Biggest "waste of money" - RVD or Booker T

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Neither guy particularly lit the world on fire in their TNA runs. 

Hell, they created a championship for Booker that that has been reincarnated at least 3x and is still around today.

RVD put on some of his laziest work in TNA. They had him defeat AJ for the title and then literally get butchered on TV by Abyss. 

[MikeyMania]

Surely it's got to be Rob Van Dam considering they put the World Championship on him despite him only being signed for limited dates. His matches in the X Division didn't help TNA get their money's worth either.

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I think even a lazy RVD was a better fit in TNA than Booker T was. Black Snow aside, neither guy's work in TNA was really inspiring. When RVD came in the idea of RVD mixing it up with the X-division greats was a pretty exciting notion until we found out RVD was just clocking in and clocking out. With Booker I can hardly even remember much of what they did with him aside from him introducing a pretend title belt (The Legends' title) that TNA somehow decided to legitimize into the worst title with about the worst lineage of any belt I can recall.

[A Platypus Rave]

Probably Booker T.

He did not want to be there and they specifically spent money on a title to appease him.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jul 18, 2016 8:38:27 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

Probably Booker T.

He did not want to be there and they specifically spent money on a title to appease him.

That stank ass title belt is still here somehow smh. 

Crazy thing is when he first came in I always assumed it was a matter of time before they put the world title on Booker, but you can see once they had no plans for that he checked out. 

[Mayonnaise]

RVD easily. Gave him the world title, took it off him in the dumbest way possible to appease his ego and made him second to Abyss when it dealt with Hogan. Despite all of that not only did he not give a f***, not only did he do far less than half ass it but he buried the entire company doing media that was supposed to promote the company.

[A Platypus Rave]

Jul 18, 2016 8:58:06 GMT -5 Mayonnaise said:

RVD easily. Gave him the world title, took it off him in the dumbest way possible to appease his ego

Wasn't that because TNA squandered his dates?

Since his contract listed him as having X number of dates and they blew through them immediately.

[cabbageboy]

Booker easily. I saw him at a 2009 house show and he phoned in a crap match with Rhino. Booker didn't care at all in TNA.

Van Dam actually WAS good in TNA...for a while. Most of his 2010 stuff is quite good in TNA and I'd say his title win over Styles (and the previous match with Jeff) might rank as the best episode of Impact ever. In fact I'd say Impact when he had the title was usually better than Raw most of the time. At least the show had a different, more wrestling oriented feel, which of course they screwed up big time with the entire "Abyss kills RVD" angle and the Immortal nonsense.

That said, as time went on you could just tell RVD stopped caring. Given the way he was booked, how could he care? How could anyone? The entire idiotic EV 2.0 mole storyline that made him look like a moron, feuding with an out of shape Matt Hardy, anything to do with Ken Anderson, the whole dreadful way he was booked in the BFG Series in 2011 (Jerry Lynn costing him matches), and his basically non existent 2012. I'm a huge fan of the guy but by 2012 I just wanted him to leave TNA since he had been so buried by bad booking. Ironically I wonder if the initial 2013 plan for RVD with the X title was to hold it and cash in on Bully Ray, but then his new deal fell apart and he left TNA.

[Mayonnaise]

Jul 18, 2016 9:03:06 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

Jul 18, 2016 8:58:06 GMT -5 Mayonnaise said:

RVD easily. Gave him the world title, took it off him in the dumbest way possible to appease his ego

Wasn't that because TNA squandered his dates?

Since his contract listed him as having X number of dates and they blew through them immediately.

Possibly but they could still have had him pinned or something, then murdered instead of murdered, stripped of the belt and back a few weeks later with nothing wrong.

[A Platypus Rave]

Jul 18, 2016 9:07:16 GMT -5 Mayonnaise said:

Jul 18, 2016 9:03:06 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

Wasn't that because TNA squandered his dates?

Since his contract listed him as having X number of dates and they blew through them immediately.

Possibly but they could still have had him pinned or something, then murdered instead of murdered, stripped of the belt and back a few weeks later with nothing wrong.

with him returning from the murder before they even crowned the next champion.

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I'd say RVD in terms of investment. With Booker T, you were essentially hiring a whiny prima donna whom you had to cater in a vain attempt to make him tolerable, but they weren't planning on doing anything big with him. With RVD, you had him win the belt on his first night in... unannounced and without any build!

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jul 18, 2016 9:03:06 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

Jul 18, 2016 8:58:06 GMT -5 Mayonnaise said:

RVD easily. Gave him the world title, took it off him in the dumbest way possible to appease his ego

Wasn't that because TNA squandered his dates?

