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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 14, 2017 13:10:27 GMT -5
I thought Batista/HHH in Hell In A Cell was way better than Shawn/HHH in the HIAC match. Agree wholeheartedly. The Shawn/HHH one should have just ended with them masturbating to climax all over each other. I thought Batista/HHH in Hell In A Cell was way better than Shawn/HHH in the HIAC match. On that note, Batista was a much better all around talent than fans initially thought. Not even figuring in his role as Drax, he had a natural magnetism. I agree. I can pinpoint the exact moment Bats won me over, and it was the 2008 Royal Rumble. A freshly returned, super-hot Cena, a still very over Triple H, in front of a New York crowd, and Batista's pop rivals both of them. That was the moment when I realised that what I thought of a wrestler's quality was irrelevant if they're over. And if you're over in New York as one of WWE's big hoss favourites, you're probably over. Only Rey Mysterio WWE matches I enjoyed were the ones with multiple guys involved (f.e. Elimination Chamber or the multi-tag matches in 02 with the SD6) From 05 til his exit most of his singles matches were the same ol same ol repeat that bored me to death I agree. Rey's singles matches in WWE have always bored me to tears, not helped by the fact that I felt his booking was ridiculous and I hated his finishers. I liked Vince as ECW Champion, too bad WWE didn't run Hammerstein Ballroom at the time, the heat would've been off the charts. I agree again. Vince as ECW champion was perfect. What better person to hold it? The issue was not him winning it. He had a f***ing du-rag, it was amazing, and it was him trying to get the ECW brand over with his presence. The issue was him losing it to Lashley, who nobody wanted to win.
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Post by chronocross on Mar 14, 2017 14:06:32 GMT -5
I also liked Cena beating Umaga at Royal Rumble 2007, the finish made sense as Cena was desperate to put this Samoan monster down for a 10 count and nothing else was working, as J.R put it that night "Even monsters need air".
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 15, 2017 20:07:07 GMT -5
If TNA were never at any point a successful promotion, as people here keep claiming, then there have been no successful promotions formed since the territory days. TNA managed to get onto a major network and stay there for several years at a time wrestling was an incredibly hard sell to broadcasters and advertisers, got international TV deals, a videogame and action figures, while they squandered that, the success they had happened all the same.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Mar 15, 2017 20:28:37 GMT -5
I still think HHH beating CM Punk didn't hurt either of them since the match had so much interference it's a wonder it finished at all.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Mar 18, 2017 4:59:26 GMT -5
Stone Cold was the most enjoyable as Bret Hart's antagonist. Never did get the appeal of the Wwe heavyweight champion waging war against a 50 year old executive. At least the Wcw champion at the time was involved in competitive wrestling matches week on, week out. Hulk Hogan won the title on October 27th, 1996 and held it until August 4th, 1997, a span of 281 days. He defended it 3 times, including the match he lost it in. He won it back 6 days later on August 9th, 1997, and held it until December 28th, 1997, a span of 141 days, during which his only defense was the match he dropped the title in. Not trying to disagree with your point or anything, but WCW wasn't really known for fighting champions. 5 title matches in 422 days is pretty bad, actually.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 18, 2017 9:03:27 GMT -5
I still think HHH beating CM Punk didn't hurt either of them since the match had so much interference it's a wonder it finished at all. By that logic Starrcade 1997 didn't hurt Sting at all as there was so much screwiness it was a wonder there was a finish at all. The interference was designed to protect Triple H, same as the BS finishes at Starrcade were designed purely to protect Hogan, when both guys needed to lose cleanly and decisively to give the paying audience what they wanted and keep them coming back to see their saviour against the next villain.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Mar 18, 2017 20:05:06 GMT -5
Jim Cornette would have made a better "advocate" for Suplex City-era Brock than Heyman. Hell yes.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Mar 20, 2017 14:33:21 GMT -5
I've been going through all of the Nitro's and corresponding PPV's from that month/year. I know everyone's going to think I'm an idiot, but I enjoyed WCW a hell of a lot more before Hall and Nash came along.
Also, I've never, ever thought Hall or Nash were worth a shit. The wrestling business would've been better off without them.
I'm glad this thread allowed me to spew my awful opinions. Thanks.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 20, 2017 15:16:55 GMT -5
I also liked Cena beating Umaga at Royal Rumble 2007, the finish made sense as Cena was desperate to put this Samoan monster down for a 10 count and nothing else was working, as J.R put it that night "Even monsters need air". Agreed. I'll contend until I'm blue in the face that match is the best example of how to make someone look like a f***ing monster in defeat. Had Umaga kept himself clean, he would have made a terrific World champion. Might be my favorite Cena match too, and given his resume, that's saying something
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Mar 23, 2017 14:29:10 GMT -5
Bray Wyatt is, was, and always will be the talent in the Wyatt family. None of them even come close, and that's including Orton.
None of them can talk. Rowan, Harper, and Strowman shouldn't even try because they are all shit. Orton talks, but does it so slowly and boringly that I have to take a nap in the middle of his promos. Bray, on the other hand, is consistently good with a mic in his hand, and may be the best talker in the company right now.
As far as ring work: Rowan and Strowman are absolute shit. Harper is ok at best. Orton wrestles, but does it so slowly and boringly that I have to take a nap in the middle of his matches as well. Bray, however, puts on good-to-great matches everytime he hits the ring.
