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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Mar 8, 2016 0:22:33 GMT -5
Majority of people still haven't seen this feud, though. I only occasionally watch NXT, so I saw it, but they had to cut it short due to Zayn's injury. This gives them the proper platform to take it to the next level, so I'm excited to see it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 0:28:05 GMT -5
I have no problem with them feuding again as long as it's done right and they have ample time with it. I wouldn't mind them feuding all the way into Summerslam personally.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 8, 2016 0:35:14 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with Zayn vs Owens at Mania. Anyone complaining or making excuses is trying too hard.
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Post by captainhindsite on Mar 8, 2016 0:35:25 GMT -5
IMO sami having two huge matches in a weekend is going to nothing but establish him as there next big face. He goes into takeover and has a great passing of the nxt torch match with balor. Then at mania they can play up the fact that this is his second match and if he loses then there is a legit reason for the feud to continue. I know some people are worried that he will get injured but as far as I know he is not very injury prone. He also hasn't wrestled all that much since his come back its not like he is having slobber knockers every week on nxt. The takeover match isn't a death match either its going to be a really good competitive face vs face 1 on 1 He is a professional who is used to wrestling more than once a week. He has a chance at his dream no way will the fact that its two matches stop him. Some of the best matches I have ever seen have been during mutli match tournaments. One reason im excited for the cruiserweight tourney. Yea it would suck if they promote this match and tv time to this feud and he gets hurt at takeover but I feel like the risk is a lot smaller than the reward. Zayn pulls off both of these matches you have a money making face for years to come he gets hurt and can't make mania then Owens goes against someone else and you lose a couple bucks from the wasted time. Also dont see them getting tons of tv time and a lot of the hype will be from there past which they already have the footage. One reason I think we are getting sami Owens and not Owens aj is because the Owens sami feud has already been set and won't need tons of tv time and promotion for people to want to see it .
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 8, 2016 0:39:14 GMT -5
I'm excited for it. They have amazing chemistry, and their story that began on NXT never got resolved which means they'll have to reference a bunch of NXT stuff on RAW. That creates exposure for NXT and could potentially draw more people to the show. And again, their chemistry is so good that it guarantees we're going to get some great TV and a great wrestling match. Owens has been spinning his wheels on the main roster, and this is exactly what he needs to fire back up.
I don't know who is calling the shots on this WrestleMania booking, but it's a breath of fresh air. Triple H vs. Reigns, Ambrose vs. Lesnar, Styles vs. Jericho, Owens vs. Zayn, Charlotte vs. Becky vs. Sasha. We're getting a WrestleMania where most of the matches revolve around heated rivalries and aren't just thrown together clusterf***s. This is shaping up to be a really good show.
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Post by hargh on Mar 8, 2016 2:08:32 GMT -5
We could have had Owens face Big Show instead guys.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 8, 2016 2:20:43 GMT -5
We could have had Owens face Big Show instead guys. I don't want Owens/Big Show one on one either. I just wanted the IC Champ to keep the Creative-Has -Nothing-For-You-But-You're-Too-Big-To-Leave-Off-the-Card-types busy so they aren't taking up too many spots in the Battle Royal
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Post by 魔界5号 on Mar 8, 2016 2:28:14 GMT -5
Their rivalry in ROH, PWG and now NXT is legendary. I could watch them wrestle each other all day every day and never get tired honestly. I'm super excited for Mania now.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 8, 2016 2:28:55 GMT -5
We could have had Owens face Big Show instead guys. I don't want Owens/Big Show one on one either. I just wanted the IC Champ to keep the Creative-Has -Nothing-For-You-But-You're-Too-Big-To-Leave-Off-the-Card-types busy so they aren't taking up too many spots in the Battle Royal Even with how many injuries there are, there aren't really "spots" in the Battle Royal, there's just the line above which WWE will put someone into a nothing match to get them on the card. If almost nobody has meaningfully shifted up the card from the very bottom with how thin the talent was, then WWE isn't going to start now, so there's no point in throwing the IC title onto afterthough autopilot every year and remove the chance to have actual feuds for it just on the vain hope that Vince remembers that The Ascension can serve as warm bodies.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 8, 2016 2:46:26 GMT -5
