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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Jun 15, 2016 22:34:09 GMT -5
Vince knows best.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 23:58:52 GMT -5
People will watch regardless.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jun 16, 2016 0:02:20 GMT -5
Same reason McDonalds doesn't let it's franchises make their own menus.
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Post by CertifiedBA on Jun 16, 2016 0:10:52 GMT -5
It's a TV show, actors aren't always reprising their own roles on new TV shows they appear on.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jun 16, 2016 0:53:35 GMT -5
...I'm so confused by this thread...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 16, 2016 1:02:45 GMT -5
You can't give a live mic to everyone or let them be themselves.
Think of the suffering we would of had to go through with an unfiltered Josh Matthews.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 16, 2016 6:50:39 GMT -5
It can vary by person; some guys need characters because the force of their personality isn't really enough, but then you have guys like CM Punk whose wrestling persona is a lot of aspects of himself dialed up to eleven, and he really succeeded with that. Daniel Bryan was able to get really over playing a character, but it was ultimately "humble granola dude who can wrestle super well" that ended up turning him into the most over guy of an era. Roman Reigns on TV tends to bore the hell out of me and his character kind of sucks, but the Roman Reigns we see in interviews when he's being natural and much more him? Give me the exaggeration of that and he just might win me over. Not everyone should be themselves, but unless you're a Cody Rhodes kind of guy who can make anything work and are able to play something outlandish and totally removed for reality, it's probably not a bad idea to skim some influence off the top of your own personality; people are at their most natural being them, after all. I remember when DBry first showed up in WWE and there was this huge "He needs to be American Dragon and kick people's heads in, be a complete badass assassin guy." And he's 5-foot-8, dwarfed by most of the roster -- remember when he did the LaBell Lock on Batista and he couldn't wrap his arms around to lock it because Batista was just too big and muscular. No way he could have been realistically booked as this force of nature -- that worked in the indies and in Japan against guys closer to his own size, but no way it would in WWE. He got over when he started to develop some personality in Team Hell No. That was what he needed, something besides "he can wrestle and he's a vegan and he doesn't own a TV, what a nerd." I think Zayn has potential, but he has yet to find any sort of character whatsoever. Without KO, he'd be nowhere. The only thing he has is "that poor guy KO keeps beating up." If he has a personality, he needs to start projecting it. But then at his most over he was a guy who could beat John Cena clean, only lost again and again to Orton because of crooked authority figures f***ing him out of it for three straight PPVs then again at Elimination Chaber, and who was enough of a killer to beat three dudes in one night at Wrestlemania. And people ate it the f*** up. Team Hell No was not really giving him 'personality' as much as it was helping him get comfortable on the mic with something to work with, and when he shed that and went back to something ore typically himself, he was able to light the place on fire.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 7:37:36 GMT -5
WWE is a TV show and not a wrestling company.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 12:06:00 GMT -5
Vince likes characters. He wants WWE to be a comic book that's taken on the road, essentially. Then he should probably watch Lucha Underground and take extensive notes, because they kick his ass at being a "live action comic book"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 12:11:06 GMT -5
Because Vince is a creative genius who knows best.
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Post by superchamp on Jun 16, 2016 12:30:13 GMT -5
I clicked this thinking it would be alluding to something like wrestlers showing a ton more personality on stuff on Youtube like Backstage Fallout and UpUpDownDown, not thinking it would be the OP clamoring for Kevin Owens to become a french-kissing homophobe
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jun 16, 2016 14:09:03 GMT -5
I still don't know the context on that
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jun 16, 2016 14:15:46 GMT -5
I now want Karl Anderson to have an Addams Family gimmick. Fester and Festus.
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Post by Gremlin on Jun 16, 2016 15:01:30 GMT -5
I still don't know the context on that I took it as a kind of "kiss of death" thing. He was trying to rattle your Olympic Hero. Plus he was just being himself, you know?
