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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 23, 2016 9:17:22 GMT -5
How could that Foley thing have been Heenan? Wasn't that whole feud in the Summer/Fall of 1993 when Heenan was still in WWF? Vader and Cactus Jack wrestled a Texas Death Match again in 94 and Heenan was on commentary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 9:29:49 GMT -5
Long answer: Had Bobby stayed, his pay would've been cut, he'd have had to move to CT (part of the new contract - which meant pulling his daughter out of FL high school in her senior year, which he's said was THE reason he walked) and while he might be happy b/c of work familiarity and stil letting to work with Gorilla somehow/someway I'm not sure he'd have either made it to the Attitude Era with the absolute financial chaos that preceded it or have wanted to because of the changing tides. And had Bobby come back somehow from WCW earlier, he'd be walking into that Attitude Era shift which did not really support that kind of nostalgia just yet, and ultimately was just turned into a place I don't think he'd have fit in well with. So no.
Short and to the point answer: Bobby Heenan never could've taken a Stunner, which seems like it was a mandatory requirement at the time. So no.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Aug 23, 2016 9:31:55 GMT -5
How could that Foley thing have been Heenan? Wasn't that whole feud in the Summer/Fall of 1993 when Heenan was still in WWF? Vader and Cactus Jack wrestled a Texas Death Match again in 94 and Heenan was on commentary. Ah ok. Wow I have absolutely no recollection of that. My memories of 1994 Vader are limited to him fighting The Boss/Guardian Angel 932 times.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Aug 23, 2016 11:11:29 GMT -5
I wonder how manager Bobby would translate. I can see him selling the Stunner like death. Saying Brian Pillman touching his neck caused him to swear on a live broadcast because it freaked him out so much he never would have taken a bump. It's why he stopped managing in the first place. He felt he needed to bump to payoff angles and when he couldn't anymore he moved to the booth full time.
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Post by CeilingFan on Aug 23, 2016 11:24:04 GMT -5
How could that Foley thing have been Heenan? Wasn't that whole feud in the Summer/Fall of 1993 when Heenan was still in WWF? Vader and Foley had a rematch 1 year later. When Vader power-bombed Foley on the floor Heenan said "Well, that will give you Excedrin headache number 10".
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 23, 2016 11:27:55 GMT -5
Listen to Heenan's 'comedy' calling any match involving a minority or discussion of current events, then watch any episode of the Simpsons where Krusty the Clown tries non physical comedy and dies on his feet because comedy has moved on, it's pretty much the same material, he's just missing the flapping dickey. You could forgive impersonating Don Rickles in the 1970s but he was still doing it in the 90s. Yup, racial humour wouldn't have gotten over. *Watches anything involving DX and The Nation, then Kaientai v Val Venis feud*
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Post by Milkman Norm on Aug 23, 2016 11:36:03 GMT -5
Listen to Heenan's 'comedy' calling any match involving a minority or discussion of current events, then watch any episode of the Simpsons where Krusty the Clown tries non physical comedy and dies on his feet because comedy has moved on, it's pretty much the same material, he's just missing the flapping dickey. You could forgive impersonating Don Rickles in the 1970s but he was still doing it in the 90s. Yup, racial humour wouldn't have gotten over. *Watches anything involving DX and The Nation, then Kaientai v Val Venis feud* Except when you have HHH in blackface what could Heenan possibly do to get heat?
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Post by tms on Aug 23, 2016 12:04:44 GMT -5
I remember even back in 92 when Bret and Piper embraced after their WM 8 match, Heenan said something like "who cares, it doesn't put money in my pocket". I thought that was such a pointless thing to say when he could have just kept quiet and let Monsoon sell it. Heenan was a funny character, but I found his announcing incredibly overrated. He couldn't touch Ventura, IMO. THIS. Heenan was great at times, but Jesse was in a whole other tier by himself. You could plug Jesse in any era and he would have been excellent. I wish we could have had him in the Attitude Era only to hear how outraged he would have been over Austin's antics.
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Post by jp49er80 on Aug 23, 2016 12:11:47 GMT -5
I always thought Foley's comments were about Mark Madden, but maybe that doesn't make sense.
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Post by chronocross on Aug 23, 2016 12:17:51 GMT -5
I don't think he messed up Foley, I was watching Superbrawl 4 the other day and Foley takes a horrendous flat back bump off the apron to the exposed concrete and Heenan sold it seriously. He also wasn't there when Vader and Cactus feuded in 1993 as Ventura and Schiavone were doing play by play that night.
I did watch the Texas Death match from Worldwide in 1994 and I didn't hear Heenan say anything that was horrible or killed Foley's credibility.
As for him fitting in the Attitude Era, I don't think it would work as a lot of his stuff was dated and I can't see him fitting in.