Since his contract listed him as having X number of dates and they blew through them immediately.

I believe this is correct.

Tho why they didn't have him lose the title but instead murder him on TV I don't know. 

[Crow Dust]

Jul 18, 2016 9:12:14 GMT -5 @jdogindy said:

I'd say RVD in terms of investment. With Booker T, you were essentially hiring a whiny prima donna whom you had to cater in a vain attempt to make him tolerable, but they weren't planning on doing anything big with him. With RVD, you had him win the belt on his first night in... unannounced and without any build!

No it was few months after his debut remember he debuted beat Heel Sting then Sting murdered him for a half hour.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jul 18, 2016 9:47:14 GMT -5 Crow Dust said:

Jul 18, 2016 9:12:14 GMT -5 @jdogindy said:

I'd say RVD in terms of investment. With Booker T, you were essentially hiring a whiny prima donna whom you had to cater in a vain attempt to make him tolerable, but they weren't planning on doing anything big with him. With RVD, you had him win the belt on his first night in... unannounced and without any build!

No it was few months after his debut remember he debuted beat Heel Sting then Sting murdered him for a half hour.

RVD beat Sting in 10 secs and then proceeded to get his ass whooped for 10 mins. 

[A Platypus Rave]

Jul 18, 2016 9:47:14 GMT -5 Crow Dust said:

Jul 18, 2016 9:12:14 GMT -5 @jdogindy said:

I'd say RVD in terms of investment. With Booker T, you were essentially hiring a whiny prima donna whom you had to cater in a vain attempt to make him tolerable, but they weren't planning on doing anything big with him. With RVD, you had him win the belt on his first night in... unannounced and without any build!

No it was few months after his debut remember he debuted beat Heel Sting then Sting murdered him for a half hour.

and they ruined the surprise opponent by having Tenay and Tazz make forced "420" jokes before the commercial break.

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Jul 18, 2016 9:50:33 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Jul 18, 2016 9:47:14 GMT -5 Crow Dust said:

No it was few months after his debut remember he debuted beat Heel Sting then Sting murdered him for a half hour.

RVD beat Sting in 10 secs and then proceeded to get his ass whooped for 10 mins. 

Did RVD "beat" Sting or was it just a DQ because Sting was beating the hell out of him? I can't remember. I honestly forgot that this was RVD's debut, what stupid booking.

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Jul 18, 2016 9:52:00 GMT -5 @nichotine said:

Jul 18, 2016 9:50:33 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

RVD beat Sting in 10 secs and then proceeded to get his ass whooped for 10 mins. 

Did RVD "beat" Sting or was it just a DQ because Sting was beating the hell out of him? I can't remember. I honestly forgot that this was RVD's debut, what stupid booking.

RVD beat him with Rolling Thunder. Not even a Frog Splash, with f***ing Rolling Thunder. 

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jul 18, 2016 9:52:00 GMT -5 @nichotine said:

Jul 18, 2016 9:50:33 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

RVD beat Sting in 10 secs and then proceeded to get his ass whooped for 10 mins. 

Did RVD "beat" Sting or was it just a DQ because Sting was beating the hell out of him? I can't remember. I honestly forgot that this was RVD's debut, what stupid booking.

Na RVD beat Sting by pinfall.

They did some quick bullshit then Sting got up and beat the hell out of him. 

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jul 18, 2016 9:53:32 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

Jul 18, 2016 9:52:00 GMT -5 @nichotine said:

Did RVD "beat" Sting or was it just a DQ because Sting was beating the hell out of him? I can't remember. I honestly forgot that this was RVD's debut, what stupid booking.

RVD beat him with Rolling Thunder. Not even a Frog Splash, with f***ing Rolling Thunder. 

If only Sting had the powers of reversal like Randy. 

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Jul 18, 2016 9:53:32 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

Jul 18, 2016 9:52:00 GMT -5 @nichotine said:

Did RVD "beat" Sting or was it just a DQ because Sting was beating the hell out of him? I can't remember. I honestly forgot that this was RVD's debut, what stupid booking.

RVD beat him with Rolling Thunder. Not even a Frog Splash, with f***ing Rolling Thunder. 

Fascinating. Wrestling companies would be so smart to document the making of every show they make. I would pay so much money to see the work behind a segment like that taking place, whose idea it was, how many people this was ran by who didn't seem to mind it, how they felt afterwards.

What are the odds that the agent involved just didn't know RVD's move names well enough, RVD didn't care enough to correct him, and Sting was just too nice to say anything.