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Post by angryfan on Jun 16, 2016 15:19:23 GMT -5
Tried it once. It doesn't work. You got four guys all fighting over who's going to be Mr. Black. And no you can't be Mr Purple, cause Mr Purple is on another f***ing job!
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Post by radiantsilvergun on Jun 16, 2016 15:31:26 GMT -5
I clicked this thinking it would be alluding to something like wrestlers showing a ton more personality on stuff on Youtube like Backstage Fallout and UpUpDownDown, not thinking it would be the OP clamoring for Kevin Owens to become a french-kissing homophobe .....Thats KO's personality and I want him to be able to show more of it on the main stage. Please direct all concerns about french kissing and homophobia to Kevin Owens himself on Twitter or something like that
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Post by Phil Parent on Jun 16, 2016 15:39:34 GMT -5
It can vary by person; some guys need characters because the force of their personality isn't really enough, but then you have guys like CM Punk whose wrestling persona is a lot of aspects of himself dialed up to eleven, and he really succeeded with that. Daniel Bryan was able to get really over playing a character, but it was ultimately "humble granola dude who can wrestle super well" that ended up turning him into the most over guy of an era. Roman Reigns on TV tends to bore the hell out of me and his character kind of sucks, but the Roman Reigns we see in interviews when he's being natural and much more him? Give me the exaggeration of that and he just might win me over. Not everyone should be themselves, but unless you're a Cody Rhodes kind of guy who can make anything work and are able to play something outlandish and totally removed for reality, it's probably not a bad idea to skim some influence off the top of your own personality; people are at their most natural being them, after all. I remember when DBry first showed up in WWE and there was this huge "He needs to be American Dragon and kick people's heads in, be a complete badass assassin guy." And he's 5-foot-8, dwarfed by most of the roster -- remember when he did the LaBell Lock on Batista and he couldn't wrap his arms around to lock it because Batista was just too big and muscular. No way he could have been realistically booked as this force of nature -- that worked in the indies and in Japan against guys closer to his own size, but no way it would in WWE. He got over when he started to develop some personality in Team Hell No. That was what he needed, something besides "he can wrestle and he's a vegan and he doesn't own a TV, what a nerd." I think Zayn has potential, but he has yet to find any sort of character whatsoever. Without KO, he'd be nowhere. The only thing he has is "that poor guy KO keeps beating up." If he has a personality, he needs to start projecting it. Back in his Stevie McFly years, the knock on Zayn was that he was plain in the ring and plain in personality. Thus, he was used as a job guy, don't think he ever won a match in FLI, where he wasn't even a contracted talent, just brought in to do jobs, he might have won some for the MWF or whatever, the micro-indy that was his home base. Then he went to the IWS, made his ring work more flashy and he put on a mask to give himself some character (ironically still making himself generic) and it worked for him. Now, he's still a flashy worker and with the years he fleshed out his basics a lot, but he lacks the character still. I think putting a mask back on him might be the solution. Give him a KICKASS costume. A full body suit like Liger has maybe.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 16, 2016 15:47:29 GMT -5
I clicked this thinking it would be alluding to something like wrestlers showing a ton more personality on stuff on Youtube like Backstage Fallout and UpUpDownDown, not thinking it would be the OP clamoring for Kevin Owens to become a french-kissing homophobe .....Thats KO's personality and I want him to be able to show more of it on the main stage. Please direct all concerns about french kissing and homophobia to Kevin Owens himself on Twitter or something like that Okay but in what universe is Kevin Owens' performance on most nights not brimming with personality?
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Post by Yacht Persona on Jun 16, 2016 15:52:18 GMT -5
Tried it once. It doesn't work. You got four guys all fighting over who's going to be Mr. Black. And no you can't be Mr Purple, cause Mr Purple is on another f***ing job! Hey, nobody's trading names. This ain't a f***ing city council meeting!
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jun 16, 2016 15:52:38 GMT -5
Isn't Owens in real life a very polite and nice guy?
His asshole thing IS a character. What you're saying is he should play more of a character.
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