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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 31, 2016 9:46:20 GMT -5
I can't say I'm surprised that Triple H had no problem Cena was pushed and booked as a main eventer, it's the same push Hunter received, his mentor Shawn, the same one Orton and Sheamus received and the one Roman is getting now. Being pushed in spite of the audience is all he knows and he believes it works, because it did for him, ignoring of course that he had the advantage of riding the coattails of Austin, Rock and Foley and when it came his turn to elevate others as they had done, he pulled up that ladder to make sure he stayed on the level above everyone else as long as he could.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 31, 2016 9:57:49 GMT -5
Everyone in this company needs to drop the bullshit. Anyone who looks can disprove any of it their garbage. It's worse than any company I've ever seen.
Just. Stop. Lying.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 31, 2016 10:32:40 GMT -5
It's a morality play. You're SUPPOSED to be able to have good be cheered and evil booed.
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Post by Aboutreika18 on Mar 31, 2016 10:36:35 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad that you said something considering that you only added to the boos when you feuded with dude in 2006 by letting everybody know how much this dude sucks as a wrestler, HHH. It's amusing how little gets made of that just because it's Cena on the receiving end. It did nothing to help get Cena over and even now with Reigns we see signs of the same HHH who still doesn't do enough to get the fans booing him and cheering his opponent. Hell, it took a while into the Bryan feud before HHH finally decided to stop flipping between face and heel during shows and just viciously beat the shit out of Bryan at the end of one of the RAWs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 10:38:40 GMT -5
It did nothing to help get Cena over and even now with Reigns we see signs of the same HHH who still doesn't do enough to get the fans booing him and cheering his opponent. Really right now I don't know what else Triple H could be doing. He's taken beatings from Reigns repeatedly to the point he looks like a joke of a threat to him and on a weekly basis, including twice in one night, he's been giving lengthy speeches about how the crowd should go home and drink some Drano.
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Mar 31, 2016 10:40:40 GMT -5
Everyone in this company needs to drop the bullshit. Anyone who looks can disprove any of it their garbage. It's worse than any company I've ever seen. Just. Stop. Lying. Not lying. WORKING. And we're dumb marks. And we're gonna keep buying tickets and buying the network.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 10:45:20 GMT -5
It did nothing to help get Cena over and even now with Reigns we see signs of the same HHH who still doesn't do enough to get the fans booing him and cheering his opponent. Really right now I don't know what else Triple H could be doing. He's taken beatings from Reigns repeatedly to the point he looks like a joke of a threat to him and on a weekly basis, including twice in one night, he's been giving lengthy speeches about how the crowd should go home and drink some Drano. Yeah, for all the flack we give HHH about burying dudes, he's doing his best to look like a chump right now and its not working. He's trying to get traditional "You're all ugly and your local sports team sucks" heat AND he's going for the "If I keep talking long enough, you'll boo me out of annoyance" heat and neither are working. Of course the problem is that Reigns' character isn't working at all, so its all for naught.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 10:59:35 GMT -5
That explanation won't work with USA when they give you a much lower offer when negotiations roll around again because ratings are down a half million year-over-year. Causing stock prices to drop and leading to more cost-cutting moves and guys being released all because Vince is too stubborn to change with the times. Does this mean they won't be able to renew ADR's 371.3 billion a year contract?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 11:02:26 GMT -5
Didn't he ridicule Kurt Angle for getting cheered over Cena? I guess that mindset changed once it happened to him.
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 31, 2016 11:06:33 GMT -5
It may have been true with Cena but I think the likes of Bayley, Ambrose, American Alpha and more prove that a good hero can get the whole crowd onside. More of the same "The audience is in the door, so they don't matter" mindset that's gonna wind up killing the business down the road. Yep they can get them through the door but things like multiple authority promos and Braun Strowman in the main event mean they won't be in a hurry to buy tickets the next time they're in town.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 31, 2016 11:06:39 GMT -5
Really right now I don't know what else Triple H could be doing. He's taken beatings from Reigns repeatedly to the point he looks like a joke of a threat to him and on a weekly basis, including twice in one night, he's been giving lengthy speeches about how the crowd should go home and drink some Drano. Yeah, for all the flack we give HHH about burying dudes, he's doing his best to look like a chump right now and its not working. He's trying to get traditional "You're all ugly and your local sports team sucks" heat AND he's going for the "If I keep talking long enough, you'll boo me out of annoyance" heat and neither are working. Of course the problem is that Reigns' character isn't working at all, so its all for naught. It's kind of funny too just how painfully obvious it all is. They're keeping Reigns off of lengthy in-ring segments, muting crowds, telling us that we like Reigns, and none of it's working. I can't remember a time when they've tried this hard to get a guy over and the fans aren't accepting it.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Mar 31, 2016 11:09:23 GMT -5
WWE to their paying audience:
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Post by rocnsoc88 on Mar 31, 2016 11:27:13 GMT -5
Also, I'm inclined to call this bullshit with how back when Triple H was said to be running down Jericho and Angle over them failing to get Cena cheered and insisting he could do it no problem. If that's true, that's hilarious. I don't think Cena was ever booed harder than he was against Triple H at Wrestlemania 22. At least at a WWE show, since there was ECW One Night Stand of course.
