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Post by wisdomwizard on Mar 2, 2016 19:17:43 GMT -5
Either Vince is paying him off, or he's been threatened with a firing. It's not much of a plot hole when your brain takes only a few seconds to fill it in.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Mar 2, 2016 19:21:29 GMT -5
Real quick thought, though. Lets say that Cena does find a way to get cleared for one very carefully planned out match...Cena would STILL be jeered out of the stadium.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Mar 2, 2016 19:29:15 GMT -5
Because the Corporate Ministry never disbanded, and Taker answers to a higher/greater power
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Post by celtics543 on Mar 2, 2016 19:35:18 GMT -5
I'm telling you. If they do a new blood type angle instead of an ill-advised "basically two guys who should be retired" match, it would be at least somewhat more interesting if not just as nonsensical. This is actually the best idea I've heard for this match because so far it makes no sense. Even if someone takes Shane's spot they would have to be the face because they'd be eliminating the authority and the Undertaker would still have to be the heel. They really think Taker is getting booed in his home state at Wrestlemania? The new blood thing I actually kind of dig though. Vince/Taker representing the old guard and Shane/Mystery Person X representing the new blood. Not sure who would be with Shane but it can't be Cena if it's supposed to be new blood.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 19:38:43 GMT -5
We have to remember Taker is not a traditional babyface. He's never been. He fights who he feels like, innocent or not. And if you're next, too bad.
This has been, like, a cornerstone of his gimmick for years. He doesn't need a reason. We chide Bray Wyatt for being booked similarly, but the difference is that Taker actually wins the fights he picks.
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Post by ManInGauze on Mar 3, 2016 3:35:42 GMT -5
Because the WWE is inept?
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Post by No Name is needed Bro Beans on Mar 3, 2016 10:00:30 GMT -5
Cash money and a chance to beat up on a McMahon is to good to pass up on
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Post by trollrogue on Mar 3, 2016 10:20:30 GMT -5
The day after Shane dies in the Cell against Undertaker, the Dead Man comes out on RAW and tells everyone he did it for 'da Rock'.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 3, 2016 16:42:57 GMT -5
Cash money and a chance to beat up on a McMahon is to good to pass up on Cash? That proves that 'Taker never left the employ of one Million Dollar Man, Ted Dibiase.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 3, 2016 17:02:29 GMT -5
We have to remember Taker is not a traditional babyface. He's never been. He fights who he feels like, innocent or not. And if you're next, too bad. This has been, like, a cornerstone of his gimmick for years. He doesn't need a reason. We chide Bray Wyatt for being booked similarly, but the difference is that Taker actually wins the fights he picks. I've seen a few variations of this, and to me it doesn't wash. There's a difference between "I'll fight anyone, if you're in my way too bad" And "The corrupt boss has told me to fight someone so I'll do his bidding without question"
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 3, 2016 17:17:32 GMT -5
I'm telling you. If they do a new blood type angle instead of an ill-advised "basically two guys who should be retired" match, it would be at least somewhat more interesting if not just as nonsensical. This is actually the best idea I've heard for this match because so far it makes no sense. Even if someone takes Shane's spot they would have to be the face because they'd be eliminating the authority and the Undertaker would still have to be the heel. They really think Taker is getting booed in his home state at Wrestlemania? The new blood thing I actually kind of dig though. Vince/Taker representing the old guard and Shane/Mystery Person X representing the new blood. Not sure who would be with Shane but it can't be Cena if it's supposed to be new blood.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Mar 3, 2016 18:00:40 GMT -5
Because the item in the lockbox is a vhs tape of vince and taker's romantic getaway from 1995...
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Post by Gremlin on Mar 3, 2016 18:10:25 GMT -5
Will he do it for a Taker Snack?
Rokay!
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Post by 543Y2J on Mar 3, 2016 18:36:03 GMT -5
Wasn't sure to make a new thread on this or not, but I decided to do the former and just put it in this 411mania.com/wrestling/undertaker-reportedly-not-appearing-again-until-wrestlemania/So if this is true they wasted their only time they have Taker until Mania on that segment. I just would have appreciated something, any hint as to why he is doing it. I am not as strung up about it as other people because their are many reasons as to why that they don't need to be obvious about in different areas of kayfabe (Taker pride in Mania as a character, Vince/Authority have something they have blackmailed him with etc). But all they needed to say on Raw was Vince has the urn or something like that or an ultimatum that if Taker doesn't do this he can't be (summoned) back to WM ever again.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 3, 2016 18:41:29 GMT -5
Because the item in the lockbox is a vhs tape of vince and taker's romantic getaway from 1995... On Vince's bear skin rug
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Post by arrogantmodel on Mar 4, 2016 3:17:24 GMT -5
I will love it if it's a full on cluster.
