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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 26, 2016 20:38:55 GMT -5
In regards to the Lesnar issue. It is being presumed that he will not be suspended after he failed multiple test. Does this open up a can of worms about all their part timers not being tested? With the recent lawsuits and everything else going on, it is to be determined if former wrestlers will bite on to this saying WWE is being negligent?
I don't expect to much of an uproar for WWE in the court room but it will be interesting. Do you have a problem if WWE doesn't "suspend" or reprimand Lesnar in some way or fashion?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 26, 2016 20:56:19 GMT -5
I don't have a problem (or at least a big one) with it but I do think it is a horrible thing to let out. Simon Dean and Billy Gunn lost their jobs after getting busted even though they were not under the Wellness Policy, while Brock will walk into multi-million dollar payday. I know suspension won't mean anything since he isn't around for 30 straight days but just seems weird to let him off with the news out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 20:58:49 GMT -5
Honestly I'm sure they're figuring it'll just blow over. Pretty much relying on the fact that at the end of the day the media really doesn't care about wrestling at all.
Still scummy as hell though, and a case where Brock absolutely should be punished.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 26, 2016 21:07:54 GMT -5
I don't have a problem (or at least a big one) with it but I do think it is a horrible thing to let out. Simon Dean and Billy Gunn lost their jobs after getting busted even though they were not under the Wellness Policy, while Brock will walk into multi-million dollar payday. I know suspension won't mean anything since he isn't around for 30 straight days but just seems weird to let him off with the news out. The fact that this suspension with Brock is public is what could bite them in the ass I do wonder if Vince is pissed at Brock tho, then again I doubt Brock cares if Vince is pissed He will only care if his money is messed with. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 26, 2016 21:10:44 GMT -5
Even I, a huge Brock mark, am wondering what that dude has over em that they just fold like an origami class when it comes to him by now.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 26, 2016 21:10:52 GMT -5
Not necessarily, UFC and USADA hasn't done anything to Brock yet, so WWE could just say "They didn't do anything to him, so we're not going to do anything."
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 26, 2016 21:16:54 GMT -5
Even I, a huge Brock mark, am wondering what that dude has over em that they just fold like an origami class when it comes to him by now. I would assume WWE is under the mindset of well we have him so no one else can Doesn't explain them bending over backwards for him He can't go back to UFC, where the hell he going Bellator? Ewww |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 26, 2016 21:17:55 GMT -5
It would take a strong public backlash to change their policy and I do not see that happening. Brock will be forced to effectively retire from MMA and no one in the mainstream will really care that he still wrestles. I actually think the recent issues plaguing the UFC might even hurt pushes for more extensive testing. USADA is cleaning up the UFC but they are losing big name fighters left and right for two years. If they lost Brock before the PPV - they would have lost a ton of money. If I am a WWE investor, I want our draws (and some guys are draws to some extent) in the ring and not at home waiting for their suspension to end.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 26, 2016 21:20:13 GMT -5
Even I, a huge Brock mark, am wondering what that dude has over em that they just fold like an origami class when it comes to him by now. I would assume WWE is under the mindset of well we have him so no one else can Doesn't explain them bending over backwards for him He can't go back to UFC, where the hell he going Bellator? Ewww At some point, even without the PED thing, I think he'll just go back to the farm, and you'll never hear from him again. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 26, 2016 21:22:52 GMT -5
I would assume WWE is under the mindset of well we have him so no one else can Doesn't explain them bending over backwards for him He can't go back to UFC, where the hell he going Bellator? Ewww At some point, even without the PED thing, I think he'll just go back to the farm, and you'll never hear from him again. That's for sure. He basically lives off the grid anyway. I only see Brock throwing a fit if his money is f*** with but that UFC money is up in the air with the association I believe. WWE will let him run out his contract and he will just go home to his farm. |
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 26, 2016 21:26:24 GMT -5
