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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 13, 2017 0:52:34 GMT -5
Well, I was wrong, I said that the Durant experiment wouldn't be good for Golden State.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jun 13, 2017 0:53:33 GMT -5
I'm not gonna get angry at anyone who wants to get one ring in any sport these day.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 13, 2017 0:55:19 GMT -5
I'm not gonna get angry at anyone who wants to get one ring in any sport these day. As much as I don't like it from a competition standpoint, it's the culture now and has been for a few years in the NBA
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Post by Unocal 76 on Jun 13, 2017 1:14:03 GMT -5
Lost amidst the Warriors series win:
LeBron James streak of 29 consecutive playoff series with at least one road playoff win has come to an end
First time since 2009 East Finals vs. Orlando
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 13, 2017 1:34:50 GMT -5
Lost amidst the Warriors series win: LeBron James streak of 29 consecutive playoff series with at least one road playoff win has come to an end First time since 2009 East Finals vs. Orlando 29 consecutive series Good Lord
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Post by burdette25159 on Jun 13, 2017 1:58:43 GMT -5
ABC had to bleep a lot of stuff lol I smell Botchamania ending in which the stuff that was bleeped is covered up with audio of Chris Benoit's Wrestlemania XX world heavyweight title victory.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 13, 2017 2:34:41 GMT -5
No it's not earned it's soft, cowardly, and has an asterisk. I don't deny the man has talent but he'll never be respected because he took the cowards way out rather than standing his ground and being a leader to OKC. That's ridiculous. You could say the exact thing about LeBron when he left Cleveland for Miami. It's literally the EXACT same argument. Difference being is that LeBron literally had no help in Cleveland. An aging Shaq, an inconsistent Mo Williams and Delonte West, the fact they made it to the Finals against the Spurs is a testament to LeBron. I will admit to being one of LeBron's harshest critics when he went to Miami. But upon further examination he didn't go to a team that humiliated him. He went to a struggling Miami Heat team and helped build them up. KD goes to an already talented team that won a championship without him, went to the championship without him. Golden State bullied and humiliated OKC, he falls in line with the "If you can't beat them, join them." reality and got his first ring. There's a reason why this win feel shallow and not important, because it was expected and there wasn't any reason why they shouldn't have won. Once again KD is a coward and will never have the respect that he feels he deserves.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 13, 2017 2:39:33 GMT -5
The reason I don't get on the whole KD to Warriors thing is because, outside of personal preference for where he goes (which is totally fine for any fan to have), it's just a career decision and I see plenty of basketball reasons for him to feel frustrated with OKC, but the way it happened is what should remain a viable strategy for all NBA teams. Every NBA team should be able to say "let's try and hit on as many draft picks as we can, and hopefully we can get an impact free agent." The Warriors drafted successfully, and obviously were mindful of salaries and whatnot to get KD. It feels unfair because of how the pieces match, but...that's a strategy every team should have available to them. I disagree with everything riseofsetian1981 said, but he's right about RINGZ culture pushing stars toward looking at easier routes. I'll say this and I know you'll agree. Winning one ring is hard let alone winning multiple championships. Winning a championship is the ultimate goal in any professional sport obviously, that much we can agree on, however, when players are constantly told "Well, you're not great if you don't win a ring", "Your ringless career", or "Barkley should shut his mouth, he doesn't have any rings." All of those statements is pounded into a players psyche and they feel as if their career is a failure if they never win a ring or just win one. What sounds better to the fans, analysts, and history itself? NBA champion or 6x NBA champion? It's a shame but that's the reality of the circumstances in this era. Either you win a ring or you're a failure.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jun 13, 2017 2:47:37 GMT -5
The reason I don't get on the whole KD to Warriors thing is because, outside of personal preference for where he goes (which is totally fine for any fan to have), it's just a career decision and I see plenty of basketball reasons for him to feel frustrated with OKC, but the way it happened is what should remain a viable strategy for all NBA teams. Every NBA team should be able to say "let's try and hit on as many draft picks as we can, and hopefully we can get an impact free agent." The Warriors drafted successfully, and obviously were mindful of salaries and whatnot to get KD. It feels unfair because of how the pieces match, but...that's a strategy every team should have available to them. I disagree with everything riseofsetian1981 said, but he's right about RINGZ culture pushing stars toward looking at easier routes. I'll say this and I know you'll agree. Winning one ring is hard let alone winning multiple championships. Winning a championship is the ultimate goal in any professional sport obviously, that much we can agree on, however, when players are constantly told "Well, you're not great if you don't win a ring", "Your ringless career", or "Barkley should shut his mouth, he doesn't have any rings." All of those statements is pounded into a players psyche and they feel as if their career is a failure if they never win a ring or just win one. What sounds better to the fans, analysts, and history itself? NBA champion or 6x NBA champion? It's a shame but that's the reality of the circumstances in this era. Either you win a ring or you're a failure. We both cheer for the Mavs, so it's a convo I got sick of hearing with Dirk. That's a big reason why that championship run was so cool--he admitted at one point that if he had been courted by a superteam forming that he would have thought about it. He never did, though, and it really felt like everything fell into place that year for a special run that couldn't happen at any other time in any other window. He has that ring now obviously, but if he didn't, imagine how dumb it would be to say he isn't one of the greats.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 2:52:04 GMT -5
I can't claim to know the full circumstances, but I don't at all see the issue with a guy if he has the chance to trade up to a better team that can bring his career more success pouncing on it. End of the day you're there to make money and make a legacy and going the route that'll get you championships will best make that happen.
