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Post by Alice Syndrome on Sept 9, 2016 4:19:29 GMT -5
Who teaches their 12 year old kid to murder things for fun? Oh right, psychos. I guess my father is a psycho then.We use to go a few times each deer season,hunting for fun. Gave us some time to bond. I got my first rifle when I was 8. And would go hunting with my dad a few times every year until I was about 14. The "psychos" are the ones that never bother to teach their children proper respect for firearms and gun safety. I haven't hunted in 25+ years. But have no issue with it if it is hunting for food. I despise trophy hunting. Which it seems the girl in the pics was doing. Now I haven't owned a firearm since I finished my time in the Army back in the mid 90s. But I do live in a home with 10 or so rifles and 2 pistols. I do go out target shooting a few times a year,just to keep in practice. Exactly, that's the "for fun" part. Basically when you take a photo of it, you're going "I went to another continent just to shoot an innocent creature in the face, look how awesome I am" I don't hate anyone raising animals for meat (though I don't exactly condone it, the entire livestock farm industry is awful), but when you're taking pride in killing an animal like this family was, I think you may have problems.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 9, 2016 7:28:05 GMT -5
Again though, the meat was eaten which is the point he was making; i.e. no significant difference hunting resulting in meat vs factory farms raising animals for slaughter. T I have no problem with hunting. I do not consider safari's hunts. It's all bs. As for the feeding the villagers? That's such a white man's burden argument, because the natives aren't allowed to hunt these animals themselves. They are saved for a tourist industry and only the corrupt few politicians and land owners actually get the profit and the poor people are given the gamey scrap meat from trophy hunts as a consolation prize and pr stunt/damage control. I mean if it was at all about feeding the poor villagers, why not just spend that $2000 buying them their own fishing poles and their own rifles? Well, because they aren't allowed to hunt the majority of these animals the Westerners and Asians spend a fortune buying the rights to kill. Imagine if the people of Wisconsin couldn't hunt deer but they let Europeans/Asians kill them, America would riot, or better yet if we let them kill the animals we cannot/do not. How well would it go over if you saw a bunch of Aussies posting pictures of dead Bald Eagles being hoisted up by their legs with stupid grins on their faces, and the justification was that the meat was fed to school kids and the governor got a huge campaign contribution. This is the argument used to justify these "hunts". You're putting a lot of words in my mouth as far as me 'justifying' anything, as well as an unlikely hypothetical that wouldn't really bother me. A simple 'I disagree' woulda worked just as well. So I'll bow out of this discussion. Hell I've got no strong feelings on it in the first place.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Sept 9, 2016 7:51:09 GMT -5
Here's another perspective: There are plenty of deer to hunt. Why would anyone want to hunt a giraffe? Where's the skill in controlled hunting anyway? The animal doesn't have a chance to flee. You're just straight-up murdering something.
I know that hunting is a big tradition here in the U.S but that does not make it any less cruel like in this situation with the giraffe. Again, the deer population is exploding so perhaps they could work on expanding deer hunting season?
I'm for protecting endangered/threatened species from assholes with lots of money.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 9, 2016 9:40:28 GMT -5
I go deer hunting every year, I eat everything I kill. You can call me a monster all you want, but after getting up at 4am, freezing my ass off in a bush in Buttf*** Nowhere Manitoba, and walking 5-10miles through thick areas of bush and deep snow tracking a deer, you good goddamn right I'm going to take a picture of the deer if I am lucky enough to kill it. Because you don't take a shot if you aren't confident you can put the animal down with just the one. Hunting is not easy, but I love it. I spend time with my Dad, and it's one of my favourite things of the year.
And yes, I will openly admit, that part of the draw is the very primal sense of pride of going out and tracking and hunting the animal or animals that will feed your family for the next while. Long before jobs and money existed, that's how a man provided for his family.
