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Post by King Boo on Jun 29, 2016 17:21:21 GMT -5
He's kind of exhausting, huh?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 17:22:54 GMT -5
He got fired on his wedding day. I know it's way more than that, but if that happened to me I'd be bitter as vinegar to almost everyone else in the world for a long damn time. He walked out on the company 6 months earlier during the build to the biggest match of his career at wrestlemania and the wrestling business isn't filled with the classiest people he had it coming. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 17:23:40 GMT -5
I met Punk 3 or 4 times during his roh career and 2 times early in his wwe career each time he was a miserable prick and I know it's not my fault because I can confirm that I'm delightful. Not blaming you, but if someone was a jerk to you the first two times you met them, why would you go out of your way to meet them four more times? I'm a people person and I thought I could change him. Reality the bulk of the times i met him in roh the buildings were hot as hell and most of the roster would be hanging outside to get some air and I'd meet Samoa Joe and he'd be a cool chill dude,I'd meet Bryan Danielson and he'd be super outgoing and friendly,Mark Briscoe was a crazy person and Punk was a dick and I remember Joe telling me That's just Punk.So whenever I saw him at shows I always wanted to see if he'd be semi decent to me.Had similar encounters with my favorite wrestler of all time Shawn Michaels in 95 thru 97 I met him 3 times he was a giant douche as was Scott Hall everytime I saw him.Everyone else I've ever met in my life except for Savio Vega has loved me to varying degrees. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 17:40:09 GMT -5
again, if you listen to the actual interview, Punk doesn't come across bitter at all.
Not saying Punk isn't generally a grumpy, reactionary, defensive dude, just that I think he's actually gotten over him leaving WWE and most of the people that are a bit too quick to jump on the "Punk is so bitter" bandwagon clearly aren't and are looking for any reason to harangue the guy over something he didn't even do.
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Post by cool on Jun 29, 2016 17:42:49 GMT -5
He got fired on his wedding day. I know it's way more than that, but if that happened to me I'd be bitter as vinegar to almost everyone else in the world for a long damn time. He walked out on the company 6 months earlier during the build to the biggest match of his career at wrestlemania and the wrestling business isn't filled with the classiest people he had it coming. I have to shake my head at this post, No one has getting fired on their wedding day coming. |
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Post by corndog on Jun 29, 2016 17:44:06 GMT -5
Your first part contains some pretty genuine complaints, so why just cry about the general conditions of the wrestling business on national television instead of the points you listed? As far as the second part, he has, but to me it's just being a mark for yourself and giving an excuse to treat people like shit. I mean you really think a guy deserves to be elbowed and punched in the face for accidentally touching him!? He has no problem treating other people like trash, but expects to be treated well. Funny how that has worked out, some might call that karma. Because the general public doesn't give a shit about his personal life and he may not legally be able to talk about the lawsuit. I'd also argue that the general treatment the roster receives is a major part of his dream being killed. He gets the world title, move a lot of merchandise, is one of the most popular guys they had at that time and he gets none of the treatment that someone at that level would get. I don't think it is being a mark for yourself to want to be left alone in the bathroom, at the airport, the gym or at dinner or expect to hear please and thank you. I've never heard of him being an ass to kids or even most people, the complaints usually come from the airport stalkers or places like that. Maybe he has, I don't know, I just don't think it is too much to say that you don't want to be bothered in certain places. I don't know of any incident like you are talking about except the one on RAW and that would be the exact opposite of what I am talking about. With his 2011 contract he made over $2 million a year(after bonuses,$1.7m before) received a merchandising percentage, got a freaking bus provided to him and when going overseas free first class travel, and got limited creative control. Hell, he complained about the travel and hotels not being paid for, but he didn't have to worry about that with his touring bus. He had the longest WWE title reign since Hulk Hogan's four year run in the 80's. Okay, he didn't main event Wrestlemania, he was booked under Cena. So really, the only thing is didn't do is upseed Cena as the face of the company and we can all agree he wasn't going to do that for a multitude of reasons. As far as Randy Orton goes, Orton was lower on the card than Punk from '11-'14. I will say the injury stuff was pretty bad and yes, I did listen to the Colt Cabana podcast, so I know the full story. As far as the fans, why have most of the people who met Punk, in person, on this board, generally said he's an asshole? I'm sure he has horror stories, I bet most wrestlers do, but that doesn't mean he should treat the much larger percentage of sane wrestling fans poorly. |