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Post by sfvega on Jun 13, 2017 3:44:29 GMT -5
That's ridiculous. You could say the exact thing about LeBron when he left Cleveland for Miami. It's literally the EXACT same argument. Difference being is that LeBron literally had no help in Cleveland. An aging Shaq, an inconsistent Mo Williams and Delonte West, the fact they made it to the Finals against the Spurs is a testament to LeBron. I will admit to being one of LeBron's harshest critics when he went to Miami. But upon further examination he didn't go to a team that humiliated him. He went to a struggling Miami Heat team and helped build them up. KD goes to an already talented team that won a championship without him, went to the championship without him. Golden State bullied and humiliated OKC, he falls in line with the "If you can't beat them, join them." reality and got his first ring. There's a reason why this win feel shallow and not important, because it was expected and there wasn't any reason why they shouldn't have won. Once again KD is a coward and will never have the respect that he feels he deserves. That's not true, and that is what makes it even worse. OKC was up 3-1 on GS when they were defending champs and had the best record ever. But KD was one of those guys who couldn't step on their throat in the 4th quarter to put them down for good. If Durant played the way he played in these Finals against GS, they would have pulled off one of the great upsets in playoff history and that would be his legacy. As it is, KD's legacy is a guy who piggybacked a team that was one Draymond Green groin kick away from going Drake.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jun 13, 2017 3:55:52 GMT -5
Difference being is that LeBron literally had no help in Cleveland. An aging Shaq, an inconsistent Mo Williams and Delonte West, the fact they made it to the Finals against the Spurs is a testament to LeBron. I will admit to being one of LeBron's harshest critics when he went to Miami. But upon further examination he didn't go to a team that humiliated him. He went to a struggling Miami Heat team and helped build them up. KD goes to an already talented team that won a championship without him, went to the championship without him. Golden State bullied and humiliated OKC, he falls in line with the "If you can't beat them, join them." reality and got his first ring. There's a reason why this win feel shallow and not important, because it was expected and there wasn't any reason why they shouldn't have won. Once again KD is a coward and will never have the respect that he feels he deserves. That's not true, and that is what makes it even worse. OKC was up 3-1 on GS when they were defending champs and had the best record ever. But KD was one of those guys who couldn't step on their throat in the 4th quarter to put them down for good. If Durant played the way he played in these Finals against GS, they would have pulled off one of the great upsets in playoff history and that would be his legacy. As it is, KD's legacy is a guy who piggybacked a team that was one Draymond Green groin kick away from going Drake. I'm not really sure he was capable of playing like this with OKC, though. This is the first time we've really seen him be able to go at it with a complete team, even if it was overkill.
