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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Mar 8, 2017 5:30:36 GMT -5
Continuing on from my previous post about Bobby Heenan..
I've always found him to be a massive whinny bitch as they guy moaned endlessly about WCW. Because despite his endless bitching about how WCW mistreated him, WCW all accounts they gave him a pretty sweet deal. As they gave him a massive pay rise, a lighter schedule and health insurance to fix his neck which was someone that the WWE wouldn't do. Hell they were willing to put up with him announcing events drunk for quite some time. Which is something I really doubt that the WWE would be willing to do.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 8, 2017 9:24:20 GMT -5
Continuing on from my previous post about Bobby Heenan.. I've always found him to be a massive whinny bitch as they guy moaned endlessly about WCW. Because despite his endless bitching about how WCW mistreated him, WCW all accounts they gave him a pretty sweet deal. As they gave him a massive pay rise, a lighter schedule and health insurance to fix his neck which was someone that the WWE wouldn't do. Hell they were willing to put up with him announcing events drunk for quite some time. Which is something I really doubt that the WWE would be willing to do. That's one of the reasons I have little respect for Heenan. Tenay, Schiavone, Larry Z and others all had to work in the same environment as Bobby, likely for lesser pay to boot, but they all turned up willing to try while he'd halfass it and turn up drunk on air, but people forgive him because he's a legend and it's cool to crap on WCW even when the talent are the ones that were unprofessional. BILLIONS of people are unhappy with their job, but a tiny fraction of them work the relatively tiny number of hours Bobby did for WCW, got the lavish pay and benefits he did without being asked to take bumps, he should have sucked it up and acted like a professional.
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Post by Ozman on Mar 8, 2017 14:21:49 GMT -5
The Raw commentary team is much better than the Smackdown Live team. Michael Cole, Corey Graves and Byron Saxton understand their roles and seem to have found their groove as a three man team. Meanwhile, outside of Tom Phillips the SDL commentary is a mess. Mauro has regressed and has become a bit of a caricature, JBL is more annoying than "Heel Michael Cole" from 2011, and Otunga doesn't really add to the program.
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Post by chronocross on Mar 8, 2017 18:46:11 GMT -5
I thought Batista/HHH in Hell In A Cell was way better than Shawn/HHH in the HIAC match.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Mar 9, 2017 5:51:29 GMT -5
I thought Batista/HHH in Hell In A Cell was way better than Shawn/HHH in the HIAC match. Honestly I've always found the Shawn/HHH HIAC match to be really overrated and had it been around 15 minutes shorter it would of been much better.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Mar 9, 2017 6:38:19 GMT -5
I thought Batista/HHH in Hell In A Cell was way better than Shawn/HHH in the HIAC match. I think most people agree with this.
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Post by chronocross on Mar 9, 2017 6:52:26 GMT -5
I thought Batista/HHH in Hell In A Cell was way better than Shawn/HHH in the HIAC match. I think most people agree with this. Wasn't sure, I do remember hearing that some weren't too crazy about the HBK/HHH, but never too much praise about Batista/HHH in that encounter.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 9, 2017 9:47:29 GMT -5
I thought Batista/HHH in Hell In A Cell was way better than Shawn/HHH in the HIAC match. On that note, Batista was a much better all around talent than fans initially thought. Not even figuring in his role as Drax, he had a natural magnetism.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Mar 9, 2017 16:37:58 GMT -5
Only Rey Mysterio WWE matches I enjoyed were the ones with multiple guys involved (f.e. Elimination Chamber or the multi-tag matches in 02 with the SD6)
From 05 til his exit most of his singles matches were the same ol same ol repeat that bored me to death
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Post by chronocross on Mar 9, 2017 17:26:41 GMT -5
I thought Batista/HHH in Hell In A Cell was way better than Shawn/HHH in the HIAC match. On that note, Batista was a much better all around talent than fans initially thought. Not even figuring in his role as Drax, he had a natural magnetism. Without a doubt, I'm watching the Raws from late 04-early 2005 as they're slowly building towards HHH vs. Batista at Mania and they did a masterful job of building him up as someone who knew what HHH was up to. Especially when HHH had Smackdown footage play on Raw each week to entice Dave to challenge JBL instead of him at Mania and he caught on. That whole storyline is one of my favorites and the lead up to Mania put him over huge as a star.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 9, 2017 17:35:19 GMT -5
On that note, Batista was a much better all around talent than fans initially thought. Not even figuring in his role as Drax, he had a natural magnetism. Without a doubt, I'm watching the Raws from late 04-early 2005 as they're slowly building towards HHH vs. Batista at Mania and they did a masterful job of building him up as someone who knew what HHH was up to. Especially when HHH had Smackdown footage play on Raw each week to entice Dave to challenge JBL instead of him at Mania and he caught on. That whole storyline is one of my favorites and the lead up to Mania put him over huge as a star. One of my favorite moments was when Dave gave the thumbs down to challenge Hunter for Mania 21- Flair's expression. Utterly priceless.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Mar 10, 2017 3:17:28 GMT -5
I still like The Attitude Era.