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Post by corndog on Jun 29, 2016 17:45:51 GMT -5
He walked out on the company 6 months earlier during the build to the biggest match of his career at wrestlemania and the wrestling business isn't filled with the classiest people he had it coming. I have to shake my head at this post, No one has getting fired on their wedding day coming. Didn't his contract actually expire that day? I know he actually got the papers that day, but I wouldn't put it past Punk to not mention that fact to make the WWE look bad. |
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jun 29, 2016 17:50:26 GMT -5
He is a horrible person
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Post by corndog on Jun 29, 2016 18:32:49 GMT -5
The OP is heavily mis-representing the entire interview or just wasn't listening very carefully. The first question the interviewer asked him was "Why'd you leave WWE despite being successful there?" Correct on the question, this led to Punk saying that wrestlers were "indentured servants", not bitter comparing wrestlers to the closest thing to slavery? He then said he was offered a low ball figure, being paid next to nothing. $2 million dollars a year is next to nothing? That's not insulting to working class people and pretty much everyone that isn't very wealthy. He said he had to pay for travel and hotels, even though the bus was provided to him. Basically he could have just said, I was burnt out from the travel and arguing with my bosses, it was time to go. He definitely went further to than he needed. Then he asked Punk specifically about his "reputation" as a jerk in wrestling. Speaking of complete misrepresentations, Cowherd did not say that at all, Punk did. More or less summing it up, but using Cowherd's actual words, Cowherd said that Punk became a success in wrestling from being his own man and that the WWE tried to make him a puppet. Punk then said that many people felt he was a jerk. That fans would say he was either nice or a jerk to them and that the fans that he was a jerk to probably had it coming. He actually isn't even asked about the fans when he made this comment. less than 2 and a half minutes of that kind of stuff where Punk was just responding to specific questions from the interviewer. Later on he asked Punk about staying clean in wrestling, which Punk answered without even mentioning WWE really and he could have probably thrown them under the bus big time. The interviewer then asks Punk specifically, "What would you say to a wrestling fan who says you're in MMA as a money grab?" --- So the interviewer was the one who kept veering the conversation back towards wrestling and WWE. Punk did the bare minimum in terms of being bitter about WWE - in fact he didn't really sound bitter at all in the interview, he just answered the guy's questions which were mainly about wrestling and WWE. Its funny, for all the accusations I hear of Punk still being bitter, it seems to me its more the fans are WAY more salty about Punk than he is about WWE for some reason. I admitted in my OP for ending the interview early. I turned it off right around the point where Colin starts saying that UFC fans should embrace Punk. I had to go to work and after those first few minutes, I didn't feel I needed to see anymore. I will admit as the interview went on, he did come off as less bitter, especially when talking UFC. I can't say I have any problem with the way he answered the questions from that point forward. As far as fans being more salty about Punk than his about WWE, you might be right. But here's how I see it. Punk doesn't ever say anything good about WWE(the company, not the talent), at least from what I have heard and feel free to prove me wrong. Even Bret at his most bitter points would say how he appreciated everything the WWE did for him and enjoyed working there, but he hated the way it ended. The thing is Punk wouldn't be on a UFC ppv if it wasn't for his time in WWE. Hell, Punk wouldn't even have made it into the company at all. His opponent wouldn't even be there at this point in his career. So yeah, why wouldn't Cowherd ask about it? It just seems like one, Punk doesn't appreciate his fans, and two, we know it ended shitty, but he doesn't seem at all appreciative of his entire WWE run. I think even the biggest CM Punk fan, can't say the WWE didn't give him anything. I actually was a big fan of his work and loved him in the WWE. But the dude's a dick and so much that it's hard to justify(but people are trying) and impossible to deny. Maybe it's also the fact that he isn't entertaining us in WWE to help us overlook his less desirable attributes. Then again, who knows, maybe I'm being worked. Coming off as an unappreciative, self-centered, undeserving prick is a good way to get people to pay to see you get your ass kicked. Plus the way he's coming in doesn't have UFC traditionalists on his side, and now he's just burning the wrestling fans by saying they deserved to get treated poorly. He always was a pretty good heel. |