As far as look: Harper and Rowan look like tall janitors. Not imposing, just tall. Strowman is huge, and kinda scary I guess, but his stunning resemblance to Ogre from Revenge of the Nerds makes him impossible to take seriously. Orton has a look, but it's so boring that I have to take a nap in the middle of trying to describe it. He also hasn't changed his look at all in...well, ever really. Bray has not only managed to change his look while making sense with the character, he looks exactly like a dude you would not want to mess with at all. Big, quick, and a crazy look in his eye.
Rowan, Harper, and Strowman have gone as far as they deserve, and probably farther in the case of Harper and definitely in the case of Strowman. Orton will continue to go places, but he will do it so slowly and boringly that I will have to take a nap through pretty much all of it. Bray is the only one who deserves more.
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Post by alred1982 on Mar 24, 2017 14:41:51 GMT -5
I enjoyed lesnars run with the title only change I would of made is he defended it at every ppv or at worse every 2. Heyman could of built heat for it on Raw saying you only see the champ on ppv.
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Post by efarns on Apr 6, 2017 14:48:08 GMT -5
I never liked Gordon Solie. His voice is bland and lifeless. "Su-play" instead of "suplex" annoyed me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 17:28:55 GMT -5
Taker has been a boring legacy act since he dropped the American Badass gimmick and the hyping of "The Streak" as something I should care about put the figurative nail in the coffin of him ever being interesting to me again.
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Post by Andy Martin on Apr 6, 2017 17:45:44 GMT -5
I never liked Gordon Solie. His voice is bland and lifeless. "Su-play" instead of "suplex" annoyed me. Yeah. Solie was a guy whose commentary I couldn't get into. I know A LOT of people consider him the greatest to ever do it and I'm always wondering what I'm missing with him.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Apr 6, 2017 17:51:27 GMT -5
Was just reading the thread about Aron Rex leaving TNA and had to come here to say...I never found Mizdow all that entertaining.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 6, 2017 18:24:05 GMT -5
If a wrestler arrived in ECW and cuts a shoot promo on how they were misused in WCW, people will say they're brilliant and had every right to be frustrated. If a wrestler hits the indy scene from TNA and cuts promos or goes of on social media about how terrible the place was, people will say they're brilliant and had every right to be frustrated. If a wrestler leaves the WWF/E and cuts a shoot promo in TNA or WCW or social media, people will say they should shut up as they're bitter and weren't any good in the first place.
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Post by BME on Apr 6, 2017 18:45:43 GMT -5
Barry Horowitz was a better wrestler than Dean Malenko.
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Post by Clint Bobski on Apr 6, 2017 18:54:14 GMT -5
- I like Brock as WWE Champion. It's good to have an unstoppable heel champ every now and then. If only there was a legitimate challenger... - I love Big Show and think he's taken on some shit gimmicks for the sake of the business and to get people over. - I thought Chyna was attractive in an Amazon-esque way. - I didn't enjoy HHH v Taker at WM 28. Too slow and boring. - Sid Justice was an amazing heel in late 91 through to mid 92 WWF. - Crush's Kona Crush gimmick didn't suck. - Dolph Ziggler is overrated. - WWE missed a trick not booking Flair v Hogan at WM VIII - Brain Strowman isn't a good wrestlet - I actually enjoy watching John Cena's past matches.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Apr 7, 2017 7:20:19 GMT -5
If a wrestler arrived in ECW and cuts a shoot promo on how they were misused in WCW, people will say they're brilliant and had every right to be frustrated. If a wrestler hits the indy scene from TNA and cuts promos or goes of on social media about how terrible the place was, people will say they're brilliant and had every right to be frustrated. If a wrestler leaves the WWF/E and cuts a shoot promo in TNA or WCW or social media, people will say they should shut up as they're bitter and weren't any good in the first place. Honestly, I think that generally has to do with 2 things: 1. Every single wrestler TNA hired from WWE after a certain time cut that promo. It became such a habit of theirs that it began to just be expected. 2. The people TNA had cut those promos failed without exception, and most of them simply weren't good enough to make those claims. When people would jump around between WWE, WCW, and ECW, if they cut that promo, the company generally did their damnedest to make sure the character went somewhere. TNA just had them come in, cut the promo, and within a month they were no longer a big deal.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Apr 7, 2017 11:16:47 GMT -5
Sorry to double post, but something I was just talking about in another thread reminded me of this:
People need to calm the hell down about selling.
Look, this business is chock full of unrealistic nonsense. Undead magic zombies, egotistical pretty boys who look at themselves in their phone, dancing fat people who hang out with a white guy pretending to be Japanese, basically everything the Hardy's have ever done, vampires, evil Santas, rednecks who beat up their boss, guys who refer to themselves in the 3rd person...the list of ridiculous shit is neverending.
And people want to complain because someone didn't act like something hurt enough.
Are you f***ing serious? You can handle ALLLLLLLLL the other nonsense, but if a guy doesn't limp enough THAT'S what makes you lose your ability to suspend disbelief? Not the fact that he just supposedly got beaten down and dropped on his head 50 times and kicked out of 12 moves that would legitimately kill you if someone did it?
I get being involved in the characters and storylines and wanting to see them go this way or that way....but seriously. This entire business is built upon being ridiculous, and most never seem to complain about the most ridiculous parts. Just sit back and enjoy it, for f***'s sake.
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