Who Ends The Streak?

[-Lithium-]

I think we all known that Kevin Nash is full of shit when it comes to ending Goldbergs streak and his "Well atleast it wasn't Ludvig Borga like with Tatanka" and "If you're over for not losing then it doesn't count" and "But some people were booing him at the time" claims are all utter horseshit. Shouldn't have been him and it shouldn't have been done that way.

When do you end the streak and who does it?

I'm not sure exactly when, but I think DDP could have done it late 98. It would have made him and Diamond Cutter even more over. Like THAT move is the one that came out of no where and actually ended the streak. Imagine the pop at Halloween Havoc when he reversed it, but even bigger because he would win. DDP and Goldberg would be much bigger stars than they were in the OTL...

...if not him, Steiner. He could have been a real main event guy in late 98/early 99 rather than only becoming one as WCW is closing its doors.

Again, I'm not sure exactly when and who, just what I could think of at the moment, and I just wanted to read yalls opinions.

[Mozenrath]

I'm honestly fine with it having been Nash, though if they were going to go with the interference ending, they really should have done more with that. Instead, the followup was goddamn terrible.

That said, your suggestions of Steiner or DDP are both pretty solid ones.

[Amazing Kitsune]

It wasn't that Nash wasn't the right guy to do it--though DDP would have been better. Nash was really over. The big deal is that the aftermath was absolutely ruined.

[Deleted]

Steiner in 2000 sounds the best. He was getting over as an absolute wrecking machine and was new to the main event scene unlike Nash. Could have put him over like f**k and it would have breathed a fresh breath of air into Goldberg.

[TGM]

People forget just how popular Nash was as Wolfpac leader so there's nothing wrong per se with him ending the streak, but everything that happened afterwards was atrocious.

I think Steiner is the best option, DDP really benefitted from not winning at HH because he was one of the few people who had given Goldberg a legit challenge at that point and looked great in defeat.

[Milkman Norm]

Kevin Nash. Watch the match. Grown men are jumping up and down in joy when he hits the jackknife and pins Goldberg.

[Sephiroth]

Apr 26, 2016 7:37:26 GMT -5 TGM said:

People forget just how popular Nash was as Wolfpac leader so there's nothing wrong per se with him ending the streak, but everything that happened afterwards was atrocious.

I think Steiner is the best option, DDP really benefitted from not winning at HH because he was one of the few people who had given Goldberg a legit challenge at that point and looked great in defeat.

I think it's not just that the follow up was terrible-it was the timing. Goldberg was the hottest thing WCW had at that time, and the ratings were just starting to turn against them. They needed to go all the way with Goldberg instead of cutting him off at that point. They still hasn't done Gokdberg vs Steiner, vs Sting, vs Flair, or even programs with Benoit, Booker T, Eddie Guerrero, or others. The time to end the streak was when it got stale enough it wasn't over anymore and WCW needed a new standard bearer.

[Lupin the Third]

Man, that pop for the Diamond Cutter at HH.

[Reflecto]

As long as you're going to end it around that time anyway...

Hollywood Hogan at the 1/4/99 show instead of the Fingerpoke of Doom.

It was already said before that part of Goldberg beating Hogan to win the title was allegedly "When the time is right, Hogan gets to be the one to end Goldberg's streak" in the first place.

Meanwhile, no matter what happened- the Fingerpoke of Doom is out (and the "beginning of the end for WCW" is gone.) Plus, if you're ending the Streak anyway in 1998-99, building up to "Hollywood Hogan makes a shocking return from his Presidential campaign to challenge Goldberg- which would lead to Goldberg never seeing it coming for the Wolfpack and nWo Hollywood reforming together with the goal of ending Goldberg's streak and taking the title back would at least be a starting point for 1999 television, which is also the right way to transfer Goldberg into actual angles/storylines with a "Goldberg was just screwed by the NWO reforming and he vows revenge on the whole group"...and in the process, clear it for landing for the final, complete dissolution of the NWO as a unit forever to move forward in a way that'd satisfy every WCW fan of "Goldberg systematically destroys the NWO piece by piece on a one-man quest to end the group for good".

[TGM]

Apr 26, 2016 11:01:32 GMT -5 Sephiroth said:

Apr 26, 2016 7:37:26 GMT -5 TGM said:

People forget just how popular Nash was as Wolfpac leader so there's nothing wrong per se with him ending the streak, but everything that happened afterwards was atrocious.

I think Steiner is the best option, DDP really benefitted from not winning at HH because he was one of the few people who had given Goldberg a legit challenge at that point and looked great in defeat.

I think it's not just that the follow up was terrible-it was the timing. Goldberg was the hottest thing WCW had at that time, and the ratings were just starting to turn against them. They needed to go all the way with Goldberg instead of cutting him off at that point. They still hasn't done Gokdberg vs Steiner, vs Sting, vs Flair, or even programs with Benoit, Booker T, Eddie Guerrero, or others. The time to end the streak was when it got stale enough it wasn't over anymore and WCW needed a new standard bearer.