EDIT: And don't even get me started on the skill and patience needed to hunt deer with a bow
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Sept 9, 2016 10:22:44 GMT -5
I go deer hunting every year, I eat everything I kill. You can call me a monster all you want, but after getting up at 4am, freezing my ass off in a bush in Buttf*** Nowhere Manitoba, and walking 5-10miles through thick areas of bush and deep snow tracking a deer, you good goddamn right I'm going to take a picture of the deer if I am lucky enough to kill it. Because you don't take a shot if you aren't confident you can put the animal down with just the one. Hunting is not easy, but I love it. I spend time with my Dad, and it's one of my favourite things of the year. And yes, I will openly admit, that part of the draw is the very primal sense of pride of going out and tracking and hunting the animal or animals that will feed your family for the next while. Long before jobs and money existed, that's how a man provided for his family. EDIT: And don't even get me started on the skill and patience needed to hunt deer with a bow I don't think anyone is disputing any of what you said or have much of a problem with it, even if they don't like it or would never do it themselves like myself. It's these bellends posing with endangered species and pretending they're hunting when it's just a glorified adventure holiday. Pay enough money and this company will find a brilliant animal (which is not hiding, is not running away, it's out in the open living it's life.) for your daughter to murder. Great.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 9, 2016 10:32:28 GMT -5
I go deer hunting every year, I eat everything I kill. You can call me a monster all you want, but after getting up at 4am, freezing my ass off in a bush in Buttf*** Nowhere Manitoba, and walking 5-10miles through thick areas of bush and deep snow tracking a deer, you good goddamn right I'm going to take a picture of the deer if I am lucky enough to kill it. Because you don't take a shot if you aren't confident you can put the animal down with just the one. Hunting is not easy, but I love it. I spend time with my Dad, and it's one of my favourite things of the year. And yes, I will openly admit, that part of the draw is the very primal sense of pride of going out and tracking and hunting the animal or animals that will feed your family for the next while. Long before jobs and money existed, that's how a man provided for his family. EDIT: And don't even get me started on the skill and patience needed to hunt deer with a bow I don't think anyone is disputing any of what you said or have much of a problem with it, even if they don't like it or would never do it themselves like myself. It's these bellends posing with endangered species and pretending they're hunting when it's just a glorified adventure holiday. Pay enough money and this company will find a brilliant animal (which is not hiding, is not running away, it's out in the open living it's life.) for your daughter to murder. Great. I'm totally against the "hunting" they do with the guided tours in Africa, unless they have a legit concern of overpopulation, but there were quite a few people in this thread basically saying you're a piece of shit if you pose for a picture with the animal you kill. And I totally respect anyone who chooses not to hunt, if you aren't raised on it then ya taking the life of an animal at best seems difficult or at worst seems cruel and horrific. But it is a way of life where I live, most of the people I know either hunt or did in the past, so I do tend to take it very personally when people call a honest hunter a murderer, or think my dad is a psychopath for teaching me to shoot at age 7 and hunt at age 12. EDIT: And the people I hunt with are honest hunters, don't shoot what you don't intend to eat, don't shoot if you aren't confident in the kill, follow limits to ensure the populations are maintained for the future etc.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Sept 9, 2016 10:40:19 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is disputing any of what you said or have much of a problem with it, even if they don't like it or would never do it themselves like myself. It's these bellends posing with endangered species and pretending they're hunting when it's just a glorified adventure holiday. Pay enough money and this company will find a brilliant animal (which is not hiding, is not running away, it's out in the open living it's life.) for your daughter to murder. Great. I'm totally against the "hunting" they do with the guided tours in Africa, unless they have a legit concern of overpopulation, but there were quite a few people in this thread basically saying you're a piece of shit if you pose for a picture with the animal you kill. And I totally respect anyone who chooses not to hunt, if you aren't raised on it then ya taking the life of an animal at best seems difficult or at worst seems cruel and horrific. But it is a way of life where I live, most of the people I know either hunt or did in the past, so I do tend to take it very personally when people call a honest hunter a murderer, or think my dad is a psychopath for teaching me to shoot at age 7 and hunt at age 12. EDIT: And the people I hunt with are honest hunters, don't shoot what you don't intend to eat, don't shoot if you aren't confident in the kill, follow limits to ensure the populations are maintained for the future etc. It's an odd thing I guess. Hunting isn't really a prevalent thing in the UK. It happens but hunters are most certainly the minority from what I can tell. I worked with a guy who went on the rabbit hunts when in season and we got on very well I just asked him not to show me any of the poor bastards haha. As far as I see it, if you've put the work in for a genuine legal hunt of an overpopulated animal (like you have) then by all means take a picture, that's entirely upto you, in that sense it's like a fisherman with a massive catch. It's when these pictures are posted on Facebook in "Look how great I am!" kinda way which I don't agree with. I don't wanna see a dead animal, by all means take a pic and show your hunting buddies but keep it away from me lol Edit: More specifically on the pictures. It goes back to the original one in this thread. Some girl stood victoriously on a f***ing giraffe and making it her Facebook profile picture and bragging about it on Twitter. I've never touched a gun in my life but I imagine on one of these safari tour hunt things I could probably kill a giraffe too. It's not an accomplishment, it's just pointless murder of an endangered animal. I'm quite sensitive with this as giraffes have always been one of my favourite animals haha.