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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 8, 2016 9:37:14 GMT -5
I'm cool with hunting. I think anyone who eats meat but cries foul on hunting is a hypocrite. I hate online harassment and social media discourse in general. She put it out there so people can comment, but the way people choose to do it is usually a helluva lot angrier and more exaggerated than they'd be in person. I'm against hunting endangered or threatened species. There's simply no need outside of "look at this cool thing I killed!" and that's not a good enough reason to kill something that is scarce. Put all those in a blender, that's how I feel. Probably the strongest on thinking it's wrong to kill endangered/threatened species for fun. I think there's a massive difference in eating meat from animals that are bred for that purpose and putting a bullet between the eyes of a giraffe. How so though, an animal is still dying, even if you aren't directly responsible
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Sept 8, 2016 9:45:49 GMT -5
I have absolutely no problem with this. As long as it was legal and responsible, good for her. Quite often hunting is an necessary part of animal conservation.
Poaching is monstrous, however. There's a difference between the two.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Sept 8, 2016 10:09:20 GMT -5
I'm cool with hunting. I think anyone who eats meat but cries foul on hunting is a hypocrite. I hate online harassment and social media discourse in general. She put it out there so people can comment, but the way people choose to do it is usually a helluva lot angrier and more exaggerated than they'd be in person. I'm against hunting endangered or threatened species. There's simply no need outside of "look at this cool thing I killed!" and that's not a good enough reason to kill something that is scarce. Put all those in a blender, that's how I feel. Probably the strongest on thinking it's wrong to kill endangered/threatened species for fun. I think there's a massive difference in eating meat from animals that are bred for that purpose and putting a bullet between the eyes of a giraffe. Of those two things, I'd argue the former is much more inhumane than the latter in many cases. (Though obviously it's not completely black and white for either) Would you rather have food from an animal that had a free life in the wild or one that was subjected to a life of hell in crowded cages only to be killed shortly after it reaches slaughter size? Personally, I'd argue that the former is a more natural way of things while the latter is infinitely more problematic. Seeing the dog meat markets over here is particularly upsetting, but it also happens with more common animals like pigs, chicken, cattle, etc.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Sept 8, 2016 10:19:47 GMT -5
Who teaches their 12 year old kid to murder things for fun?
Oh right, psychos.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Sept 8, 2016 10:28:06 GMT -5
Who teaches their 12 year old kid to murder things for fun? Oh right, psychos. And pretty much every family I've ever known. But yeah, we'll go with psychos.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Sept 8, 2016 13:11:59 GMT -5
I don't really mind hunting if you're going to eat the animal afterwards (after all, it's no different than fishing then) or population control, but trophy hunters get no respect or sympathy from me. Is there any veracity to the "we killed the giraffe for food and fed 800 orphans!" story? Sounds way too "white savior" to be believable out of hand. Why? There are many hunters in the US and elsewhere that do things like Hunters for the Hungry www.h4hungry.org/tacaa.org/hunters-for-the-hungryThat seems like an extension of that. They get the "thrill" of a big game hunt and people get the food. I have no doubt that such initiatives exist but this story still does seem off: first, as big as giraffes can be, feeding 800 people, even children, with one of them isn't happening. Second, what "village" has 800 orphans? I know things can be tough in Africa but I doubt any village has enough orphans to create a new village on their own. Third, is eating giraffe meat even a thing? Anywhere? Oh and most zebra races are also protected so that may be two endangered species killed by these people. I'm not denying that some of those messages are going too far (and I can't really blame the kid, but her father, that's a different story) but no-one is gonna make me feel sorry for posh White guys going to Africa to indulge in animal cruelty having to face consequences for their actions. I swear, whining about people finding it morally objectionable to kill animals for entertainment has got to be the most stereotypically "entitled first-World asshole" thing to do. TL;DR: all involved are assholes. Is it really considered "hunting" if you are killing something 25 feet tall, weighing several tonnes, with a high powered rifle, in the middle of the open savannah? I can only imagine the cunning skills and stealthy tactics required to find such an elusive target that even a child can kill. That's one of my many issues with this type of behaviour. You're not really hunting when you're staying in a safe spot hundreds of metres away and use a ludicrously expensive tool designed to make killing as easy as possible, are you? You're clicking to make things die. Want to be a genuine hunter who actually has a reason to brag about overcoming wild animals? Grab a spear and give the animal a sporting chance. And you'll still be the asshole because you're the one attacking the animal unprovoked so don't come crying if they gore you in self-defence. ...who the hell cares. Seriously. People been shooting shit for as long as there has been shit to shoot. If that's what she enjoys. Good for her. A dead giraffe is going to have ZERO consequences for anyone here. Also a dead zebra. Who the hell cares. How about caring out of basic human decency? You know, not making animals suffer solely for amusement? And considering giraffe and zebra populations are declining, yeah, I'd say there are consequences for it. I think there's a massive difference in eating meat from animals that are bred for that purpose and putting a bullet between the eyes of a giraffe. How so though, an animal is still dying, even if you aren't directly responsible Killing an animal for meat has a point. Killing an animal just to brag about it is gratuitous cruelty.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Sept 8, 2016 13:28:30 GMT -5
