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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 15:00:49 GMT -5
Your first part contains some pretty genuine complaints, so why just cry about the general conditions of the wrestling business on national television instead of the points you listed? As far as the second part, he has, but to me it's just being a mark for yourself and giving an excuse to treat people like shit. I mean you really think a guy deserves to be elbowed and punched in the face for accidentally touching him!? He has no problem treating other people like trash, but expects to be treated well. Funny how that has worked out, some might call that karma. Because the general public doesn't give a shit about his personal life and he may not legally be able to talk about the lawsuit. I'd also argue that the general treatment the roster receives is a major part of his dream being killed. He gets the world title, move a lot of merchandise, is one of the most popular guys they had at that time and he gets none of the treatment that someone at that level would get. Man made over 20 million dollars in his WWE tenture. f*** him and his dream.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 29, 2016 15:03:19 GMT -5
He has the Bret Hart syndrome. He can't let go of what WWE did to him, even after many years past. When Vince went Owen's funeral, Bret confronted him. Instead of talking about Owen, which he did once or twice, the conversation ended up being a bitchfeat about the screwjob. Some people are marks for themselves and can't accept wrestling as a business. Bret's not an idiot so there's no wonder he would avoid that topic, Vince is the kind of man who would bring up conversations held at a funeral in court just to cast as much doubt on the Harts version of the story as he can. As kind as Vince can be, he's also the same detestable human being that put Melanie Pillman on live TV immediately after the loss of her husband and tried to push her into saying things that would make it harder for her to sue. Punk's anti-social personality is the reason why WWE were never going to make him the #1 guy. Whether people like Cena or not, he's friendly and approachable. The WWE put all it's weight behind Shawn Michaels, a man who was supposedly abusive to female fans and pissed off those around him to the point he had the crap beat out of him by co-workers and members of the general public. The WWE has also given Randy Orton an unquestionably solid push for a decade now with hundreds of PPV main events despite being a bit of a shit to deal with backstage and failing wellness so often they've had to shift the goalposts to avoid firing him. CM Punk was generally nothing but a professional at WWE events, he made the company look good when doing outside appearances by being as personable and as passionate as he could and that still wasn't enough for them.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Jun 29, 2016 15:04:40 GMT -5
He's just seems like that kind of person. Miserable, bitter, self-centred and set in his ways. He was one of my favourite wrestlers of all time, but since he left, and the more I've heard him say, the more I've grown to dislike him because he comes across as such a sour person.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 15:06:20 GMT -5
He had a dream and saw it crushed, then was nearly killed by their doctors, got fired on his wedding day by them and now is being sued by their doctor with WWE's help. He hasn't had the chance to escape from their to put it behind him or move on. As for the fan thing, Punk has said for years their is a right time, place and way to approach him, so that doesn't shock me at all. I met Punk 3 or 4 times during his roh career and 2 times early in his wwe career each time he was a miserable prick and I know it's not my fault because I can confirm that I'm delightful.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 29, 2016 15:07:50 GMT -5
Did that shitberg Cowherd insult wrestling and wrestlers while interviewing Punk?
If not, it's funny how he keeps his mouth shut when faced with someone who might kick his head in.