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 9, 2016 10:44:57 GMT -5
I'm totally against the "hunting" they do with the guided tours in Africa, unless they have a legit concern of overpopulation, but there were quite a few people in this thread basically saying you're a piece of shit if you pose for a picture with the animal you kill. And I totally respect anyone who chooses not to hunt, if you aren't raised on it then ya taking the life of an animal at best seems difficult or at worst seems cruel and horrific. But it is a way of life where I live, most of the people I know either hunt or did in the past, so I do tend to take it very personally when people call a honest hunter a murderer, or think my dad is a psychopath for teaching me to shoot at age 7 and hunt at age 12. EDIT: And the people I hunt with are honest hunters, don't shoot what you don't intend to eat, don't shoot if you aren't confident in the kill, follow limits to ensure the populations are maintained for the future etc. It's an odd thing I guess. Hunting isn't really a prevalent thing in the UK. It happens but hunters are most certainly the minority from what I can tell. I worked with a guy who went on the rabbit hunts when in season and we got on very well I just asked him not to show me any of the poor bastards haha. As far as I see it, if you've put the work in for a genuine legal hunt of an overpopulated animal (like you have) then by all means take a picture, that's entirely upto you. It's when these pictures are posted on Facebook in "Look how great I am!" kinda way which I don't agree with. I don't wanna see a dead animal, by all means take a pic and show your hunting buddies but keep it away from me lol See, I can totally respect your stance. Like I said, if you don't grow up with it I understand how it can appear. Especially with douche nozzles like this family and the lion incident last year making the rest of us look bad. For a topic that tends to get pretty heated, I like that we've had a very civil back and forth these past few minutes.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Sept 9, 2016 20:45:12 GMT -5
I go deer hunting every year, I eat everything I kill. You can call me a monster all you want, but after getting up at 4am, freezing my ass off in a bush in Buttf*** Nowhere Manitoba, and walking 5-10miles through thick areas of bush and deep snow tracking a deer, you good goddamn right I'm going to take a picture of the deer if I am lucky enough to kill it. Because you don't take a shot if you aren't confident you can put the animal down with just the one. Hunting is not easy, but I love it. I spend time with my Dad, and it's one of my favourite things of the year. And yes, I will openly admit, that part of the draw is the very primal sense of pride of going out and tracking and hunting the animal or animals that will feed your family for the next while. Long before jobs and money existed, that's how a man provided for his family. EDIT: And don't even get me started on the skill and patience needed to hunt deer with a bow To me bow hunting is a true skill. I have tried and practiced for years. And still can't hit a moving target. Hunting to me is a skill. And I am sure part of the appeal for my father is going out spending all that time and taking that one shot and hitting it. Then he brings it home. I help him skin and gut it. And whammo we got enough meat for at least 4 or 5 meals. I can't bring myself to harm an animal,so I don't hunt. But I have no issues with people that hunt for food. And sure do not think they are psycho or have something wrong with them.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Sept 9, 2016 20:49:58 GMT -5
Responsible hunting is beneficial. Personally Id rather my meat come from an animal killed while being an animal than one that was force fed hormones and steroids for 6 months in cramped quarters before being put out of its misery.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Sept 10, 2016 16:34:33 GMT -5
Most weeks out of the 6 dinners we eat at home at least one item if not more in the meal is either something we got from hunting,fishing or the garden/orchard.
No idea about anyone else but I find it calming to know that at least part of my evening meal came from work I did myself.Even if it is just I went out picked some green beans and maybe grabbed some pears.
But as I have said before I grew up in a family of deer hunters and fishermen. Both my grandfathers made their living working shrimp or fishing boats out in the gulf. My earliest memory is going out late at night to see the deer my father had just killed with his bow. I was 3 IIRC. I totally understand if you didn't grow up around this it will see sometimes odd and cruel.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 10, 2016 17:10:17 GMT -5
Backlash? Backlash?!
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on Sept 10, 2016 17:32:00 GMT -5
White Mans Burden is when I decided I was done.
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