumping in when he needs help. Ultimately Reigns decisively beats him and wins, and the next night explains that it's nothing personal but the beating Triple H gave him made it clear to him there is no winning in going against the Authority, and Roman is there to be champion more than he's there to be friends. Cue Reigns as top heel, still an unstoppable badass but now with corporate backing, while Dean seeks vengeance. And if you want to do the Shield triple threat it would be very easy to get there from that point when Seth comes back. I like this. I'm still in the "Ambrose should narrowly lose to Brock" camp, and I also am inclined to think him winning the big one should be saved for Mania or at least a PPV so it's a bigger more memorable moment, but I dunno how else you salvage the main event at this stage without calling the audible. Plus it means that Ambrose beating Brock doesn't have to destroy Brock's aura, as you get the narrative that by beating Brock, Dean beat himself too.
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Post by King Devitt on Mar 1, 2016 6:43:08 GMT -5
For pete's sake the crowd were chanting various things Ambrose was saying, and all he had to say was "you versus me" and it got a yes chant. Then he added "for that" referring to the championship and the crowd popped again and got another yes chant going. '
Later on he decks HHH after getting beat down by the LoN to a huge pop, and simply saying "thanks" garnered him laughs and applause from the crowd. He clicks with the audience in a special way.
Just think of what Ambrose could be if the machine got behind him 100 percent.
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Post by dualshock on Mar 1, 2016 6:52:46 GMT -5
Last week we saw Raw end with Triple H beating the tar out of Roman...and he was cheered. This week we saw a much different, less bloody beatdown on Dean Ambrose...and Trips was booed. It's really, REALLY sad thinking that this show just proved why Ambrose deserves to be in the main event over Roman, and yet they'll prolly stick to their guns on the current 'Mania main event. 10 years ago when Triple H did a beating on Ric Flair, HBK and Batista he was booed and when he did the same thing to John Cena he was cheered. Today you can buy on the WWE shop John Cena merchandise that says "10 Years strong". Nuff said We have already learned during the last 10 years that it doesn't matter for WWE if their choosen one is cheered or booed as long as he gets a reaction and the fans did exactly that last week when Triple H attacked Roman Reigns. I have always asked myself why the fans have never turned their back on Cena when he did a promo or left their seats to go to the bathroom until his promo or match is over, they make the same mistake again with Reigns I honestly wonder if part of the issue was they had last week's beatdown be too cool. This didn't get blood, pedigree on the steps, etc, he just punched him on a table for saying "Thanks". Dean's more popular with a lot of the audience, but they also didn't do themselves a lot of favors with the way they booked last week's. Yeah I know Triple H is an old pro, so maybe he just goes with the crowd, but this... ...is not what a heel does. Tonight he was being the heel. Last week, he was the babyface. Maybe Triple H is trying to sabotage Roman. Triple H just being Triple H here, nothing new. He's still butthurt that after Stone Cold and The Rock left in 2002 he was never accepted by the fans as their successor despite his power and his mega pushes. That's why he was in 2000 and 2002-2004 (or pro wrestling in general) the heel with the most clean victories and babyface-like push and that's why he does stuff like in the GIF or why he acts as the babyface God of NXT while at the same time he's heel on Raw. His biggest dream and the only thing he never accomplished is being the babyface of the company everybody cheers for and that's something he can't buy. That's why he plays safe, he knows he will fail as the babyface of the company so he does occasionally babyface stuff while still heel. This is one of the rare moments Triple H can feel what it feels to be Stone Cold and The Rock so he enjoys it.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 1, 2016 7:29:58 GMT -5
this is just to build heat for triple h vs reigns and make Reigns look even more LIKE A BAD-ASS,STRONGER THAN HIS LIL BUDDY DEAN. when the beats the man Dean couldn't
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 1, 2016 7:38:05 GMT -5
Where did the notion of the crotch chop being a face-gesture come from? Didn't DX do it as heels too?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 1, 2016 7:43:28 GMT -5
You know, I am not sure they aren't calling an audible here. Not necessarily moving to Trips/Ambrose but making Roman/Hunter a crazed brawl while Dean has to survive a title match with Brock. Probably wishful thinking but something real odd about this to me. My head says no, my heart REALLY f***ing hopes so
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 1, 2016 7:57:49 GMT -5
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Post by lionelp on Mar 1, 2016 8:03:14 GMT -5
Sorry to disapoint you all but this was a clear set up for the March to Wrestlemania special
There is no chance in hellllllll Reigns v HHH will be relegated to a mid card grudge match.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 1, 2016 8:29:44 GMT -5
Man, some of the comments towards HHH in this thread are pretty vicious for not knowing the guy.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 1, 2016 8:54:40 GMT -5
The chances of Dean beating Triple H for the title are the same as me learning how to become a cardiologist in the next seven days. My knowledge of the human heart is that I'm smart enough to know it doesn't actually break if someone makes you sad. And it pumps blood. That's about it. But does it pump kool-aid?