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jun 29, 2016 18:42:32 GMT -5
Did that shitberg Cowherd insult wrestling and wrestlers while interviewing Punk? If not, it's funny how he keeps his mouth shut when faced with someone who might kick his head in. Yeah, that sounds like Cowherd. Talks a big game, but when he talks to someone who could beat his ass, he's just a little shit. Hell, I'm pretty sure I could kick the snot out of him. |
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Post by Juice on Jun 29, 2016 18:50:04 GMT -5
Not blaming you, but if someone was a jerk to you the first two times you met them, why would you go out of your way to meet them four more times? I'm a people person and I thought I could change him. Reality the bulk of the times i met him in roh the buildings were hot as hell and most of the roster would be hanging outside to get some air and I'd meet Samoa Joe and he'd be a cool chill dude,I'd meet Bryan Danielson and he'd be super outgoing and friendly,Mark Briscoe was a crazy person and Punk was a dick and I remember Joe telling me That's just Punk.So whenever I saw him at shows I always wanted to see if he'd be semi decent to me.Had similar encounters with my favorite wrestler of all time Shawn Michaels in 95 thru 97 I met him 3 times he was a giant douche as was Scott Hall everytime I saw him.Everyone else I've ever met in my life except for Savio Vega has loved me to varying degrees. Dude based on this description you deserved it. By your own admission you caught these guys outside getting air. That's unsolicited and Punks biggest gripe is being ambushed by these fans who xall him an asshole. If its an official thing he'd be nicer, if its an ambush he is a jerk. Can't say he is any different than most people in that regard. Lots of celebs won't do selfies. Louis CK, is a good example. He does fan service to a point but draws lines. Amy Schumar is pretty famously attacked. I think if its an official thing like a meet and greet/backstage pass and people treat you bad than you have room to complain. Ambush someone getting air at a roh show they lilely performed in. Than you deserve the rudeness. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 29, 2016 18:54:15 GMT -5
Can we talk about him saying if he put together a win streak it isn't far fetched if he got a title shot?
I mean is it tho?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 19:05:02 GMT -5
I'm a people person and I thought I could change him. Reality the bulk of the times i met him in roh the buildings were hot as hell and most of the roster would be hanging outside to get some air and I'd meet Samoa Joe and he'd be a cool chill dude,I'd meet Bryan Danielson and he'd be super outgoing and friendly,Mark Briscoe was a crazy person and Punk was a dick and I remember Joe telling me That's just Punk.So whenever I saw him at shows I always wanted to see if he'd be semi decent to me.Had similar encounters with my favorite wrestler of all time Shawn Michaels in 95 thru 97 I met him 3 times he was a giant douche as was Scott Hall everytime I saw him.Everyone else I've ever met in my life except for Savio Vega has loved me to varying degrees. Dude based on this description you deserved it. By your own admission you caught these guys outside getting air. That's unsolicited and Punks biggest gripe is being ambushed by these fans who xall him an asshole. If its an official thing he'd be nicer, if its an ambush he is a jerk. Can't say he is any different than most people in that regard. Lots of celebs won't do selfies. Louis CK, is a good example. He does fan service to a point but draws lines. Amy Schumar is pretty famously attacked. I think if its an official thing like a meet and greet/backstage pass and people treat you bad than you have room to complain. Ambush someone getting air at a roh show they lilely performed in. Than you deserve the rudeness. If I meet 20 people in a setting and 19 are nice and 1 is an A-Hole the problem is not me.That's a pretty good pro me ratio.Even Austin Aries was pleasant to me and he hates everybody. |
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Post by Juice on Jun 29, 2016 19:05:55 GMT -5
Dude based on this description you deserved it. By your own admission you caught these guys outside getting air. That's unsolicited and Punks biggest gripe is being ambushed by these fans who xall him an asshole. If its an official thing he'd be nicer, if its an ambush he is a jerk. Can't say he is any different than most people in that regard. Lots of celebs won't do selfies. Louis CK, is a good example. He does fan service to a point but draws lines. Amy Schumar is pretty famously attacked. I think if its an official thing like a meet and greet/backstage pass and people treat you bad than you have room to complain. Ambush someone getting air at a roh show they lilely performed in. Than you deserve the rudeness. If I meet 20 people in a setting and 19 are nice and 1 is an A-Hole the problem is not me.That's a pretty good pro me ratio. Thats beside the point. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 29, 2016 19:23:30 GMT -5
