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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 25, 2016 22:52:24 GMT -5
Holtz was another great character. While most of Buffy's antagonists were very black and white, Angel did shades of grey really well - Holtz was a good man overwhelmed by a lust for vengeance, Jasmine wanted to bring peace to the world at a terrible cost, Lindsey was always willing to do evil but even he had his principles... Hell, even Lilah got to show there was more to her than just being a conniving evil lawyer and proud of it. I really felt Willow and (somewhat) Faith were upgraded for their Angel episodes before going back to normal on Buffy. Tara was the only Buffy character who should have graduated to Angel Going back to the earlier post about facing consequences, Faith benefited from actually facing the consequences of her actions in Buffy while on Angel. First realising how far wrong she'd turned and subsequently going to prison for killing the mayor's assistant, and then redeeming herself by being willing to die helping bring down Angelus.
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Post by mattperiolat on May 25, 2016 23:10:59 GMT -5
Joyce Summers: Token parental figure whose best moments were when she interacted with Spike. I think you're being way too hard on Joyce. Her interactions with Giles were fantastic, especially in Band Candy. Relationship with Buffy was great too. And if the character was just a token, why then was The Body one of the best episodes of the whole series? YMMV, I just respectfully disagree.
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Post by Stu on May 25, 2016 23:44:30 GMT -5
Joyce Summers: Token parental figure whose best moments were when she interacted with Spike. I think you're being way too hard on Joyce. Her interactions with Giles were fantastic, especially in Band Candy. Relationship with Buffy was great too. And if the character was just a token, why then was The Body one of the best episodes of the whole series? YMMV, I just respectfully disagree. The Giles stuff was fine, but Joyce didn't do much in the grand scheme of things. She was naive to everything for two or three seasons and was still mostly in the background or absent after that. As for the episode you mentioned, she was still around and interacted with other characters. So it made sense for them to be upset she died (as it would for any mother's death). Everything about that episode had more to do with their reactions (mostly Anya) and less with Joyce herself.
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