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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 30, 2016 16:40:32 GMT -5
Yes, but it doesn't matter because they aren't willing to book them as megastars.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Jul 30, 2016 17:04:48 GMT -5
Heath Slater, if one of the brands would just sign the damn guy...
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jul 30, 2016 17:19:29 GMT -5
Yes, but it doesn't matter because they aren't willing to book them as megastars. I think this is the truth unfortunately. Daniel Bryan in the YES! era was getting reactions that would've given 1998 Steve Austin and 2000 Rock a run for their money, and they chose not to go with it for a long long time. They basically got forced into going with him due to circumstances. Granted we don't know what would've happened if Bryan stayed healthy. You also have the problem nowadays that many of the people that are universally over are people who are perceived to be "held down" by management. Part of the appeal in cheering for them is the idea that they aren't "supposed" to make it. I don't know how you retain that sentiment for years while getting a Steve Austin-esque push.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 17:53:32 GMT -5
Face Rollins is going to be huge when he turns.
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Post by Juice on Jul 30, 2016 18:19:48 GMT -5
Ops definition of the term qualifies a guy like The Miz to already be megastar. He is known and recoginizable away from the ring. Is in movies, and don't tell me hallmark christmas movies don't count. That is the type of crossover that company wants. Chris Jericho and other podcasters are the ones that are closest to it otherwise. He guys who are beibg successful outside of the medium.
Cody Rhodes is about to land some killer hollywood cred from Arrow. I wouldn't doubt a dc or marvel movie role.
Speaking if op neglected Batista who is basically the second most successful wrestler turned actor.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 30, 2016 18:26:23 GMT -5
Seriously, it's her. I came here to post this, she has almost no ceiling if done correctly. Bigger than Cena is easy. That said, we live in a day and age where no one is bigger than the product, and they make sure of it.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Jul 30, 2016 18:28:44 GMT -5
Came here to post about Bayley. She's going to be as big as Cena if they handle her correctly. She's wrestling's next crossover star. The window is small and is closing very fast to make that happen. Hopefully they don't completely miss it No, it's not. They can bring her back any time and she'll get a mega reaction because she's so popular and relatable. Just like Daniel Bryan.
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Post by Yacht Persona on Jul 30, 2016 18:28:51 GMT -5
Randy Savage was a megastar, OP. He's probably the most remembered and recognized wrestler next to Hogan.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 30, 2016 18:35:21 GMT -5
The WWE want Superstars (TM) not megastars, they would rather have a roster of Randy Ortons than anyone who shines so bright they get noticed by the mainstream because they will up and leave to go work places where they'll be treated better.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jul 30, 2016 18:39:44 GMT -5
Roman Reigns. Don't you hear his reactions? Love him or hate him (and apparently he was absolutely universally LOVED at a recent WWE Live Event) he gets a reaction AND THATS WHAT MAKES A MEGASTAR MAGGLE.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 30, 2016 19:08:42 GMT -5
Enzo, maybe.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jul 30, 2016 19:11:52 GMT -5
I think Sami Zayn COULD be, but I don't know if he's GOING to be.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 30, 2016 19:11:58 GMT -5
I just don't think wrestling is cool enough for it to really work at this point in time. Look at John Cena; he's taking off now, sure, but he was a name a lot of people knew as "the wrestler who raps" for years before the meme happened. But it's always been through a somewhat mocking filter because wrestling is simply not perceived as a cool thing right now. What he has going for him is longevity and coming into his role ahead of the steeper ratings declines since the end of the last boom period. Which is the thing; Rock, Austin, and Hogan were all household names due to boom periods, and save for the recent works of The Rock, none of them were able to really parlay that stardom into much success outside of WWE. In an era where Raw is circling around the 3 million mark and can always slip under that at a moment's notice, nobody has enough of a platform to ever do that. Even if you put guys like The Miz into a TV movie and say "it's WWE superstar The Miz!" it's not going to make him a big name, nor is it going to give him the level of iconic association with pro wrestling that the actual megastars of the past had.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 19:20:11 GMT -5
I just don't think wrestling is cool enough for it to really work at this point in time. Look at John Cena; he's taking off now, sure, but he was a name a lot of people knew as "the wrestler who raps" for years before the meme happened. But it's always been through a somewhat mocking filter because wrestling is simply not perceived as a cool thing right now. What he has going for him is longevity and coming into his role ahead of the steeper ratings declines since the end of the last boom period. Which is the thing; Rock, Austin, and Hogan were all household names due to boom periods, and save for the recent works of The Rock, none of them were able to really parlay that stardom into much success outside of WWE. In an era where Raw is circling around the 3 million mark and can always slip under that at a moment's notice, nobody has enough of a platform to ever do that. Even if you put guys like The Miz into a TV movie and say "it's WWE superstar The Miz!" it's not going to make him a big name, nor is it going to give him the level of iconic association with pro wrestling that the actual megastars of the past had. Back then Austin,Rock and those megastars brought in a whole new audience to go along with the Wres-A-Ling fans heck my grandma loved wrestling back then and now she doesn't watch(she's dead) but if they pushed that right stars she may comeback.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Jul 30, 2016 19:21:40 GMT -5
Seriously, it's her. Yep. The next megastar on the roster is a woman. I can see Bayley or Sasha Banks having the crossover appeal of Cena but not quite Rock levels; but even most MOVIE stars won't reach Rock levels so yeah.
