Legion
Fry's dog Seymour
Amy Pond's #1 fan
Hail Hydra!
Posts: 22,715
|
Post by Legion on Aug 21, 2016 11:31:49 GMT -5
Depends how they do it. You could actually argue they have been doing it for years. The divas have had numerous lesbian storylines, Goldust was a character where the Q word could apply for a multitude of reasons and they've never really been shy about oiling up guys in tight trunks and selling a shit ton of pictures - which is pretty gay really I should imagine the more interesting thing with this sort of thing will be the backstage stories it generates. I cant imagine all of the wrestlers being the most open minded, either being told they have to play gay or be played as the interest for a gay character. AJ Styles and his 'GAY COMMUNITY?!?!' interview springs to mind. I just hope they avoid using the Q word. It isn't appropriated, it's insulting. It's plenty appropriated for plenty of people. It shouldnt be. It's an insult. It clearly tries to tell me that I'm weird and abnormal and should just accept that. No. I refuse. It is not appropriated in my household and never will be and I will call out anyone using it for deeply insulting me.
|
|
|
Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 21, 2016 11:34:57 GMT -5
It's plenty appropriated for plenty of people. It shouldnt be. It's an insult. It clearly tries to tell me that I'm weird and abnormal and should just accept that. No. I refuse. It is not appropriated in my household and never will be and I will call out anyone using it for deeply insulting me. And I would never apply it to you, because nobody should be applied a label they don't want regardless of what about them that label is referring to. That said, myself and a good number of other people are perfectly fine with applying it as a label. Saying it's not appropriated isn't a matter of opinion, it's factually incorrect. Plenty of people don't like it, plenty of people do, just like black people and the particular slur applied to them. Its meaning evolved into a slur from not being one, and it can just as easily evolve out of being one as long as English is still a living language.
|
|
FinalGwen
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Particularly fond of muffins.
Posts: 16,428
|
Post by FinalGwen on Aug 21, 2016 11:44:41 GMT -5
It's plenty appropriated for plenty of people. It shouldnt be. It's an insult. It clearly tries to tell me that I'm weird and abnormal and should just accept that. No. I refuse. It is not appropriated in my household and never will be and I will call out anyone using it for deeply insulting me. Half the terms used for people in the LGBT community are weaponised slurs or psychiatric evaluations. People are only barely getting over their habit of calling anything they dislike 'Gay' as if it's the most damning label that can be put on something. But that gets spread around and used as a blanket description for 'gay marriage/gay pride/etc' despite excluding 90% of the community, while 'Queer' (a term vague enough that it can be utilised by vast sections of the LGBT+ umbrella) gets treated as irredeemable despite having been reclaimed by the community literally decades ago. And yes, if you don't want to be referred to as it, that's absolutely your choice, and if anyone does refer to you as such, they are most definitely at fault. But there are a lot of people for whom it's at the center of their self-identification, and they can't be erased because people don't like it. There's a reason LGBTQ exists as a term.
|
|
|
Post by cageking666 on Aug 21, 2016 11:46:41 GMT -5
I can't wait to see Jericho washing KO's back next week. RATINGS!!!
|
|
Legion
Fry's dog Seymour
Amy Pond's #1 fan
Hail Hydra!
Posts: 22,715
|
Post by Legion on Aug 21, 2016 11:47:25 GMT -5
It shouldnt be. It's an insult. It clearly tries to tell me that I'm weird and abnormal and should just accept that. No. I refuse. It is not appropriated in my household and never will be and I will call out anyone using it for deeply insulting me. And I would never apply it to you, because nobody should be applied a label they don't want regardless of what about them that label is referring to. That said, myself and a good number of other people are perfectly fine with applying it as a label. Saying it's not appropriated isn't a matter of opinion, it's factually incorrect. Plenty of people don't like it, plenty of people do, just like black people and the particular slur applied to them. Its meaning evolved into a slur from not being one, and it can just as easily evolve out of being one as long as English is still a living language. Which is fine, accept for the fact that in this case, the word isn't getting some special privilege as akin to the N word. The word was always a slur, and has been re-appropriated by a certain section of that community as word for their community, which is still deeply offensive when used by others. In the case of the Q word, it just reinforces because it wasnt a new word created for a purpose, it was a word with a meaning and people wanted to use that meaning to apply to others. That meaning remains so using it, and worst, seeing it now being used as a catch all PC term across numerous sites, both LGBT and nominally 'straight,' just indicates to the wider world that LGBT people see themselves as queer, so it's ok to think of them as different and some what weird. How is that helpful? When a word across a community is divisive and hurtful still to a section of that community, it should not be used and seemingly rammed in as 'the choice word' to use as a catch all. It isn't appropriated until it has the same reverence and power that other appropriate words, like the N word, have. This word is going completely the other way. People need to stop feeling lumping everyone together is fine. It isnt. Catch all words like this do not help.
