Futureraven: Beelzebruv
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 4, 2016 6:47:31 GMT -5
Well what would you expect one of the most beloved legends and biggest badasses ever to do? Raise a single question when the corrupt management want to use him as a tool? That would be LUDICROUS I tells ya! Keep in mind this is the same beloved legend who actively helped the corrupt management a few months ago by getting Lesnar DQed against Rollins. Had personal reasons for that, but he clearly has no issue with assisting them. And why would he? The Authority's not done anything to him. If anything they seem to be eager to give him anything he wants. As you say, he had personal reasons. The Authority hasn't done anything to him, but just going along with the evil boss's orders is the weakest heel move there is. So the Undertaker is going to be a heel in his home state which is totally ass backwards booking. If he was a face, he'd refuse and likely join Shane's side, even a tweener or a badass heel would ask "what's in it for me?" Or have some kind of motivation. Right now, he's just Orton/Rollins/Sheamus with a hat.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Mar 4, 2016 8:16:40 GMT -5
Keep in mind this is the same beloved legend who actively helped the corrupt management a few months ago by getting Lesnar DQed against Rollins. Had personal reasons for that, but he clearly has no issue with assisting them. And why would he? The Authority's not done anything to him. If anything they seem to be eager to give him anything he wants. As you say, he had personal reasons. The Authority hasn't done anything to him, but just going along with the evil boss's orders is the weakest heel move there is. So the Undertaker is going to be a heel in his home state which is totally ass backwards booking. If he was a face, he'd refuse and likely join Shane's side, even a tweener or a badass heel would ask "what's in it for me?" Or have some kind of motivation. Right now, he's just Orton/Rollins/Sheamus with a hat. This guy gets it Now I'm not the one to advocate overanalyzing booking, but in this case, in such an important match, this reeks of a Vince (maybe Stephanie and HHH too) desperation move to stir up a bit of controversy and, AGAIN, being punished for not creating big new stars
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Post by eJm on Mar 4, 2016 9:42:35 GMT -5
I think for me, it just feels like so slap dash and little going for it that it makes the whole thing seem lazy and cynical. Like it's obvious they're desperate for anything to sell out at Dallas.
I mean, it's not like the Attitude Era had these epic storylines that were Game of Thrones worthy but things were at least consistent with the characters they were setting up. Nobody just did stuff because they were asked to, there had to be something for them to get out of it.
At the very least, they would have a 'Winner gets to take on The Undertaker at WrestleMania' match to make it seem like a big deal. I mean, you can't do that because the streak is over, but it would at least be a progressional build.
This time, Vince just said 'Hey, I didn't tell 'Taker this was happening but I booked him in a match against you, Shane' and Taker just takes it on the chin because he just does. He didn't even at least try and ask for something on his end, like part ownership of Raw or immunity for a year or something.
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Post by saintpat on Mar 4, 2016 15:06:55 GMT -5
I just don't remember any of this really being an issue before.
When has Undertaker needed a reason to fight at WM? Did he refuse to fight who Vince/WWE booked him to at some time in the past and I missed it, so now we're supposed to wonder why he would take a match against whoever VKM tells him he's wrestling?
And as for the face/heel thing, I seem to remember Taker-HBK twice and not a peep on this subject. And some others.
To me, Taker would need a reason NOT to take a match at WM against whoever WWE booked him against. For him to accept a match is exactly what he's been doing for a couple of decades.
And as someone pointed out, Taker was the one who wrestled like a heel vs. Lesnar with the low blows and such. No one seemed to question that.He's above heel or face. He's the Undertaker.