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Post by rocnsoc88 on Mar 31, 2016 11:32:13 GMT -5
It did nothing to help get Cena over and even now with Reigns we see signs of the same HHH who still doesn't do enough to get the fans booing him and cheering his opponent. Really right now I don't know what else Triple H could be doing. He's taken beatings from Reigns repeatedly to the point he looks like a joke of a threat to him and on a weekly basis, including twice in one night, he's been giving lengthy speeches about how the crowd should go home and drink some Drano. Stopping the crotch chops would help. There's no way at this point those are going to get anything other than a babyface reaction.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 12:09:53 GMT -5
Really right now I don't know what else Triple H could be doing. He's taken beatings from Reigns repeatedly to the point he looks like a joke of a threat to him and on a weekly basis, including twice in one night, he's been giving lengthy speeches about how the crowd should go home and drink some Drano. Stopping the crotch chops would help. There's no way at this point those are going to get anything other than a babyface reaction. That was also while the crowd was already going absolutely crazy for him, so not like it hurt anything.
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Post by darkjourney on Mar 31, 2016 12:13:07 GMT -5
Sounds to me like HHH is just another Mcmahon in denial about the WWE's SHIRINKING fan base. They don't need more people in denial. They need people that will make real changes to get their business/viewership back to where it was in their golden age boom periods
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 12:16:53 GMT -5
Yeah, that Daniel Bryan sure was a crowd-splitter, wasn't he? Jeff Hardy and Daniel Bryan were probably the two most legit over faces they've had in the past 7 years and neither was was booed by a segment of the audience. HHH, with possibly Vince's playing with the puppet strings, is talking out of his ass. What a horrible mentality for any entertainment based company to have. "We already have your money so F you".
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Post by angryfan on Mar 31, 2016 14:43:41 GMT -5
I don't remember that, especially since he pretty actively invited the crowd to cheer him over Cena in the buildup to WM 22, despite being positioned as the heel. I can remember that being the word at the time to the point I'm pretty sure he actually mentioned it in interviews around that period. As for the running down Cena thing, I thiiiink what they were going for in that was trying to play off Triple H's reputation and make it look like Cena was being buried so they'd come around to his side. I think, that whole feud was really damn dumb and even the match I don't think is very good. Bingo. At the time, it was "Angle and Jericho aren't getting any heat on him, no matter what they do, they're just not being good heels and they're too worried about getting over". So the solution was to send Trips, the heat magnet out there to...um...tell the fans that Cena sucked and couldn't wrestle and get cheered for saying it to prove what a heel he was. Or...something. The thing with the quote is, it's patently false. There hare, and have been, white hot babyfaces. Bryan was one of them, but even pre-injury, he was the "almost there" guy. They DIDN'T run with it, not because he wasn't over, not because he wasn't moving merch, but because he wasn't the one they wanted in that top guy role. Ambrose has been getting pretty universal responses, he's pretty damn over, but he's the sidekick to the "top guy", he's 1a or 2 on the depth chart, if that, and it's because they want to fit him into the role that Foley had. They want him to be the "crazy guy" not the "draws money" guy, even though he's doing that draw money thing that the kids are raving about these days. If your outset is "well, we'd love it if everyone loved this, but we'll settle for half, as long as they show up, but since our tickets go on sales months before a show comes to town, we can just say "that thing that wasn't even happenening when you bought your ticket, that's why you're really here, so we're right", then that's a problem. It may not be one righ away, but it will be one eventually.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 31, 2016 14:45:16 GMT -5
If Triple H really felt that way, he could have shown Cena a bit more support than basically saying "this guy sucks, right guys?" during their pathetic feud.
Oh and the exact quote of "this will be the easiest match of my life" just before Mania 22. I know Cena won but it's no way to build a guy up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 14:51:26 GMT -5
That HHH he is go great WWE is gonna be magical land of five star matches and glory be thy baised H.
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