I still like ECW; violence, headshots, and all.
I can see why WWE pushes Part Timers as their Top Stars for WRESTLEMANIA versus their regular workers. They're trying to get those Casual Viewers/Lapsed Fans to start watching/again, and they realize that many Casual/Former Fans, if they order/watch ANY wrestling show at some point, it's most likely going to be a WRESTLEMANIA, and as great of talents as the AJ Styles, Kevin Owens, ect. are, most Casual/Former fans are not going to order/watch based on them. However, Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, John Cena, The Undertaker....these are names that even non fans are going to instantly know, and I'm sure for many a Casual/Former fan, the idea of Goldberg vs. Brock Lesnar for the gold is something that is going to raise their interests more than AJ and whoever having a 5 star classic for the same title. However, the full time guys/girls like AJ don't get screwed over as much as the IWC think by this arrangement, as while Goldberg, Brock, and the like might draw them in, wrestlers like AJ, Owens, and the others might win them over to become regular viewers again, once Goldberg, Brock, and the others go back into hibernation, or at least, that's the hope. Point is, that's WWE strategy, and looking at the money made each year/network subscriptions gained from this practice, it's a pretty smart one, at least while they have stars like that to use in that capacity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 4:08:51 GMT -5
Kevin Owens is boring in every way conceivable.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 10, 2017 4:22:16 GMT -5
I still like The Attitude Era. I still like ECW; violence, headshots, and all. I can see why WWE pushes Part Timers as their Top Stars for WRESTLEMANIA versus their regular workers. They're trying to get those Casual Viewers/Lapsed Fans to start watching/again, and they realize that many Casual/Former Fans, if they order/watch ANY wrestling show at some point, it's most likely going to be a WRESTLEMANIA, and as great of talents as the AJ Styles, Kevin Owens, ect. are, most Casual/Former fans are not going to order/watch based on them. However, Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, John Cena, The Undertaker....these are names that even non fans are going to instantly know, and I'm sure for many a Casual/Former fan, the idea of Goldberg vs. Brock Lesnar for the gold is something that is going to raise their interests more than AJ and whoever having a 5 star classic for the same title. However, the full time guys/girls like AJ don't get screwed over as much as the IWC think by this arrangement, as while Goldberg, Brock, and the like might draw them in, wrestlers like AJ, Owens, and the others might win them over to become regular viewers again, once Goldberg, Brock, and the others go back into hibernation, or at least, that's the hope. Point is, that's WWE strategy, and looking at the money made each year/network subscriptions gained from this practice, it's a pretty smart one, at least while they have stars like that to use in that capacity. I'm halfway with you on the part timers. I get bringing them in, but having so many dilutes the specialness anyway, and I'd prefer them use them to put over the current product while they've got more attention. Basically rather than "Wow, Goldberg v Brock was awesome!" and not watching again, I'd prefer: "Wow, Goldberg and Brock had awesome matches with those guys, I wanna see more of them!"