I don't really mind hunting if you're going to eat the animal afterwards (after all, it's no different than fishing then) or population control, but trophy hunters get no respect or sympathy from me. Why? There are many hunters in the US and elsewhere that do things like Hunters for the Hungry www.h4hungry.org/tacaa.org/hunters-for-the-hungryThat seems like an extension of that. They get the "thrill" of a big game hunt and people get the food. I have no doubt that such initiatives exist but this story still does seem off: first, as big as giraffes can be, feeding 800 people, even children, with one of them isn't happening. Second, what "village" has 800 orphans? I know things can be tough in Africa but I doubt any village has enough orphans to create a new village on their own. Third, is eating giraffe meat even a thing? Anywhere? Oh and most zebra races are also protected so that may be two endangered species killed by these people. I'm not denying that some of those messages are going too far (and I can't really blame the kid, but her father, that's a different story) but no-one is gonna make me feel sorry for posh White guys going to Africa to indulge in animal cruelty having to face consequences for their actions. I swear, whining about people finding it morally objectionable to kill animals for entertainment has got to be the most stereotypically "entitled first-World asshole" thing to do. TL;DR: all involved are assholes. Is it really considered "hunting" if you are killing something 25 feet tall, weighing several tonnes, with a high powered rifle, in the middle of the open savannah? I can only imagine the cunning skills and stealthy tactics required to find such an elusive target that even a child can kill. That's one of my many issues with this type of behaviour. You're not really hunting when you're staying in a safe spot hundreds of metres away and use a ludicrously expensive tool designed to make killing as easy as possible, are you? You're clicking to make things die. Want to be a genuine hunter who actually has a reason to brag about overcoming wild animals? Grab a spear and give the animal a sporting chance. And you'll still be the asshole because you're the one attacking the animal unprovoked so don't come crying if they gore you in self-defence. ...who the hell cares. Seriously. People been shooting shit for as long as there has been shit to shoot. If that's what she enjoys. Good for her. A dead giraffe is going to have ZERO consequences for anyone here. Also a dead zebra. Who the hell cares. How about caring out of basic human decency? You know, not making animals suffer solely for amusement? And considering giraffe and zebra populations are declining, yeah, I'd say there are consequences for it. How so though, an animal is still dying, even if you aren't directly responsible Killing an animal for meat has a point. Killing an animal just to brag about it is gratuitous cruelty. Yes, Eating Giraffes is a thing in Africa. There are meet poachers that get them just for meat in Africa. And a giraffe can yeild upwards of 660lbs of meat. So feeding 800 people off of 660lbs, espically in a stew is not that far fetched. www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-1121222/Giraffe-Its-height-fine-dining-says-TV-chef-Hugh.html
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Post by Blindkarevik on Sept 8, 2016 13:33:20 GMT -5
In all honesty, hunting, gun control stuff like that.... it's just like politics and religion. People on one side, are unchanging and think the people on the other side are idiots. It's one of those conversations that should only happen amongst people who share the same opinion, or are intelligent enough to say "I disagree, but I respect your opinion."
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Sept 8, 2016 13:51:39 GMT -5
Alright, fair enough. If it really is being fed to people, I guess it's more understandable.
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Post by Legion on Sept 8, 2016 13:57:53 GMT -5
I don't really mind hunting if you're going to eat the animal afterwards (after all, it's no different than fishing then) or population control, but trophy hunters get no respect or sympathy from me. Why? There are many hunters in the US and elsewhere that do things like Hunters for the Hungry www.h4hungry.org/tacaa.org/hunters-for-the-hungryThat seems like an extension of that. They get the "thrill" of a big game hunt and people get the food. I have no doubt that such initiatives exist but this story still does seem off: first, as big as giraffes can be, feeding 800 people, even children, with one of them isn't happening. Second, what "village" has 800 orphans? I know things can be tough in Africa but I doubt any village has enough orphans to create a new village on their own. Third, is eating giraffe meat even a thing? Anywhere? Oh and most zebra races are also protected so that may be two endangered species killed by these people. I'm not denying that some of those messages are going too far (and I can't really blame the kid, but her father, that's a different story) but no-one is gonna make me feel sorry for posh White guys going to Africa to indulge in animal cruelty having to face consequences for their actions. I swear, whining about people finding it morally objectionable to kill animals for entertainment has got to be the most stereotypically "entitled first-World asshole" thing to do. TL;DR: all involved are assholes. Is it really considered "hunting" if you are killing something 25 feet tall, weighing several tonnes, with a high powered rifle, in the middle of the open savannah? I can only imagine the cunning skills and stealthy tactics required to find such an elusive target that even a child can kill. That's one of my many issues with this type of behaviour. You're not really hunting when you're staying in a safe spot hundreds of metres away and use a ludicrously expensive tool designed to make killing as easy as possible, are you? You're clicking to make things die. Want to be a genuine hunter who actually has a reason to brag about overcoming wild animals? Grab a spear and give the animal a sporting chance. And you'll still be the asshole because you're the one attacking the animal unprovoked so don't come crying if they gore you in self-defence. ...who the hell cares. Seriously. People been shooting shit for as long as there has been shit to shoot. If that's what she enjoys. Good for her. A dead giraffe is going to have ZERO consequences for anyone here. Also a dead zebra. Who the hell cares. How about caring out of basic human decency? You know, not making animals suffer solely for amusement? And considering giraffe and zebra populations are declining, yeah, I'd say there are consequences for it. How so though, an animal is still dying, even if you aren't directly responsible Killing an animal for meat has a point. Killing an animal just to brag about it is gratuitous cruelty. I couldn't have put it any better. Well done for summing up for me
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Sept 8, 2016 14:01:22 GMT -5
I think there's a massive difference in eating meat from animals that are bred for that purpose and putting a bullet between the eyes of a giraffe. How so though, an animal is still dying, even if you aren't directly responsible But you very rarely see pics of a slaughterhouse employee posing like a grinning bell-end with a corpse. If you're going to sell it for meat after then fine but don't pose for photos like you're proud of it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 8, 2016 14:22:58 GMT -5
Fair enough.