I don't want Owens/Big Show one on one either. I just wanted the IC Champ to keep the Creative-Has -Nothing-For-You-But-You're-Too-Big-To-Leave-Off-the-Card-types busy so they aren't taking up too many spots in the Battle Royal Even with how many injuries there are, there aren't really "spots" in the Battle Royal, there's just the line above which WWE will put someone into a nothing match to get them on the card. If almost nobody has meaningfully shifted up the card from the very bottom with how thin the talent was, then WWE isn't going to start now, so there's no point in throwing the IC title onto afterthough autopilot every year and remove the chance to have actual feuds for it just on the vain hope that Vince remembers that The Ascension can serve as warm bodies. Don't get me wrong. Like I said, I still think Zayn deserves to be on the Mania card. But I'd also like to see the likes of The Local Men (since they "have" to be on the card), League of Nations, Ryback, Ziggler, Miz,etc. (plus the looming possibility of Cena/Orton being rushed back early) have actual matches as well rather than be relegated to the ARMBAR. Personally I actually agree that WrestleMania should only feature actual feuds, but that's not how WWE works. And if WWE is going to do a "get everyone on the card" thing, then they should make the effort to get everyone on and not have it be a "everyone except you guys" because that's just not a good look, imo.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 8, 2016 2:56:46 GMT -5
We could have had Owens face Big Show instead guys. I don't want Owens/Big Show one on one either. I just wanted the IC Champ to keep the Creative-Has -Nothing-For-You-But-You're-Too-Big-To-Leave-Off-the-Card-types busy so they aren't taking up too many spots in the Battle Royal Why would you want the Intercontinental Title involved in some meaningless clusterf*** match instead of being defended in an actual rivalry? That's exactly how it got the crummy reputation in the first place. This is something it desperately needs. Also, what spots are being taken up in the battle royal? Low card guys like Tyler Breeze and the Social Outcasts will almost certainly be in it, so I'm not sure whose spot guys like Ziggler would be taking.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Mar 8, 2016 2:58:34 GMT -5
I don't want Owens/Big Show one on one either. I just wanted the IC Champ to keep the Creative-Has -Nothing-For-You-But-You're-Too-Big-To-Leave-Off-the-Card-types busy so they aren't taking up too many spots in the Battle Royal Why would you want the Intercontinental Title involved in some meaningless clusterf*** match instead of being defended in an actual rivalry? That's exactly how it got the crummy reputation in the first place. This is something it desperately needs. Also, what spots are being taken up in the battle royal? Low card guys like Tyler Breeze and the Social Outcasts will almost certainly be in it, so I'm not sure whose spot guys like Ziggler would be taking. Because he'd rather more people be booked in a clusterf*** instead of having a well booked 1v1 match.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 8, 2016 3:07:46 GMT -5
Why would you want the Intercontinental Title involved in some meaningless clusterf*** match instead of being defended in an actual rivalry? That's exactly how it got the crummy reputation in the first place. This is something it desperately needs. Also, what spots are being taken up in the battle royal? Low card guys like Tyler Breeze and the Social Outcasts will almost certainly be in it, so I'm not sure whose spot guys like Ziggler would be taking. Because he'd rather more people be booked in a clusterf*** instead of having a well booked 1v1 match. To be fair, I don't trust WWE to book Owens/Zayn well in only three weeks and I feel they deserved a longer and bigger build. Zayn should've made his return from injury by going straight after Owens rather than screwing around on NXT.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 8, 2016 3:07:57 GMT -5
The issue is midcarders don't get mic time. Anyone who hasn't seen NXT is then just baffled.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 8, 2016 3:09:15 GMT -5