He walked out on the company 6 months earlier during the build to the biggest match of his career at wrestlemania and the wrestling business isn't filled with the classiest people he had it coming. What buildup? Punk's road to Wrestlemania hadn't begun, they hadn't laid the groundwork for a Punk/Hunter feud, no promo battles, in ring confrontations and even if there were plans for that, the audience forced the WWE to change their halfassed plans up and down the card. As far as the biggest match of his career goes, that's a joke, right? It was another chance for Hunter to get a win over him on his way out the door. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 19:24:32 GMT -5
The OP is heavily mis-representing the entire interview or just wasn't listening very carefully. The first question the interviewer asked him was "Why'd you leave WWE despite being successful there?" Correct on the question, this led to Punk saying that wrestlers were "indentured servants", not bitter comparing wrestlers to the closest thing to slavery? He then said he was offered a low ball figure, being paid next to nothing. $2 million dollars a year is next to nothing? That's not insulting to working class people and pretty much everyone that isn't very wealthy. He said he had to pay for travel and hotels, even though the bus was provided to him. Basically he could have just said, I was burnt out from the travel and arguing with my bosses, it was time to go. He definitely went further to than he needed. Then he asked Punk specifically about his "reputation" as a jerk in wrestling. Speaking of complete misrepresentations, Cowherd did not say that at all, Punk did. More or less summing it up, but using Cowherd's actual words, Cowherd said that Punk became a success in wrestling from being his own man and that the WWE tried to make him a puppet. Punk then said that many people felt he was a jerk. That fans would say he was either nice or a jerk to them and that the fans that he was a jerk to probably had it coming. He actually isn't even asked about the fans when he made this comment. less than 2 and a half minutes of that kind of stuff where Punk was just responding to specific questions from the interviewer. Later on he asked Punk about staying clean in wrestling, which Punk answered without even mentioning WWE really and he could have probably thrown them under the bus big time. The interviewer then asks Punk specifically, "What would you say to a wrestling fan who says you're in MMA as a money grab?" --- So the interviewer was the one who kept veering the conversation back towards wrestling and WWE. Punk did the bare minimum in terms of being bitter about WWE - in fact he didn't really sound bitter at all in the interview, he just answered the guy's questions which were mainly about wrestling and WWE. Its funny, for all the accusations I hear of Punk still being bitter, it seems to me its more the fans are WAY more salty about Punk than he is about WWE for some reason. I admitted in my OP for ending the interview early. I turned it off right around the point where Colin starts saying that UFC fans should embrace Punk. I had to go to work and after those first few minutes, I didn't feel I needed to see anymore. I will admit as the interview went on, he did come off as less bitter, especially when talking UFC. I can't say I have any problem with the way he answered the questions from that point forward. As far as fans being more salty about Punk than his about WWE, you might be right. But here's how I see it. Punk doesn't ever say anything good about WWE(the company, not the talent), at least from what I have heard and feel free to prove me wrong. Even Bret at his most bitter points would say how he appreciated everything the WWE did for him and enjoyed working there, but he hated the way it ended. The thing is Punk wouldn't be on a UFC ppv if it wasn't for his time in WWE. Hell, Punk wouldn't even have made it into the company at all. His opponent wouldn't even be there at this point in his career. So yeah, why wouldn't Cowherd ask about it? It just seems like one, Punk doesn't appreciate his fans, and two, we know it ended shitty, but he doesn't seem at all appreciative of his entire WWE run. I think even the biggest CM Punk fan, can't say the WWE didn't give him anything. I actually was a big fan of his work and loved him in the WWE. But the dude's a dick and so much that it's hard to justify(but people are trying) and impossible to deny. Maybe it's also the fact that he isn't entertaining us in WWE to help us overlook his less desirable attributes. Then again, who knows, maybe I'm being worked. Coming off as an unappreciative, self-centered, undeserving prick is a good way to get people to pay to see you get your ass kicked. Plus the way he's coming in doesn't have UFC traditionalists on his side, and now he's just burning the wrestling fans by saying they deserved to get treated poorly. He always was a pretty good heel. I think people are just blowing Punk's "bitterness" way out of proportion at this point. He was talking about wrestling in general AND WWE in terms of how the conditions aren't great