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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 13, 2016 0:21:40 GMT -5
Good Match, Shitty Finish, will be about the consensus for it Shitty finish as in "A legitimately bad finish" or "The guy I like didn't win"? It's seemingly one and the same to many of you, so you may have to be specific. Yeah, for what it's worth, I agree. And I definitely think it's the latter. Also, I thought it was an appreciation thread. Why are people (the same people--or person) being negative/complaining in at least two other threads about Roadblock and invading the pleased people's thread here? I think the finish was fine, worthy of the story that needed to be told. I actually liked the finish more than the action in most of the match. (And for the record, I despise HHH. So, ya know, it's a compliment to booking in a situation where there was one obvious choice as the winner.) EDIT: Actually the same Eeyore invaded another Appreciation thread for Roadblock elsewhere, not just a general Roadblock comment thread.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Mar 13, 2016 0:36:53 GMT -5
I loved it, and I actually liked the finish too. Ambrose had no choice but to basically run into a Pedigree because otherwise he would've been counted out. The whole match seemed designed to say, the stars conspired to give Hunter every lucky break in the world. And if just one of those breaks hadn't gone his way, Dean Ambrose would now be Champ. Thought it was really well laid out personally. Yep. The psychology told an amazing story; Ambrose out-wrestled, outclassed, and basically outdid Triple H in basically every way. The only advantage he had was experience. He went from underestimating Dean's "lunacy" to trying to capitalizing on his zeal. They made it very clear that it was Dean's match to win, and without a shadow of a doubt, you were looking at a future world champion out there, and the "14 time World Heavyweight Champion" just got lucky.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 13, 2016 1:27:49 GMT -5
Paint by numbers match, with a Dusty finish and Triple H winning with Pedigree. Huge yawn.
Now I'm supposed to believe Lesnar is gonna have a challenge with Ambrose after a fairly soft table bump and a Pedigree took him out?
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Post by Raskovnik on Mar 13, 2016 1:38:00 GMT -5
I get the story that they were trying to tell in that match, and the potential for something good is there, sure, but I have zero faith in WWE to follow up on anything. They're notoriously awful at it. I can't reasonably give them the benefit of the doubt. They've lucked into nearly every good storyline and moment they've had this decade, and bungled countless more, so I'd be floored if they somehow turn it around now. I think that's fair. I get that this is an appreciation thread but it seems like it'd be redundant for me to make a completely different thread to discuss it more critically, nor do I think I'm being particularly abrasive or going after people who enjoyed it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 1:46:13 GMT -5
Someone who was there live tonight said this about the match.
Ambrose was the most over guy, Ambrose got a standing ovation after it was over and "Chant Guy" (a guy who was chanting "Chris Benoit" all night) even stopped during the match.
Damn.
Also the ref tonight was the same ref who DQ'd Ambrose in that Rollins title match during EC last year.
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Post by 111111 on Mar 13, 2016 2:01:48 GMT -5
A few hours later and I'm still buzzing about this match and Dean Ambrose. That hasn't happened in forever.
They started to truely make Ambrose a star tonight and I think the match with Brock at mania is going to do him wonders. He's going to get the spot meant for Roman eventually mark my words. It may take a while and alot of stuborness but it will happen. He's too versatile, over and good for it not to happen.
They've been pushing him for a while to varying success (I mean he was main eventing ppvs in 2014 and though losing they always went out their way to try and protect him).
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Mar 13, 2016 2:03:54 GMT -5
Ambrose isn't over as a babyface, Triple H was getting cheered!
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Post by andrew8798 on Mar 13, 2016 2:04:59 GMT -5
Ambrose isn't over as a babyface, Triple H was getting cheered! The hit in effect!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 2:08:19 GMT -5
Ambrose isn't over as a babyface, Triple H was getting cheered! I really hope the guy who undoubtedly will say that also says Zayn is a heel since the crowd was booing him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 2:08:51 GMT -5
So...if your foot is under the ropes during a pin, that counts against you in kayfabe rules? Nobody seems to be complaining about this, so it must be a thing, but I've been watching wrestling for a little while and never heard of it!
Is it one of those rare things that comes up once a decade like the 20 minute time limit?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 2:11:04 GMT -5
So...if your foot is under the ropes during a pin, that counts against you in kayfabe rules? Nobody seems to be complaining about this, so it must be a thing, but I've been watching wrestling for a little while and never heard of it! Is it one of those rare things that comes up once a decade like the 20 minute time limit? I really hope they play off of this in the future, I don't know say the ref screwed up or Trips paid the ref off. That same ref is the one who reffed the Ambrose/Rollins EC match where it was a DQ.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 13, 2016 2:11:35 GMT -5
So...if your foot is under the ropes during a pin, that counts against you in kayfabe rules? Nobody seems to be complaining about this, so it must be a thing, but I've been watching wrestling for a little while and never heard of it! Is it one of those rare things that comes up once a decade like the 20 minute time limit? I think it's probably part of the same rule as "if the guy being pinned gets his legs under the ropes, it counts as rope break".