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Post by cool on Jun 29, 2016 15:13:09 GMT -5
You would be if a doctor almost killed you and you got fired on your wedding day
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 15:13:33 GMT -5
Did that shitberg Cowherd insult wrestling and wrestlers while interviewing Punk? If not, it's funny how he keeps his mouth shut when faced with someone who might kick his head in. I don't think Colin can talk wrestling without saying booger eaters.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 29, 2016 15:18:50 GMT -5
CM Punk is a perfect combination of man with legitimate grievances and complete bunghole. Also he's popular enough that, like Bret, everything he says is under ten times more scrutiny than his peers because people want to see bitterness so they can dismiss each and every legitimate complaint he has. Look at his exit, he took months to comment on his departure from the WWE and within a week people were acting like he hadn't shut up that whole time because there is a vocal slice of the fanbase that won't accept any former employees criticising the WWE because, wrestling I guess.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 29, 2016 15:19:33 GMT -5
He has the Bret Hart syndrome. He can't let go of what WWE did to him, even after many years past. When Vince went Owen's funeral, Bret confronted him. Instead of talking about Owen, which he did once or twice, the conversation ended up being a bitchfeat about the screwjob. Some people are marks for themselves and can't accept wrestling as a business. Bret's not an idiot so there's no wonder he would avoid that topic, Vince is the kind of man who would bring up conversations held at a funeral in court just to cast as much doubt on the Harts version of the story as he can. As kind as Vince can be, he's also the same detestable human being that put Melanie Pillman on live TV immediately after the loss of her husband and tried to push her into saying things that would make it harder for her to sue. Punk's anti-social personality is the reason why WWE were never going to make him the #1 guy. Whether people like Cena or not, he's friendly and approachable. The WWE put all it's weight behind Shawn Michaels, a man who was supposedly abusive to female fans and pissed off those around him to the point he had the crap beat out of him by co-workers and members of the general public. The WWE has also given Randy Orton an unquestionably solid push for a decade now with hundreds of PPV main events despite being a bit of a shit to deal with backstage and failing wellness so often they've had to shift the goalposts to avoid firing him. CM Punk was generally nothing but a professional at WWE events, he made the company look good when doing outside appearances by being as personable and as passionate as he could and that still wasn't enough for them. Shawn Michaels was often booked as a cocky asshole, even when he was a face. Orton was never the #1 guy. To be the #1 guy in WWE now, you need to be Ronald McDonald. That's what Cena is. That's why it won't work with Roman Reigns either, no matter how hard they try. In Punk's case, I don't think he is personable. He's proud of being surly and anti-social. That's fine, but the guy walking around with earphones and a hoodie, giving off a general vibe of "I don't like you. Piss off!" was never going to displace Cena as their golden boy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 15:25:37 GMT -5
Eh. I know so many bitter people in other walks of life that I honestly don't care if Punk's one too. There's a shit ton of things to be bitter about but I don't know the guy and he's not screwing with my life, so why should I care?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 29, 2016 15:38:21 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels was often booked as a cocky asshole, even when he was a face. Orton was never the #1 guy. To be the #1 guy in WWE now, you need to be Ronald McDonald. That's what Cena is. That's why it won't work with Roman Reigns either, no matter how hard they try. In Punk's case, I don't think he is personable. He's proud of being surly and anti-social. That's fine, but the guy walking around with earphones and a hoodie, giving off a general vibe of "I don't like you. Piss off!" was never going to displace Cena as their golden boy. The whole boyhood dream period wasn't that cocky for Shawn, his character was stripped down to by the numbers Blandy McBlandington-Winsalot WWF/E face booking, and he won a hell of a lot, like 80-90% of all matches despite becoming nearly unmanageable backstage. Randy Orton may not be on the same level as Cena, he's still higher up the ladder in the minds of WWE management than Punk was, despite being unreliable he still main evented two Wrestlemanias and hundreds of PPVs and will likely main event dozens more when he returns. Was Punk going to be he next Cena? Probably not, but he could have been more popular than he was, the company intentionally went out to limit how big he could become, something they never did to Cena, Orton, Sheamus, Reigns, Batista or any of their other preferred candidates for the main event.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 15:42:09 GMT -5
He got fired on his wedding day.
I know it's way more than that, but if that happened to me I'd be bitter as vinegar to almost everyone else in the world for a long damn time.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jun 29, 2016 15:50:21 GMT -5
*reads thread* *sees comments hating someone for being bitter about being mistreated* *moseys on over to Off-Topic* *reads daily thread (or two or three or...) on being bitter about being mistreated*
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 16:05:44 GMT -5
The OP is heavily mis-representing the entire interview or just wasn't listening very carefully.
The first question the interviewer asked him was "Why'd you leave WWE despite being successful there?"
Then he asked Punk specifically about his "reputation" as a jerk in wrestling. less than 2 and a half minutes of that kind of stuff where Punk was just responding to specific questions from the interviewer.
Later on he asked Punk about staying clean in wrestling, which Punk answered without even mentioning WWE really and he could have probably thrown them under the bus big time.
The interviewer then asks Punk specifically, "What would you say to a wrestling fan who says you're in MMA as a money grab?"
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So the interviewer was the one who kept veering the conversation back towards wrestling and WWE.