Even with how many injuries there are, there aren't really "spots" in the Battle Royal, there's just the line above which WWE will put someone into a nothing match to get them on the card. If almost nobody has meaningfully shifted up the card from the very bottom with how thin the talent was, then WWE isn't going to start now, so there's no point in throwing the IC title onto afterthough autopilot every year and remove the chance to have actual feuds for it just on the vain hope that Vince remembers that The Ascension can serve as warm bodies. Don't get me wrong. Like I said, I still think Zayn deserves to be on the Mania card. But I'd also like to see the likes of The Local Men (since they "have" to be on the card), League of Nations, Ryback, Ziggler, Miz,etc. (plus the looming possibility of Cena/Orton being rushed back early) have actual matches as well rather than be relegated to the ARMBAR. Personally I actually agree that WrestleMania should only feature actual feuds, but that's not how WWE works. And if WWE is going to do a "get everyone on the card" thing, then they should make the effort to get everyone on and not have it be a "everyone except you guys" because that's just not a good look, imo. But with how many people are out right now, it's not a thing where they're going to have so many people to find something for that they'll have to cut people from the battle royal. The expectation that they should do another unfocused clusterf*** match for the IC title is an expectation that sets kind of a crap precedent. One undercard "get everyone there" match is more than enough for me; they could always do something like not double book guys for both pre-show matches like they did last year. That would get more faces onto the show without having to shoehorn something into what would come off so much better as a one-on-one story. WWE needs to seriously figure out its time management at Mania and stop giving all the space to part-timers, but at the same time the solution to that isn't to exacerbate the problem by cramming an army of token inclusions onto the main card where they don't fit just for the sake of seeing Los Matadores up the bodycount of a nothing match instead of Ziggler and Miz.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Mar 8, 2016 4:10:59 GMT -5
Compelling longterm storyline with tons of heat = repetitive
Makes sense...
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Post by lionelp on Mar 8, 2016 6:21:24 GMT -5
You're thinking about this in your own perspective, and not that of 90% of WWE's audience.
The majority have never seen them interact other than a spot in the Rumble, and now on RAW.
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Mar 8, 2016 6:37:31 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I love that the Owens/Zayn feud is continuing, and am hyped that it looks like it might get projected onto the grandest stage of the business. I love that WWE was savvy enough to pull the trigger on it in a city like Chicago that would give it a proper reaction. My only nitpick with last night's moment was that damn "hockey fight" spot where they stand there in a lock-up punching each other.
Every time I see Zayn and Owens do it (they also did it at the Rumble I believe), it gives me flash backs to that gif that floats around here of Matt Morgan and someone else (Crimson?) using the same spot and how silly it looks. I get that maybe it might be a call back to their Canadian roots, or might be intended to show their intensity by just wanting to pummel each other, but strictly as a visual, it looks lazy and just kills the momentum for me. It was, "Here comes Zayn running down to the ring! He's gunning for Owens! Here they go and--oh wait, they're standing there hitting each other."
Just feels undynamic to me. True it was literally all of two seconds, and there was more to the brawl that got the crowd going, but just the detail of "two heated rivals run at each other, stop in their tracks to punch each other" seemed like an awkward way to initiate the brawl. Maybe once they're getting pulled apart by refs, and they just want to keep pummeling each other, a spot like that would work better. I guess I just wanted something more cathartic to start.
However, that was truly just a nitpick, and I am really excited for the feud to play out again.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 8, 2016 7:09:49 GMT -5
The explanations for why we shouldn't have Zayn vs Owens are ridiculous.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Mar 8, 2016 7:15:27 GMT -5
I hate that Sami got injured during his match with Cena. But it is sweet irony that Owens then debuted and beat Cena. Now having Cena ultimately win that feud is bullocks but to have that add to the legend of Owens/Zayn is perfect.
Eventually they'll have a reason to team up and hopefully they'll be just as badass as a team until they spilt up again.
I want to see them Main Event Wrestlemania for the WWE title so we can get an epic video package.
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