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Post by Twincest on Jul 6, 2016 14:38:19 GMT -5
Bret was never really down to earth. Kevin Nash once said Bret was one of the reasons why Nash left the WWF at the time. When Nash, Hart, and Taker were talking about forming a finish to the (I forgot what ppv) match, Bret was rejecting most of the calls and spots and Undertaker got up and said "It's not always about you!" Bret is a good and safe worker, but he is a huge mark of himself, which is not good for business. Rage in the Cage maybe. Since that was Bret vs. Diesel and Taker was involved in the finish. He was right on that one IMO. Diesel didn't need to powerbomb him and have him down for the win prior to the interference. Taker could easily interfere and cost Diesel the match without bringing Bret's stock down, which to me makes more sense considering where Bret was on the card at the time.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 6, 2016 14:39:45 GMT -5
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 6, 2016 14:40:34 GMT -5
It's funny, that for the longest time, Shawn was the cocky one, while Bret seemed more down to earth. Now, the roles are reversed Bret was never really down to earth. Kevin Nash once said Bret was one of the reasons why Nash left the WWF at the time. When Nash, Hart, and Taker were talking about forming a finish to the (I forgot what ppv) match, Bret was rejecting most of the calls and spots and Undertaker got up and said "It's not always about you!" Bret is a good and safe worker, but he is a huge mark of himself, which is not good for business. Nash left the WWF because WCW pulled a dumptruck of cash up to his door, the retroactive justification that it was all Bret's fault and that Kevin Nash would have continued working 5 times the dates for a third of the money WCW offered is absolutely hilarious, as is the notion that a Kevin Nash shoot is a reliable and unbiased source. I really, really hate the 'mark for himself' line, because that line usually comes up when referring to people who have fallen afoul of the Kliq in some way shape or form, a group of people who are the biggest marks for themselves in wrestling history. You need to be a fan of your work to get anywhere near the top of a wrestling company, in the glorified fratboy world of wrestling, being a mark for oneself is the difference between having a career like Al Snow and one like Shawn Michaels. If you don't stand up for yourself and veto bad booking, you will be run into the ground by more politically savvy people quicker than you can say Invasion era Diamond Dallas Page.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 6, 2016 14:53:36 GMT -5
Rage in the Cage maybe. Since that was Bret vs. Diesel and Taker was involved in the finish. He was right on that one IMO. Diesel didn't need to powerbomb him and have him down for the win prior to the interference. Taker could easily interfere and cost Diesel the match without bringing Bret's stock down, which to me makes more sense considering where Bret was on the card at the time. Well no. In the sense of storytelling, it made sense for Nash to have him dead to rights, just like 'Taker did the month before. IMO, Nash is right about this one
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 6, 2016 14:56:02 GMT -5
He was right on that one IMO. Diesel didn't need to powerbomb him and have him down for the win prior to the interference. Taker could easily interfere and cost Diesel the match without bringing Bret's stock down, which to me makes more sense considering where Bret was on the card at the time. Well no. In the sense of storytelling, it made sense for Nash to have him dead to rights, just like 'Taker did the month before. IMO, Nash is right about this one If you read Bret's autobiography, I think that stretch of time drove him nuts, basically a sense of "So I'm the champ, but I should constantly look like I'm about to lose, because that'll improve my drawing power...somehow?" Made sense for the Diesel/Taker WM build, but definitely didn't help Bret's stock as champ.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Jul 6, 2016 14:56:33 GMT -5
He right though, Bret wears old man shoes with velcro, No laces to tie.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 6, 2016 15:01:34 GMT -5
Well no. In the sense of storytelling, it made sense for Nash to have him dead to rights, just like 'Taker did the month before. IMO, Nash is right about this one If you read Bret's autobiography, I think that stretch of time drove him nuts, basically a sense of "So I'm the champ, but I should constantly look like I'm about to lose, because that'll improve my drawing power...somehow?" Made sense for the Diesel/Taker WM build, but definitely didn't help Bret's stock as champ. Oh, I don't disagree in the overall sense. Bret's booking from January until Mania was wonky as hell. My point is that for the 'Taker/Diesel build, they pretty much *had* to do it that for the feud to have a sense of symmetry. Bret was more or less a lame duck champion anyway, as Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder could see Shawn's 'Mania title win coming a mile away
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Jul 6, 2016 15:02:54 GMT -5
He also said later in the show that he loved the Wrestlemania Arcade Game because he could have a match that was Bret Hart vs. Bret Hart. "That's like my dream". I think he's messing with us at this point. He made sure to say it in the third person. Man, I love Brett.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 6, 2016 15:04:50 GMT -5
El Dandy - 86
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Jul 6, 2016 15:06:43 GMT -5
My favorite part of his podcast is how his two sons are there for no reason other than for every once in a while when Bret says he's going to pound them in an air hockey tournament.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jul 6, 2016 15:09:04 GMT -5
Well if it's any consolation Bret is still stuck in 98 it seems like.