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Post by sfvega on Jun 13, 2017 4:42:08 GMT -5
That's not true, and that is what makes it even worse. OKC was up 3-1 on GS when they were defending champs and had the best record ever. But KD was one of those guys who couldn't step on their throat in the 4th quarter to put them down for good. If Durant played the way he played in these Finals against GS, they would have pulled off one of the great upsets in playoff history and that would be his legacy. As it is, KD's legacy is a guy who piggybacked a team that was one Draymond Green groin kick away from going Drake. I'm not really sure he was capable of playing like this with OKC, though. This is the first time we've really seen him be able to go at it with a complete team, even if it was overkill. It's a hit to him though that he can't play his best when OKC had him, but when GS is firing on all cylinders, he's this next level player. For as good as he was with OKC, he was so much better this playoffs. And if he did that with OKC, he would have owned the West to begin with and not have needed to go anywhere else.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Jun 13, 2017 4:52:22 GMT -5
I think the only good thing that comes from this is Steve Nash gets a ring doesn't he? Since he works in the Warriors office or whatever?
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Post by r. on Jun 13, 2017 5:27:30 GMT -5
Congrats to GSW. Durant finally hitched a winning ride. LJ has nothing to prove but would be well advised to come up with a pace that works for them better next season, Perhaps more 3 point threats. It was a fun if not short series. See you all in 2018 Here we go Game isn't even over How about now?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 13, 2017 6:42:24 GMT -5
I get that at the end of the day, Durant has his ring and is now a champion. But it's hollow as f***
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Post by Manute Bol on Jun 13, 2017 7:08:23 GMT -5
That's ridiculous. You could say the exact thing about LeBron when he left Cleveland for Miami. It's literally the EXACT same argument. Difference being is that LeBron literally had no help in Cleveland. An aging Shaq, an inconsistent Mo Williams and Delonte West, the fact they made it to the Finals against the Spurs is a testament to LeBron. I will admit to being one of LeBron's harshest critics when he went to Miami. But upon further examination he didn't go to a team that humiliated him. He went to a struggling Miami Heat team and helped build them up. KD goes to an already talented team that won a championship without him, went to the championship without him. Golden State bullied and humiliated OKC, he falls in line with the "If you can't beat them, join them." reality and got his first ring. There's a reason why this win feel shallow and not important, because it was expected and there wasn't any reason why they shouldn't have won. Once again KD is a coward and will never have the respect that he feels he deserves. I think you're being biased here. LeBron and Durant both left situations where they weren't likely to achieve the highest level of success in exchange for a better opportunity to do so. And you can't say he went to a "struggling Miami Heat team" when the Heat finished over .500 that season. LeBron grew tired of coming up short, colluded with some friends to form a "super team", and was very successful in return. There's no difference here.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 13, 2017 7:30:05 GMT -5
And now here's your odd but true stat that I must bring up as a Lebron dick-rider.
Lebron is the first person in NBA history to average a triple-double during the Finals. You can determine whether that's interesting or not
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 13, 2017 8:36:11 GMT -5
Difference being is that LeBron literally had no help in Cleveland. An aging Shaq, an inconsistent Mo Williams and Delonte West, the fact they made it to the Finals against the Spurs is a testament to LeBron. I will admit to being one of LeBron's harshest critics when he went to Miami. But upon further examination he didn't go to a team that humiliated him. He went to a struggling Miami Heat team and helped build them up. KD goes to an already talented team that won a championship without him, went to the championship without him. Golden State bullied and humiliated OKC, he falls in line with the "If you can't beat them, join them." reality and got his first ring. There's a reason why this win feel shallow and not important, because it was expected and there wasn't any reason why they shouldn't have won. Once again KD is a coward and will never have the respect that he feels he deserves. I think you're being biased here. LeBron and Durant both left situations where they weren't likely to achieve the highest level of success in exchange for a better opportunity to do so. And you can't say he went to a "struggling Miami Heat team" when the Heat finished over .500 that season. LeBron grew tired of coming up short, colluded with some friends to form a "super team", and was very successful in return. There's no difference here. The look is really bad with KD though. The Thunder were a very good team who had the Warriors down 3-1. They could have taken another shot at it, but within weeks, he jumped ship and ran right to the team that beat him. It's hard not to look at him and not think that he saw adversity and instead of battling it, took the absolute easiest road possible.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 13, 2017 10:01:57 GMT -5
And now here's your odd but true stat that I must bring up as a Lebron dick-rider. Lebron is the first person in NBA history to average a triple-double during the Finals. You can determine whether that's interesting or not He should be proud about his play, it wasn't his fault they lost. I think Love and Thompson won't be in Cleveland much longer.
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