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Post by The Yes Man on Mar 1, 2016 9:02:49 GMT -5
Why does Dean deserve to be in the main event? What exactly has he done to deserve that placement on the card? Business hasn't surged to new heights because of Dean Ambrose. They aren't selling more house show or Wrestlemania tickets because of Dean Ambrose. He's selling a decent amount of merchandise, but Cena still trumps him easily along with everybody else. He really hasn't gotten much in the way of mainstream attention, unlike Daniel Bryan who apparently was making some noise with the casual audience. At least enough to get Yes Chants starting at various sporting events. He's yet to get a sustained reaction that cements him as an all-time great. The crowd doesn't really hate the guy or love him. He's just kinda there in the middle. He hasn't really developed a connection with the fans, if that's even possible with him. What's his character? I mean what do we really know about Dean Ambrose and why should we care about him besides apparent workrate when all his best matches are spot fests with no real psychology? Why does he punch like a kitty? What's his catchphrase? Why does Roman deserve it? Look at the only two options at this point, Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose. Who is more over and can actually end WrestleMania the way it should be, with the baby face getting cheered? Dean Ambrose.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 9:04:13 GMT -5
Ok, how about as part of the power he still holds Shane O'Mac announces that the winner of Ambrose/Lesnar gets a spot in the main event as a triple threat match. Their match goes on first and either Ambrose wins (after getting the crap beaten out of him the whole match) or local Wyatts ruin everything forcing the board of directors/Shane/GM Bryan/whoever is the authorities counter to make it a 4 way (they could bring up that the Wyatts have been in the authorities pocket the whole time tying up some loose ends).
Then in the main event despite being exhausted it becomes evident that Ambrose has HHH's number more so than Reigns, eventually Ambrose has HHH right where he wants him and buries him with...I dunno dirty deeds through a table or something, he's about to make the pin when Reigns wallops him with a chair and covers HHH to reclaim his title, Roman leaves with the title to massive boos but as a newly made heel it's the boos they want and they have a pissed off Ambrose (not to mention Brock) to chase the title all summer.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Mar 1, 2016 9:07:24 GMT -5
Can't help but wonder about possible damage control myself. Its still weird they let Ambrose outlast Reigns in Royal Rumble. Then there was Dean having all the attention in the feud with Brock. Now you have him directly confronting Hunter while Roman is nursing a broken nose. They may still do HHH/Reigns but they're at least booking in a way that's actually giving me doubt.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 1, 2016 9:11:13 GMT -5
Where did the notion of the crotch chop being a face-gesture come from? Didn't DX do it as heels too? It's more that fans are gonna cheer for it regardless of the context that makes it a face gesture, which HHH obviously knows. It's like Ric Flair shouting "WOOO!" It doesn't matter if he did it all the time as a heel, people see that as a trademark thing now and will always pop for it.
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