Easier said than done when you've got guys like Hogan and Nash torpedoing things.

[Prince Petty]

Nash's reasoning was that they were building this heel machine for Goldberg to tear down, and losing the streak had to happen to make the threat real. I buy the reasoning completely. It makes sense that the heels have to get the better of the hero, convincingly, before he can defeat them.

Of course, I'm sure Nash appreciated that it made him look great and Goldberg look dumb. And I'm not sure the timing of the angle was right. Then the execution was not very good, and then Goldberg decided to almost cut his arm off.

[Hanzo]

DDP at Halloween Havoc (only downside is no one would have been able to see it end) or have Wrath continue his unbeaten streak and let him end it.

Man, Wrath is one of my favorite wrestlers ever. That guy just had it. He had the look, the ability, a cool move set and a cool finisher. Just him setting up for the Meltdown made the crowd go berserk. Yeah, his mic skills could have used some work, but he didn't need to talk much because he did his talking in the ring. To this day, I think Goldberg vs. Wrath could have been a huge match and made a ton of money.

[chazraps]

Apr 26, 2016 7:37:26 GMT -5 TGM said:

DDP really benefitted from not winning at HH because he was one of the few people who had given Goldberg a legit challenge at that point and looked great in defeat.

This is why I think DDP should have done it sometime in '99. There's SO much money in a DDP rematch after seeing how close he came to beating Goldberg, and being that DDP never held the world title at that point, it would have made for such a perfect first world title victory.

Not only do you have DDP making sure Goldberg looks great in defeat (The veteran who learned so much from their first encounter crafting the plan to be the first guy to beat him) but then you create the program for the wrecking machine heel (who we've designated in this thread as Steiner) winning the belt from Page to establish him as a main event talent, and then you go into Starrcade, the biggest show of the year, with that heel champion who seems unstoppable going against Goldberg.

I disagree with the loss happening at Starrcade '98, I disagree with how they did it, I disagree with the follow-through. Nash's solo feuds never really had definitive ends, and I wouldn't have put the guy surrounded by such vagueness as the World War 3 winner and then immediately winning the belt the next month, especially with how hot Goldberg was.

[thecrusherwi]

Apr 26, 2016 10:48:49 GMT -5 Milkman Norm said:

Kevin Nash. Watch the match. Grown men are jumping up and down in joy when he hits the jackknife and pins Goldberg.

Seriously this. This thread comes up like once a month around here. People should be required to watch that match. The crowd loves Nash going over. And the finish protected the hell out of Goldberg when Nash was over enough to have beaten him clean without it looking ridiculous. You might not like the result, but business wise, there was nothing wrong with it. The Wolfpac was moving more merch than anyone in the business not named Steve Austin. The real sin was turning Nash heel two weeks later. The match is fine. In fact, it gave Goldberg some much needed vulnerability and humanity.

[2coldMack is even more baffled]

Yes, clearly the 40 year old white guy spouting cringy hip-hop lingo that had been played out for five years at that point was the right guy for the job. And Goldberg didn't NEED "vulnerability and humanity". He got over for being an emotionless, unstoppable shit kicker. You got in his way, you got got, and that was all there was to it. And it was OVER. Way more over than "We're in the hizzouse, party people! Bowdy bowdy!"

[mcmahonfan85]

well there was that feud they were building towards Goldberg and Bam Bam Bigelow that ultimately went nowhere, so I say Bigelow

[somsta]

Chris Jericho by count out at Spring Stampede 1999.

[eldandyjamupguy]

Nash, DDP, or Bret. Argument could be made to even end the streak at Havoc 98 man the crowd was ready for Page that night.

The crowd was hot for Nash winning; some make it out like it was Verne booking Greg to win the world title. It's not like Nash was even in the WCW title picture from 1996-1998 or was like a "LOL CENAWINS" deal. He was on the outside of the picture for his entire run at that point because nWo had the belt and he couldn't challenge. I mean Hall challenged for the WCW title before Nash I do believe.

So it was new-ish, but then they did the fingerpoke and all excitement was lost.

no to Scott Steiner. He wasn't ready until Summer 2000 and it would be impossible to keep the streak going that long. That would be insanity; maybe they keep the streak going until Bash at the Beach 1999 at the absolute max and Scott was still midcard in 99.

[evilone]

It should have been some other breaking WCW star like either DDP or Steiner and not anyone from nWo. As a matter of fact nWo angle should have folded thanks to Goldberg and his undefeated streak.

[Deleted]

DDP *not* beating him made sense, especially since that was a darn good match they had at Halloween Havoc. They'd have just had someone destroy DDP afterwards (probably Hogan) and ruin the wonder of Page ending the streak.

.....though perhaps the fallout of DDP getting beat would've stunk a LOT less than the Fingerpoke. -_-