|
|
|
Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 21, 2016 11:56:42 GMT -5
And I would never apply it to you, because nobody should be applied a label they don't want regardless of what about them that label is referring to. That said, myself and a good number of other people are perfectly fine with applying it as a label. Saying it's not appropriated isn't a matter of opinion, it's factually incorrect. Plenty of people don't like it, plenty of people do, just like black people and the particular slur applied to them. Its meaning evolved into a slur from not being one, and it can just as easily evolve out of being one as long as English is still a living language. Which is fine, accept for the fact that in this case, the word isn't getting some special privilege as akin to the N word. The word was always a slur, and has been re-appropriated by a certain section of that community as word for their community, which is still deeply offensive when used by others. In the case of the Q word, it just reinforces because it wasnt a new word created for a purpose, it was a word with a meaning and people wanted to use that meaning to apply to others. That meaning remains so using it, and worst, seeing it now being used as a catch all PC term across numerous sites, both LGBT and nominally 'straight,' just indicates to the wider world that LGBT people see themselves as queer, so it's ok to think of them as different and some what weird. How is that helpful? When a word across a community is divisive and hurtful still to a section of that community, it should not be used and seemingly rammed in as 'the choice word' to use as a catch all. It isn't appropriated until it has the same reverence and power that other appropriate words, like the N word, have. This word is going completely the other way. People need to stop feeling lumping everyone together is fine. It isnt. Catch all words like this do not help. I see your point - although I also think the n-word is more divisive than you give it credit for - but I think this is also partially a matter of perception of the community being different between you and me. Obviously there are differences among the LGBT+ community, but for me, the use of the q-word as a catch-all serves a couple of functions; for me personally, it's an easy way to define myself without having to go into all the different trapdoors there are in gender and sexuality when you meet people who don't understand there being more than two genders; it's an umbrella term that applies to everyone who is non-cis and non-hetero, which saves time on listing out the whole acronym every time it's discussed and also means nobody is excluded from that; and for me, it has a sense of unity to it. That sense of unity to me though, is clearly lumping everyone together to you, which is fine. I'm one of those people who would rather we didn't need to bother labelling ourselves at all and could just care about who we are rather than what we are. Of course at the moment, life is not that simple and it may never be. My associates in the LGBT+ community are fine with it as a word because we're all so active in railing against all kinds of -phobias and -isms that the actual words used themselves have become irrelevant to us. I don't get hurt by the words of bigots (which I understand is a luxury) because that's what they want, but then this is also partially because the q-word wasn't the main bullying term when I was at school, the homophobic f-word was.
|
|
The Heenan Family
Unicron
I'm a legend in this sport. If you don't believe me, ask me.
Posts: 2,566
|
Post by The Heenan Family on Aug 22, 2016 21:27:28 GMT -5
Johnny Knockout
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 21:28:36 GMT -5
Yeah, that was basically exactly what I was expecting.
|
|
|
Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Aug 22, 2016 21:29:21 GMT -5
Welp. Can't say I expected much else
|
|
|
Post by blake6905 on Aug 22, 2016 21:29:56 GMT -5
Lol Jesus Christ
|
|
JCBaggee
Hank Scorpio
Writer, streamer. I used to write for CBR but then they fired everyone who cared about their writers
Posts: 6,783
|
Post by JCBaggee on Aug 22, 2016 21:30:37 GMT -5
BIG. SWEATY. MEN.
"Yeah, that's how they talk. You would know, right?" - Vince "What? Ugh, I have got to get a haircut." - Styles
|
|
|
Post by Mayonnaise on Aug 22, 2016 21:30:57 GMT -5
They cannot be stupid enough now to script that line.
Sigh, I know they are.
|
|
|
Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Aug 22, 2016 21:32:01 GMT -5
They cannot be stupid enough now to script that line. You mean the show that still uses Bert and Ernie jokes?
|
|
|
Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Aug 22, 2016 21:32:13 GMT -5
They cannot be stupid enough now to script that line. Sigh, I know they are. You really think they let a local job guy go out and ad lib? That was pure Vince.
|
|