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Post by ICBM on Jul 6, 2016 15:09:49 GMT -5
I believe he is a mark for himself. I'm not a member of the clique either. I read his book few times now and listened to his interviews. He is in business for himself a bunch more than I notice other workers. They all have to sell themself and I truly believe that any of the boys doing shoots online or whatever, are working. But damn man Bret almost never lays off.
My opinion is HHH is top ten all time. He can work, he looks great, he has an amazing body of work and he has drawn money in three decades.
Bret is top ten all time but him putting down everyone else constantly and seemingly refusing to give credit to obviously talented workers, lessens his esteem with me
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Post by lizzurd on Jul 6, 2016 15:11:25 GMT -5
Am I reading this correctly? A video game ranking system is what instigated this outburst? Bret... c'mon, dude.
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Post by edgestar on Jul 6, 2016 15:13:02 GMT -5
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Post by canal on Jul 6, 2016 15:13:54 GMT -5
Bret was never really down to earth. Kevin Nash once said Bret was one of the reasons why Nash left the WWF at the time. When Nash, Hart, and Taker were talking about forming a finish to the (I forgot what ppv) match, Bret was rejecting most of the calls and spots and Undertaker got up and said "It's not always about you!" Bret is a good and safe worker, but he is a huge mark of himself, which is not good for business. Rage in the Cage maybe. Since that was Bret vs. Diesel and Taker was involved in the finish. That finish did make Bret look pretty weak going into defending against HBK at Mania. It was a tough one because you're not going to beat Diesel clean in a cage before he faces Taker at Mania, but Bret probably felt he was the bigger priority because his match was counted on to carry the biggest show of the year as champion, and I'd agree with him if that was the case.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 6, 2016 15:15:51 GMT -5
Well,Bret is still right
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Jul 6, 2016 15:23:28 GMT -5
Triple H is a solid B+ player.
But seriously Triple H before he even got with Stephanie had a career to be proud of, it's just it seems the last 15+ years it's like they have been pushing Triple H as one of the greatest of all time - they overplayed the importance of the DX invasion of WCW, made out Sting vs Triple H was the one dream match people wanted to see, I think even Eric Bischoff said in his time as GM of Raw that H "was the one person he wanted to sign but couldn't" (I'm going from memory so I could have misquoted). To me when they overpraise H it often comes across as somebody who is insecure and he deep down knows he's not on the level of the Flairs, Austins or The Rock's but if you keep repeating it enough it comes true.
Bret Hart complaining I've always found endearing, he just seems grumpy and is not frightened to tell you how he thinks it is.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 6, 2016 15:25:29 GMT -5
Well if it's any consolation Bret is still stuck in 98 it seems like. As is mainstream wrestling as a whole.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jul 6, 2016 15:33:01 GMT -5
Yeah that might be all well and stuff, but truth be told I've gotten a boner watching a HHH Match. So he's got at least a +1 on Bret.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 6, 2016 15:33:23 GMT -5
And he's wrong how? Bitter Internet is bitter. Aside from someone pointing out that factually, Triple H is like one point over Bret in the actual game itself (Bret 90, Triple H 91), he's spinning that parity about a not real and not grounded in reality number in a video game based on a scripted television show into a rant about how video games should "represent the reality of what the wrestling business is and was" and something about how Bruno should never be aj obber in a video game as if somehow Triple H having a large score means Bruno would be a jobber? It's all just sort of nonsense.
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