Though if you are using the meat, I personally don't see much difference one way another. That seems more an aesthetic choice. But that's fair
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Post by Manute Bol on Sept 8, 2016 15:03:50 GMT -5
How so though, an animal is still dying, even if you aren't directly responsible Killing an animal for meat has a point. Killing an animal just to brag about it is gratuitous cruelty. Excellent post, particularly this point here. I can't believe someone earlier in this thread actually said it's hypocritical for people to cry foul on this situation if they eat meat. Some people are just not worth arguing with.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 8, 2016 15:09:14 GMT -5
Again though, the meat was eaten which is the point he was making; i.e. no significant difference hunting resulting in meat vs factory farms raising animals for slaughter. T
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Sept 8, 2016 16:38:30 GMT -5
Who teaches their 12 year old kid to murder things for fun? Oh right, psychos. I guess my father is a psycho then.We use to go a few times each deer season,hunting for fun. Gave us some time to bond. I got my first rifle when I was 8. And would go hunting with my dad a few times every year until I was about 14. The "psychos" are the ones that never bother to teach their children proper respect for firearms and gun safety. I haven't hunted in 25+ years. But have no issue with it if it is hunting for food. I despise trophy hunting. Which it seems the girl in the pics was doing.Now I haven't owned a firearm since I finished my time in the Army back in the mid 90s. But I do live in a home with 10 or so rifles and 2 pistols. I do go out target shooting a few times a year,just to keep in practice.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Sept 8, 2016 19:36:34 GMT -5
To be fair, that giraffe had it coming.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Sept 8, 2016 21:09:50 GMT -5
Honesnty I really can't say that I'm too bothered by this... providing that the dead giraffe will actually be used as food and the father isn't just spinning a load of bullshit in order not to look like every other rich first world dickhead who goes to Africa to shoot shit.
But that being said the photos do really make him the daughter look like total twats because they shot a freaking giraffe not just badarse cunning super animal that requires a master hunter to take it out.
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on Sept 8, 2016 23:08:16 GMT -5
How so though, an animal is still dying, even if you aren't directly responsible But you very rarely see pics of a slaughterhouse employee posing like a grinning bell-end with a corpse. If you're going to sell it for meat after then fine but don't pose for photos like you're proud of it. So do it but don't you dare enjoy enjoy it? How is this different from someone just taking pictures of their food.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Sept 9, 2016 2:48:26 GMT -5
But you very rarely see pics of a slaughterhouse employee posing like a grinning bell-end with a corpse. If you're going to sell it for meat after then fine but don't pose for photos like you're proud of it. So do it but don't you dare enjoy enjoy it? How is this different from someone just taking pictures of their food. Because it is. Taking a picture of food on a plate is worlds apart from taking a picture of a dead animal you've just killed. Most people who take pictures of their food have not gone out and killed that animal themselves.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Sept 9, 2016 3:57:27 GMT -5
Again though, the meat was eaten which is the point he was making; i.e. no significant difference hunting resulting in meat vs factory farms raising animals for slaughter. T I have no problem with hunting. I do not consider safari's hunts. It's all bs. As for the feeding the villagers? That's such a white man's burden argument, because the natives aren't allowed to hunt these animals themselves. They are saved for a tourist industry and only the corrupt few politicians and land owners actually get the profit and the poor people are given the gamey scrap meat from trophy hunts as a consolation prize and pr stunt/damage control. I mean if it was at all about feeding the poor villagers, why not just spend that $2000 buying them their own fishing poles and their own rifles? Well, because they aren't allowed to hunt the majority of these animals the Westerners and Asians spend a fortune buying the rights to kill. Imagine if the people of Wisconsin couldn't hunt deer but they let Europeans/Asians kill them, America would riot, or better yet if we let them kill the animals we cannot/do not. How well would it go over if you saw a bunch of Aussies posting pictures of dead Bald Eagles being hoisted up by their legs with stupid grins on their faces, and the justification was that the meat was fed to school kids and the governor got a huge campaign contribution. This is the argument used to justify these "hunts".
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