Punk did the bare minimum in terms of being bitter about WWE - in fact he didn't really sound bitter at all in the interview, he just answered the guy's questions which were mainly about wrestling and WWE.
Its funny, for all the accusations I hear of Punk still being bitter, it seems to me its more the fans are WAY more salty about Punk than he is about WWE for some reason.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 29, 2016 16:08:34 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels was often booked as a cocky asshole, even when he was a face. Orton was never the #1 guy. To be the #1 guy in WWE now, you need to be Ronald McDonald. That's what Cena is. That's why it won't work with Roman Reigns either, no matter how hard they try. In Punk's case, I don't think he is personable. He's proud of being surly and anti-social. That's fine, but the guy walking around with earphones and a hoodie, giving off a general vibe of "I don't like you. Piss off!" was never going to displace Cena as their golden boy. The whole boyhood dream period wasn't that cocky for Shawn, his character was stripped down to by the numbers Blandy McBlandington-Winsalot WWF/E face booking, and he won a hell of a lot, like 80-90% of all matches despite becoming nearly unmanageable backstage. Randy Orton may not be on the same level as Cena, he's still higher up the ladder in the minds of WWE management than Punk was, despite being unreliable he still main evented two Wrestlemanias and hundreds of PPVs and will likely main event dozens more when he returns. Was Punk going to be he next Cena? Probably not, but he could have been more popular than he was, the company intentionally went out to limit how big he could become, something they never did to Cena, Orton, Sheamus, Reigns, Batista or any of their other preferred candidates for the main event. Punk was pushed as high as he could have gone. But being #1 was never an option, due to his real life personality. At the least it could have given a legit reason to not push him to that level, because they knew he wasn't suited for it.
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Post by Perfect Timing on Jun 29, 2016 16:18:06 GMT -5
The more I hear him moan the more I think he wasn't as special as I once thought.
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Post by Shy Guy on Jun 29, 2016 16:29:16 GMT -5
for someone who is all about "PMA", he sure sucks at it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 16:31:06 GMT -5
The OP is heavily mis-representing the entire interview or just wasn't listening very carefully. The first question the interviewer asked him was "Why'd you leave WWE despite being successful there?" Then he asked Punk specifically about his "reputation" as a jerk in wrestling. less than 2 and a half minutes of that kind of stuff where Punk was just responding to specific questions from the interviewer. Later on he asked Punk about staying clean in wrestling, which Punk answered without even mentioning WWE really and he could have probably thrown them under the bus big time. The interviewer then asks Punk specifically, "What would you say to a wrestling fan who says you're in MMA as a money grab?" --- So the interviewer was the one who kept veering the conversation back towards wrestling and WWE. Punk did the bare minimum in terms of being bitter about WWE - in fact he didn't really sound bitter at all in the interview, he just answered the guy's questions which were mainly about wrestling and WWE. Its funny, for all the accusations I hear of Punk still being bitter, it seems to me its more the fans are WAY more salty about Punk than he is about WWE for some reason. Here Punk sounds more reasonable. I agree he kept the WWE bashing at minimal
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 29, 2016 16:54:08 GMT -5
Punk was pushed as high as he could have gone. But being #1 was never an option, due to his real life personality. At the least it could have given a legit reason to not push him to that level, because they knew he wasn't suited for it. I just can't buy that as a reason, given how they planned on building the company around Randy Orton, a guy who came into the WWE after a dishonourable discharge from the marines which would make any other employer question his character, the only reason they didn't was a shinier toy came along. I don't think Punk really believed he could become #1 in their eyes, but a closer #2 was a very real possibility but they went all out to kill it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 17:15:25 GMT -5
He had a dream and saw it crushed, then was nearly killed by their doctors, got fired on his wedding day by them and now is being sued by their doctor with WWE's help. He hasn't had the chance to escape from their to put it behind him or move on. As for the fan thing, Punk has said for years their is a right time, place and way to approach him, so that doesn't shock me at all. I met Punk 3 or 4 times during his roh career and 2 times early in his wwe career each time he was a miserable prick and I know it's not my fault because I can confirm that I'm delightful. Not blaming you, but if someone was a jerk to you the first two times you met them, why would you go out of your way to meet them four more times?
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