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Post by Fade on Mar 4, 2016 15:19:59 GMT -5
I just don't remember any of this really being an issue before. When has Undertaker needed a reason to fight at WM? Did he refuse to fight who Vince/WWE booked him to at some time in the past and I missed it, so now we're supposed to wonder why he would take a match against whoever VKM tells him he's wrestling? And as for the face/heel thing, I seem to remember Taker-HBK twice and not a peep on this subject. And some others. To me, Taker would need a reason NOT to take a match at WM against whoever WWE booked him against. For him to accept a match is exactly what he's been doing for a couple of decades. And as someone pointed out, Taker was the one who wrestled like a heel vs. Lesnar with the low blows and such. No one seemed to question that.He's above heel or face. He's the Undertaker. Yep. Some others in the theead have struck the same chord, but maaaaan are people over analyzing this.
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Post by saintpat on Mar 4, 2016 15:26:00 GMT -5
Remember Paul Heyman's "the 1 in 21-1" promo? (OK, there are two 1s, but I digress.)
Didn't Paul tell us all how VKM left WM30 -- he LEFT WRESTLEMANIA -- to accompany Taker to the hospital after the concussion in his loss to Brock?
Sounds to me like Taker and Vince are pretty tight, they have mutual respect, they've been in this biz together for years. Vince has made him a WM legend, he's paid him tons of money, he pushed Taker's wife as the top diva, he gives him time off so he doesn't have to wrestle a full schedule.
As noted, Vince dedicated SS and built it completely around the guy.
So, given all that, and given the fact that many of Undertaker's feuds in the last many years haven't been motivated by any kind of personal grudge or anything like that, why WOULDN'T he take this match?
Beyond all that, as noted by another poster, it's business -- if VKM tells someone on the roster that they're wrestling so-and-so at WM and they say no, he can simply say, 'OK, no match for you' and they lose their biggest payday of the year.
Taker NOT taking this match is what would need to be explained.
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Post by Viking Hall on Mar 4, 2016 16:05:59 GMT -5
I will love it if it's a full on cluster. I mean, have Edge and Christian and Gangrel have a Brood reunion. Ron comes down as Acolyte Faarooq. JBL gets up from announcing and rips open his shirt to reveal those weird Acolyte symbols on his chest too. And of course Mideon and the Posse. Just make it Triple H vs. Sting x100. Yes, I want this. Chuck in a Kane and Undertaker interaction, the Urn making an appearance from somewhere and a Paul Bearer ghost hologram and it will be remembered forever. Oh, and while we're at it, give me Shane getting hung from a Cell to finish up. The most full on, campy match of all time. Give us that and no one will give a shit what condition Taker and Shane are in, or what they can and can't do anymore.
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Post by mysterydriver on Mar 4, 2016 16:11:46 GMT -5
Maybe he just wants to pad his stats?
22-1 is an amazing record...but 23-1 looks that much better. Get himself another piece of easy cake next year and he's got 24-1. Who wouldn't want to retire with a 96% win streak on the biggest show of them all?
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Post by sonofblaine on Mar 4, 2016 16:20:52 GMT -5
Kayfabe, I see it as Taker being this entity who'll always do a Mania match, either of his own choosing, or if he doesn't have a feud, whoever he's booked against. His "Blood on your hands" promo on Monday was basically "You could book me against anyone, you booked Shane. I'm going to do what I do with no remorse, it's your problem."
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Post by Yacht Persona on Mar 4, 2016 21:24:29 GMT -5
Because Vince is still the Higher Power--or Hower Power as 'Taker likes to put it.
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Post by saintpat on Mar 5, 2016 22:34:01 GMT -5
Keep in mind this is the same beloved legend who actively helped the corrupt management a few months ago by getting Lesnar DQed against Rollins. Had personal reasons for that, but he clearly has no issue with assisting them. And why would he? The Authority's not done anything to him. If anything they seem to be eager to give him anything he wants. So the Undertaker is going to be a heel in his home state which is totally ass backwards booking. To me, this is a really weak viewpoint. In what way is the Undertaker character associated with Texas? He's billed as being from Death Valley ... Last I looked, that's in California. Yes, Mark Calaway is from Houston and lives in Austin, but that's not in any way part of the character as portrayed for decades. It's not like he wears a cowboy hat and boots and rides a horse to the ring. It has NOTHING to do with who the Undertaker is. We're not talking about Bret Hart in Canada or even Ric Flair in Charlotte (not where he was from, but he was associated with it and is a longtime resident and it was his wrestling home base, but he played the heel there probably more than he played the babyface). I don't think Taker is more beloved in Texas than he is anywhere else. He's above babyface and heel. I remember really no issues when he was doing heel things like low-blowing Brock. But with most any other character, we'd call that a heel turn, but with Taker he's beyond such alignments, he's a force of nature.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 5, 2016 22:36:02 GMT -5
He gets to punch a McMahon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 1:43:04 GMT -5
If this match actually happens, I hope there's a spot where Taker kicks Shane in the dick repeatedly and Shane nosells it, then reveals some sort of oversized novelty protective cup.