I don't have a problem (or at least a big one) with it but I do think it is a horrible thing to let out. Simon Dean and Billy Gunn lost their jobs after getting busted even though they were not under the Wellness Policy, while Brock will walk into multi-million dollar payday. I know suspension won't mean anything since he isn't around for 30 straight days but just seems weird to let him off with the news out. The fact that this suspension with Brock is public is what could bite them in the ass I do wonder if Vince is pissed at Brock tho, then again I doubt Brock cares if Vince is pissed He will only care if his money is messed with. I don't see the general public caring, I think if there is any backlash it will come from the wrestlers first but not like they have a way to fight it. It is one thing for Rock to come in work 2 matches and not be subject to the policy but another for Brock to work so much more and not be. It there might be some blowback from fans and wrestling media but it won't go anywhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 21:27:56 GMT -5
Honestly I think the worst case scenario is WWE's hand is forced and they go "fine, we'll suspend/fine him." I don't think anyone scrutinizing will care to pursue them further than that.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 26, 2016 21:30:33 GMT -5
Even I, a huge Brock mark, am wondering what that dude has over em that they just fold like an origami class when it comes to him by now. ...he makes them a shitton of money? |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 26, 2016 22:00:27 GMT -5
The fact that this suspension with Brock is public is what could bite them in the ass I do wonder if Vince is pissed at Brock tho, then again I doubt Brock cares if Vince is pissed He will only care if his money is messed with. I don't see the general public caring, I think if there is any backlash it will come from the wrestlers first but not like they have a way to fight it. It is one thing for Rock to come in work 2 matches and not be subject to the policy but another for Brock to work so much more and not be. It there might be some blowback from fans and wrestling media but it won't go anywhere. Nah general public could care less. The boys in the back, sure. Everyone knows certain people get preferable treatment but when you throw it in their face like this i'm pretty sure they are going to be pissed. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 26, 2016 22:03:33 GMT -5
Even I, a huge Brock mark, am wondering what that dude has over em that they just fold like an origami class when it comes to him by now. ...he makes them a shitton of money? But does he really? WWE killed the idea of buyrates when they started the Network. |
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 26, 2016 23:05:18 GMT -5
...he makes them a shitton of money? But does he really? WWE killed the idea of buyrates when they started the Network. There's tons of other revenue streams out there. Merchandise is one. Subscriptions to the Network is another. I mean, they put Brock on the cover of 2K17. If it outsells 2K16 with no major improvements, they can point to Brock as being a major factor. I don't know if they've released the numbers for UFC 200, but I'm sure that fight, along with the hype, made them a ton of money. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 27, 2016 2:42:02 GMT -5
Hot water is a relative term. I don't think anyone with the power to put WWE in real "hot water" is really going to care if Lesnar works fake wrestling matches. Maybe another class action lawsuit pops up somewhere.
On the other hand, I've noticed they kept all real Lesnar mentions to video packages without anyone saying his name live. There might be some interesting crowd chants when we get to this match in front of one of the smarkiest crowds of the year, but that's probably the worst that will come out of this.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 27, 2016 2:51:58 GMT -5
Are WWE legally obligated to punish Lesnar since after all, he didn't fail one of THEIR tests. I figure they might use that as an excuse to keep him around.
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Post by avenger on Jul 27, 2016 3:02:14 GMT -5
Are WWE legally obligated to punish Lesnar since after all, he didn't fail one of THEIR tests. I figure they might use that as an excuse to keep him around. Neither did Billy Gunn. By all accounts, Lesnar is paid by appearance, and has a set number of appearances stated in his contract, so it's effectively impossibe to punish him, without fining him. One thing they've done in the past (and didn't do with Reigns), is suspend talent immediately.They can suspend him for 30 days after Summerslam. That way, he's been treated the same as other talent. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 27, 2016 3:29:14 GMT -5
Are WWE legally obligated to punish Lesnar since after all, he didn't fail one of THEIR tests. I figure they might use that as an excuse to keep him around. Neither did Billy Gunn. By all accounts, Lesnar is paid by appearance, and has a set number of appearances stated in his contract, so it's effectively impossibe to punish him, without fining him. One thing they've done in the past (and didn't do with Reigns), is suspend talent immediately.They can suspend him for 30 days after Summerslam. That way, he's been treated the same as other talent. I fail to see how suspending a guy who disappears for three months at a time even works. It's like giving a kid home suspension for skipping school. |
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