I mean, have Edge and Christian and Gangrel have a Brood reunion. Ron comes down as Acolyte Faarooq. JBL gets up from announcing and rips open his shirt to reveal those weird Acolyte symbols on his chest too.
And of course Mideon and the Posse. Just make it Triple H vs. Sting x100.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Mar 4, 2016 5:50:24 GMT -5
Taker don't give a f***. He kicks ass, takes souls, catches bodies. That's what he does. If Vince is really that much of a dillhole that he's willing to put his son in the line of fire, Taker has no problem being the executioner because he doesn't care about anybody involved. He's become the hangman of WWE. He doesn't care what you did, he just wants to be the one to end you. At least, that's how I make sense of it. I understand your logic, doesn't make any sense for Taker's character though IMO Why suddenly get involved in the Authority's shenanigans? Why go against Shane, who he has no history against in the past 14 years? Why help Vince, who he didn't deal with in the past 12 years? Total BS, and they need to salvage this with Cena taking Shane's spot
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Post by WWEedy on Mar 4, 2016 6:05:14 GMT -5
Has anyone asking this question in general watched the product for an extended period of time or looked back on wrestling history? Vince McMahon is the boss and wrestlers are contracted to wrestle when they're booked against who they're booked against. It's what's happened every other time a match occurs whether those involved are willing or not so why should it change now? Vince booked the match, Undertaker does his job like he has done every time before just like every other wrestler. It's not a massive gap in logic. It's also not a massive gap in logic if you know the Undertaker in kayfabe anyway, eternal company man who puts those who stand against the status quo of the WWE to death, killing JR for disrespecting McMahon and the WWE, Corporate Ministry shenanigans kidnapping Steph and torturing the other McMahons all for Vince, was Teddy Long's go to guy to put disrespectful heels in their place, WWE dedicated a lot of their WM branding to him making him the poster boy of the event and pretty much dedicated this past Survivor Series to him, Undertaker and The Authority are one in the same and always have been, they just have different ways of protecting and controlling WWE. This question needs to be put to rest here and elsewhere all over the internet, it makes sense, you might not like the match but it makes sense. Taker don't give a f***. He kicks ass, takes souls, catches bodies. That's what he does. If Vince is really that much of a dillhole that he's willing to put his son in the line of fire, Taker has no problem being the executioner because he doesn't care about anybody involved. He's become the hangman of WWE. He doesn't care what you did, he just wants to be the one to end you. At least, that's how I make sense of it. I understand your logic, doesn't make any sense for Taker's character though IMO Why suddenly get involved in the Authority's shenanigans? Why go against Shane, who he has no history against in the past 14 years? Why help Vince, who he didn't deal with in the past 12 years? Total BS, and they need to salvage this with Cena taking Shane's spot 1) He didn't suddenly get involved, he was made involved by the owner of the whole company. 2) Because he was booked to like every other wrestler who's in a match ever. 3) He's helping Vince because he's in a match and that's just who's side he happens to be booked on. He's their horse in the race. Also while he's not dealt with McMahon in the past 12 years he has certainly been known to be a "WWE Guy" and has proven he'll f*** anyone up who stands against the WWE status quo before. It's logical based on character history. I just, as I said I can get not liking the match but the logic isn't really what's at fault here.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 4, 2016 6:18:49 GMT -5
Taker don't give a f***. He kicks ass, takes souls, catches bodies. That's what he does. If Vince is really that much of a dillhole that he's willing to put his son in the line of fire, Taker has no problem being the executioner because he doesn't care about anybody involved. He's become the hangman of WWE. He doesn't care what you did, he just wants to be the one to end you. At least, that's how I make sense of it. I understand your logic, doesn't make any sense for Taker's character though IMO Why suddenly get involved in the Authority's shenanigans? Why go against Shane, who he has no history against in the past 14 years? Why help Vince, who he didn't deal with in the past 12 years? Total BS, and they need to salvage this with Cena taking Shane's spot Well what would you expect one of the most beloved legends and biggest badasses ever to do? Raise a single question when the corrupt management want to use him as a tool? That would be LUDICROUS I tells ya!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 6:23:31 GMT -5
I understand your logic, doesn't make any sense for Taker's character though IMO Why suddenly get involved in the Authority's shenanigans? Why go against Shane, who he has no history against in the past 14 years? Why help Vince, who he didn't deal with in the past 12 years? Total BS, and they need to salvage this with Cena taking Shane's spot Well what would you expect one of the most beloved legends and biggest badasses ever to do? Raise a single question when the corrupt management want to use him as a tool? That would be LUDICROUS I tells ya! Keep in mind this is the same beloved legend who actively helped the corrupt management a few months ago by getting Lesnar DQed against Rollins. Had personal reasons for that, but he clearly has no issue with assisting them. And why would he? The Authority's not done anything to him. If anything they seem to be eager to give him anything he wants.
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