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Post by 111111 on Mar 13, 2016 2:16:26 GMT -5
So...if your foot is under the ropes during a pin, that counts against you in kayfabe rules? Nobody seems to be complaining about this, so it must be a thing, but I've been watching wrestling for a little while and never heard of it! Is it one of those rare things that comes up once a decade like the 20 minute time limit? I think it's probably part of the same rule as "if the guy being pinned gets his legs under the ropes, it counts as rope break". Which I guess the logic behind is that pinfalls have to take place in the ring and if either guy has their feet under the ropes then technically part of them is out of the ring.
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Post by Clawley Race on Mar 13, 2016 2:25:33 GMT -5
As I posted in the Roadblock thread, I enjoyed the match a lot, but had a couple of gripes.
- Bad announcing in the end. Go figure. When the ref saw Ambrose's foot yet immediately didn't see H's feet on the ropes, someone should have suggested it was because he's the boss. Cole also clamoring on about how Ambrose actually pinned him and now he knows should have been saved for after the match. I get what they were attempting, but it just sounded like them now admitting HHH was winning.
- Ambrose should have kicked out of the first Pedigree. I guess they don't want someone kicking out of the ass kicker's finisher 3 weeks before WrestleMania, but the place would have popped big time for it. Heck, you could have it as a tie-in in the Triple H-Reigns match. HHH gives Ambrose 2 more Pedigrees for the finish. Then in Dallas, Triple H does the same thing after Roman kicks out of the Pedigree, but Roman kicks out. It would work perfectly to get a pop from crowd...if that was a thing that was going to happen...
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Mar 13, 2016 3:14:37 GMT -5
Triple H is still great in the ring. I have no qualms with him wrestling for the next few years so long as he has an end goal of putting someone over. Unfortunately, it was Ambrose that had to be the sacrificial lamb to Reigns and not vice-versa.
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Post by britishbulldog on Mar 13, 2016 4:01:59 GMT -5
Triple H is still great in the ring. I have no qualms with him wrestling for the next few years so long as he has an end goal of putting someone over. Unfortunately, it was Ambrose that had to be the sacrificial lamb to Reigns and not vice-versa. He may not have gotten pinned but it's the first time I bought Ambrose as a top guy. For me he helped make Ambrose. If creative doesn't follow up that's not hhh fault
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Mar 13, 2016 7:50:22 GMT -5
Honestly with how much WWE's in, "F*** sense, we're doing what we want!" mode I am confident at SummerSlam Brock's losing to Strowman. I'm thinking Wyatt and Brock was pushed back to Summerslam with the change to Ambrose for Wrestlemania. They'll probably write off Brock by being attacked viciously by the Wyatts at the RAW after WM. It's possible I suppose that they go with Strowman vs. Brock, but I'm sure whether that happens or not, Ambrose will have to job to Strowman as well. Well Ambrose was beat by the Pedigree, but has consistently gotten up asking for more from the F5. Thus Pedigree > F5 and HHH > Brock. But of course we already knew HHH > Brock since Brock had to cheat to win their rubber match. Authority HHH is the toughest badass in history, Streak Brock is just a B+ Player.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 13, 2016 10:02:45 GMT -5
So...if your foot is under the ropes during a pin, that counts against you in kayfabe rules? Nobody seems to be complaining about this, so it must be a thing, but I've been watching wrestling for a little while and never heard of it! Is it one of those rare things that comes up once a decade like the 20 minute time limit? It's always been a thing. For a long time. It's also a staple of most video games. If you're not in the ring (that is, under a rope), you cannot legally pin your opponent. If you're in a submission hold, you don't even have touch the rope. Just get a hand or foot under it. Likewise, you have to render your opponent helpless enough to put them down for the count away from the ropes. It's always been a rule.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Mar 13, 2016 10:06:55 GMT -5
Ambrose's job was to make Triple H look legit so his match with Roman doesn't look so one-sided in Reigns' favor. The problem is that the fans wished Roman and Dean were in the opposite situations. And now Ambrose gets to 'look good in defeat' to Brock at Wrestlemania. The one guy on the roster who can pile up L's and not lose any of his momentum with the fans. I actually think that Ambrose might win at mania, they are starting to finally realize how good Ambrose is, so I genuinely think he could.
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Mar 13, 2016 10:31:26 GMT -5
Only thing that bugged me was JBL's insistence that Trips knew Ambrose was under the ropes, that's why he didn't kick.
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