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Post by radiantsilvergun on Jul 30, 2016 19:45:27 GMT -5
The window is small and is closing very fast to make that happen. Hopefully they don't completely miss it No, it's not. They can bring her back any time and she'll get a mega reaction because she's so popular and relatable. Just like Daniel Bryan. Negative. Time is of the essence here. twitter.com/davemeltzerwon/status/745788607038783488
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 19:47:49 GMT -5
I just don't think wrestling is cool enough for it to really work at this point in time. Look at John Cena; he's taking off now, sure, but he was a name a lot of people knew as "the wrestler who raps" for years before the meme happened. But it's always been through a somewhat mocking filter because wrestling is simply not perceived as a cool thing right now. What he has going for him is longevity and coming into his role ahead of the steeper ratings declines since the end of the last boom period. Which is the thing; Rock, Austin, and Hogan were all household names due to boom periods, and save for the recent works of The Rock, none of them were able to really parlay that stardom into much success outside of WWE. In an era where Raw is circling around the 3 million mark and can always slip under that at a moment's notice, nobody has enough of a platform to ever do that. Even if you put guys like The Miz into a TV movie and say "it's WWE superstar The Miz!" it's not going to make him a big name, nor is it going to give him the level of iconic association with pro wrestling that the actual megastars of the past had. Yeah but of the big four, the Rock is really the only legitimate movie star. Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin became household names but they still mostly thrived in the wrestling bubble. Hulk had movies but people went to those movies to see Hulk Hogan, and Steve Austin was never a movie draw but he still constitutes mega star status. Doesn't have to be a multimedia superstar, guys like Austin can be so gigantic in the wrestling world they become household names. I don't think it's unfathomable that said person exists today that can find himself as a performer, start drawing tickets and define how business operates today. Austin pulled WWF out of worse slumps. Steve Austin had to make wrestling cool, and that would be the objective of the next "guy." For a time I thought, and still think that WWE would benefit from revamping their creative universe in a way that allows for a little more in ring comedy. Like DDT/Chikara level surreal comedy. Like Joey Ryan's been building a reputation almost exclusively on his balls of steel. Chikara went viral with that hypnotist spot. Embrace the absurdity a little more, don't have to go balls to the wall with everything, but stuff like the Final Deletion where it exists in its own little universe, it's absurd and it's clearly yielding results for TNA. If they could keep peppering the internet with enough well done comedy spots that go viral, it could eventually lead casuals who like it to feel compelled to catch this stuff in real time. Probably not a "boom period" worthy concept but if I'm WWE I'd see that Joey Ryan/Broke Matt stuff that gains traction and want my piece of the pie. WWE's not consistent when it comes to comedy though but I think it's a more valuable way to go viral than trending on twitter their other social networking attempts.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jul 31, 2016 0:53:09 GMT -5
Speaking if op neglected Batista who is basically the second most successful wrestler turned actor. El Santo disagrees. So does Blue Demon, Mil Mascaras and Mike Mazurki.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 1:00:50 GMT -5
Seriously, it's her.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 1:02:44 GMT -5
No, it's not. They can bring her back any time and she'll get a mega reaction because she's so popular and relatable. Just like Daniel Bryan. Negative. Time is of the essence here. Great Power Spooky is right. That's Meltzer's opinion but what he's referring to is comparing Bayley to Cena. Bayley isn't Cena, she's her own character and unlike Cena, who's pretty much been playing the same guy these past 10 years, Bayley's actually evolved her character over the years. See Bayley in 2013 and look at her each year, she's been changing and adapting and along the way she gained more fans. Common sense says she'll continue to change and evolve through the years unlike Cena who's still doing the same thing. So yeah, you read that completely wrong. Meltzer's comment was referring to the Cena comparison and the character Cena is, that's the whole point of him saying "different character" there. And yes, Bayley is a future megastar, she's got it. WWE officials (according to WON which Meltzer himself writes) even said they see Bayley as potentially being the biggest female star in WWE history.
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