for the most part for wrestlers (which is pretty much true by all accounts). Heck, Punk even said in the interview, "I don't regret re-signing in 2011" and didn't even go into detail about why he left, he just said, "Things unfolded the way they did." Also, when the interviewer asked him that question that ended with, "And wrestling tried to make you their puppet!" He was basically tee-ing Punk up for a big anti-WWE rant, but Punk didn't even take the bait. He just basically said, "I've always been perceived as a jerk" or whatever. For all the "Why is Punk so bitter?" talk, he did his best to actually side step any questions about WWE during the interview. I think if people want to spin it so it makes Punk seem ungrateful, then you can do that with pretty much anyone, but trying to say that Punk claiming $2MM is a low ball figure is an insult to working class people - that's just silly. Does every actor, musician, etc who negotiates for more money insult working class people when they do that? No, they're just trying to get paid comparable to the revenue they bring their company. |
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Post by corndog on Jun 29, 2016 19:38:08 GMT -5
Can we talk about him saying if he put together a win streak it isn't far fetched if he got a title shot? I mean is it tho? I laughed about this quite a bit. Realistically, his fight with Gall is basically a very high paying tryout match. But which are you saying is far fetched, that if Punk puts together a 4-5 fight winning streak he gets a title fight or that Punk could actually put that winning streak together? As far as the first part, hypothetically speaking if Punk puts together a 4-5 fight win streak, could I see him a getting shot? Yeah, I could actually. He's starting pretty late, so if he keeps winning, he might get one whether he deserves it or not. But really, it depends on how Dana books him. Personally, I see Dana protecting him quite a bit, but then again if he does beat another low end guy after Gall, he could quickly through him to the wolves since he isn't going to have forever with Punk. Now, do I think it's realistic for Punk to win 4-5 fights, especially needing to win at least 1-2 against top ten contenders for the title shot? No, not at all. Punk could surprise me and beat Gall, but most of these guys have been working their entire lives on their areas of expertise. So Punk is already starting miles behind everyone else with no amateur background. Also, Punk has been having some serious issues just in training. I would be amazed if Punk could stay healthy enough to have 4 fights before he turns 40. |
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jun 29, 2016 19:42:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm glad people finally caught wise to the OP's intentions. I knew it was a matter of time, as I heard the interview as well. It was entertaining seeing the OP slant it and set it up on a tee for kneejerk reactionary posts to follow. We are kinda nearing the "people who listened to it for themselves" stage, and it's even more entertaining watching the defensive stance after being corrected on his misrepresentation of the interview in question.
It's like seeing a person in a high-priced suit with his nose up in the air slip and fall face first in a puddle of mud that he intentionally filled for someone else at the office to slip and fall into. Except, wallowing in it afterward trying to recover and play it off at the same time.
In short, this is the exact kind of fan approach that Punk lambastes on the reg, yet haters are still holding on the "gotta be above the product" mantra that keeps dirt sheets in business. You can't just *completely* and intentionally misrepresent something boldly and full of firepower and not expect a backfire when the misrepresentation is called out.
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Post by jagilki on Jun 29, 2016 19:50:11 GMT -5
I've talked bits and pieces of this before.
I make fun of Punk for being a dick on Twitter, but that's because it's a joke. Kind of like Fat Dreamer. However, when the Punk/Cabana podcast came out I listened to it a few times and it always hit me hard. For a personal reason. The infection in his back he was complaining about with the WWE was MRSA... While listening to that interview I was laying in a hospital bed just ready to have the lower half of my leg taken off from MRSA infection. I was on deaths door just days before that. Before taking my leg off they took the front half of my foot, that was what kept me here. It gave them the few days to be ready for the rest of the amputation.
Living through that and hearing what Punk went through with the WWE Doctor, I will always stand on his side of that part of things. Won't stop me from making Bitter Punk Twitter jokes, but yeah.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jun 29, 2016 20:37:38 GMT -5
I love all the "Punk is bitter. Punk is bitter" stuff because if you listen to the Nedist stuff he did or follow his twitter when he's tweeting Chicago sports stuff and he's just a dude. It's literally only when it comes to wrestling where he comes off as "bitter"
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