Then while showing it, Taker kicks him in his now unprotected dick and Shane oversells it dramatically.
This is wrestling.
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Post by darkjourney on Mar 6, 2016 1:45:36 GMT -5
I think a better question is why would Mark Callaway agree to the match with a Mcmahon in general at Mania? The guy has plenty of stroke and only has 1-2 Mania's left (If this isn't his last one) and you want to spend it wrestling a gray haired Shane Mcmahon (who can't even make a punch look good ) and hasn't wrestled a match in over a decade? And Taker has to actually SELL for Shane? WTF.. Gimme a break All the more reason to boycott the Mcmahons and their ego-trip. WWE has turned into the Mcmahon reality show again. This same shit was going on 16 years ago and its STILL going on I have quit watching until I finally see the WRESTLERS get the TV time and push and not the Mcmahons for their own selfish bullshit gratification. It also bewilders why people continue to watch with the same Mcmahon ego segments going on and hogging up all the TV time when they have been doing the same exact thing for over a decade.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 2:46:13 GMT -5
I think it's some weird thing he sees himself as The Gatekeeper and wants to see how far someone is willing to go to inherit the company even with impossible odds. Plus he doesn't trust Shane due to past history and he's a McMahon so he wants to see if he's worthy and isn't all talk?
That's all I got
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Mar 6, 2016 3:47:15 GMT -5
Vince: It's either this or Braun Strowman!
Undertaker: ...Fine. But no crappy finishes.
Vince: I promise nothing.
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Post by schma on Mar 6, 2016 4:22:12 GMT -5
Shane is pretty clearly the face in this. Vince has been full heel anytime he appears with the Authority, there was even a storyline where people banded together and got rid of the authority. Now Shane rides in and gets a match that would put him in control, ousting the authority. That would make him the face. Undertaker has zero reason to say no to Vince since he's Undertaker's boss and has basically told Vince that he's not going to hold back with Shane just because he's the boss's son. This storyline is easy to grasp. It just seems undercooked and really doesn't have much going for it apart from the potential for the authority to be ousted. That said, they do have a special before WM so maybe something happens there to switch this up. They've still got a month to improve this match.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 6, 2016 8:22:59 GMT -5
There should never be a possibility for your audience to be confused about who the face and heel is in a match. If they're not even going to establish why Undertaker's wrestling for Vince, they should've at least given a reason for 'Taker to care about the match at all. It's shitty storytelling.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Mar 6, 2016 9:10:23 GMT -5
Because Shane's done it now. He's gone and made a big mistake and Taker can't allow him to just walk away. Shane needs to turn around and face the piper he's gonna pay because the end is at Wrestlemania. It's gonna be his judgment day.
TL;DR: Shane's gonna pay and Taker's always kicking asshole's asses.
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Post by Captain2 on Mar 6, 2016 10:30:26 GMT -5
Because Shane's done it now. He's gone and made a big mistake and Taker can't allow him to just walk away. Shane needs to turn around and face the piper he's gonna pay because the end is at Wrestlemania. It's gonna be his judgment day. TL;DR: Shane's gonna pay and Taker's always kicking asshole's asses. But a cheap shot, that's the way that Shane plays the game. Taker'll be blind sided and things are never gonna be the same.
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