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Post by MrElijah on Aug 23, 2016 12:39:02 GMT -5
I remember even back in 92 when Bret and Piper embraced after their WM 8 match, Heenan said something like "who cares, it doesn't put money in my pocket". I thought that was such a pointless thing to say when he could have just kept quiet and let Monsoon sell it. Heenan was a funny character, but I found his announcing incredibly overrated. He couldn't touch Ventura, IMO. THIS. Heenan was great at times, but Jesse was in a whole other tier by himself. You could plug Jesse in any era and he would have been excellent. I wish we could have had him in the Attitude Era only to hear how outraged he would have been over Austin's antics. God Ventura would destroy Cole and Saxton.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Aug 23, 2016 12:50:10 GMT -5
I think when people talk about how great Heenan and Monsoon were they're talking about basically 3 ppv broadcasts. The rest was the studio and remote segments in Primetime. They were great but somehow those bits that had nothing to do with match commentary have lead people to remember Bobby in WWF as this great color commentator.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 23, 2016 13:05:11 GMT -5
Yup, racial humour wouldn't have gotten over. *Watches anything involving DX and The Nation, then Kaientai v Val Venis feud* Except when you have HHH in blackface what could Heenan possibly do to get heat? You had the women getting their tits out all the time, King managed to get heat off his sexist stuff. You have him make his jokes, and in that environment, well, sadly it might turn him face depending on who he does it to.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Aug 23, 2016 13:13:30 GMT -5
I remember even back in 92 when Bret and Piper embraced after their WM 8 match, Heenan said something like "who cares, it doesn't put money in my pocket". I thought that was such a pointless thing to say when he could have just kept quiet and let Monsoon sell it. Heenan was a funny character, but I found his announcing incredibly overrated. He couldn't touch Ventura, IMO. THIS. Heenan was great at times, but Jesse was in a whole other tier by himself. You could plug Jesse in any era and he would have been excellent. I wish we could have had him in the Attitude Era only to hear how outraged he would have been over Austin's antics. Ventura was an all time great, sometimes a bit too great at building up heels and tearing down faces. What's sad is that when JBL first became an announcer on SmackDown, he was almost on par with Ventura.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Aug 23, 2016 13:58:39 GMT -5
I love the guy, but I think Heenan's commentary on the gimmick battle royal at Wrestlemania 17 could give an indication that he wouldn't have fit into the Attitude era too well. He felt a decade out of place on that event.
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Post by mauled on Aug 23, 2016 14:39:21 GMT -5
I think when people talk about how great Heenan and Monsoon were they're talking about basically 3 ppv broadcasts. The rest was the studio and remote segments in Primetime. They were great but somehow those bits that had nothing to do with match commentary have lead people to remember Bobby in WWF as this great color commentator. Was it even 3 he was great at SS91 (he seemed to get legit heat with Piper in the Bret/Perfect match with Monsoon actually apologising to Piper) and Rumble 92 he was perfect but I thought he was meh at wm8 and just pointless at Summerslam 92 and Survivor Series 92.
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Post by MrElijah on Aug 23, 2016 14:53:16 GMT -5
I think when people talk about how great Heenan and Monsoon were they're talking about basically 3 ppv broadcasts. The rest was the studio and remote segments in Primetime. They were great but somehow those bits that had nothing to do with match commentary have lead people to remember Bobby in WWF as this great color commentator. Tuesday in Texas was meh but his meltdown of Hogan winning the belt again was hilarious. But Summerslam, SS '91, Rumble '92 and Wrestlemania VIII is fondly remembered due to the entire Flair story and Bobby going into overdrive and just being on fire. And why the Brain is fondly remembered is that it was never dull. Listen to Cole or Saxton or Otunga. They have moments of dead air or dull surprise. I mean that's why I miss Dusty on commentary, he was pure energy at times. Then again that's why I liked Booker. Or just my blind nostalgia.
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Post by willywonka666 on Aug 24, 2016 7:38:44 GMT -5
Bobby is very sharp, I think if he was in a situation where he really cared, he could do anything he wanted-even go toe to toe with The Rock, who didn't have the most clever material-not hatin' just sayin'
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Aug 24, 2016 13:55:50 GMT -5
I remember even back in 92 when Bret and Piper embraced after their WM 8 match, Heenan said something like "who cares, it doesn't put money in my pocket". I thought that was such a pointless thing to say when he could have just kept quiet and let Monsoon sell it. Heenan was a funny character, but I found his announcing incredibly overrated. He couldn't touch Ventura, IMO. THIS. Heenan was great at times, but Jesse was in a whole other tier by himself. You could plug Jesse in any era and he would have been excellent. I wish we could have had him in the Attitude Era only to hear how outraged he would have been over Austin's antics. But that would have meant that Jesse would be defending Vince. You could similarly ask had he stayed in WCW, would Jesse be pro-Hogan post BATB '96.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 24, 2016 17:11:08 GMT -5
Did they find a bunch of bodies in Heenan's crawl space?? Hearing people not like something he did is so odd.
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