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Mar 11, 2017 3:25:53 GMT -5
I still like The Attitude Era. I still like ECW; violence, headshots, and all. I can see why WWE pushes Part Timers as their Top Stars for WRESTLEMANIA versus their regular workers. They're trying to get those Casual Viewers/Lapsed Fans to start watching/again, and they realize that many Casual/Former Fans, if they order/watch ANY wrestling show at some point, it's most likely going to be a WRESTLEMANIA, and as great of talents as the AJ Styles, Kevin Owens, ect. are, most Casual/Former fans are not going to order/watch based on them. However, Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, John Cena, The Undertaker....these are names that even non fans are going to instantly know, and I'm sure for many a Casual/Former fan, the idea of Goldberg vs. Brock Lesnar for the gold is something that is going to raise their interests more than AJ and whoever having a 5 star classic for the same title. However, the full time guys/girls like AJ don't get screwed over as much as the IWC think by this arrangement, as while Goldberg, Brock, and the like might draw them in, wrestlers like AJ, Owens, and the others might win them over to become regular viewers again, once Goldberg, Brock, and the others go back into hibernation, or at least, that's the hope. Point is, that's WWE strategy, and looking at the money made each year/network subscriptions gained from this practice, it's a pretty smart one, at least while they have stars like that to use in that capacity. I'm halfway with you on the part timers. I get bringing them in, but having so many dilutes the specialness anyway, and I'd prefer them use them to put over the current product while they've got more attention. Basically rather than "Wow, Goldberg v Brock was awesome!" and not watching again, I'd prefer: "Wow, Goldberg and Brock had awesome matches with those guys, I wanna see more of them!" True, but could you see either Goldberg or Brock REALLY putting over someone like AJ or Owens, especially in the case of Brock? Maybe in his very last match, but not now. I look at the the whole Goldberg/Brock thing like this: I think WWE realize that Goldberg can't really work a match worth a shit past the 5 minute mark anymore, and that their match at this WM, if it goes beyond Brock simply squashing him and getting his win back, is going to suck so much that it makes their 2004 match look like Savage/Steamboat. However, perhaps in an attempt to make up for how badly they used him in 2003/4, they've performed a kind of beautiful illusion for Billy Boy, making him look like at least a semblance of what he was in 97/98, and because of that, building up a marquee matchup between he and Brock that will probably draw interest from people who didn't see Goldberg's other matches since he's returned, and thus, have no idea Goldberg's match working days are done. Yes, the match will suck, but it's not like either will have to worry about the stench from that match, as Goldberg will go back home and await his inevitable HoF induction next year, and Brock will go out as being the FINAL BOSS champ he was a couple of years ago, as a younger star will be built up (Probably Roman, but I think fans are just going to have to accept it at this point) to beat him. See, I don't think what people on here realize is that WM isn't really built on 5 star matches.....sure, they happen, but I don't think Vince and whoever are as worried about that as they are of "The 2 S's:" Stars and Spectacle. This is why the former stars of yesterday are brought back come WM time, and given such high profile matches. I mean, once again, the Casual/Lapsed fan isn't going to give a shit about AJ Styles or Kevin Owens in the main event, especially not at this point, and not even if they were facing Goldberg or Brock in one on one match ups, but Brock vs. Goldberg.....Holy Shit. That will get their attention, and that's the entire point. Now, where AJ and Owens will profit off of this is the fact that, as I said before, those people will tune in to see a turd of a match with Brock vs. Goldberg, but guys like AJ and Owens will get the chance to steal the show from Brock and Goldberg in the undercard, and be the lasting pluses in the minds of these people, who will hopefully tune in after WM to see Styles and Owens, and build towards the day when THEY are the Stars, as WWE doesn't have too many years left to be able to rely on guys like Brock, Goldberg, Rock, ect.
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Post by Aceorton on Mar 11, 2017 17:19:03 GMT -5
I liked the Fake Razor/Fake Diesel thing and was excited to see what would come of it. And I think the reason it tanked was not because it sucked but because they didn't take it far enough.
No. 1, Jim Ross should have been with them as their manager/mouthpiece anytime they were in the ring. No. 2, they should have built themselves up as a formidable stable with other "fakes" of guys who'd left for WCW (fake 1-2-3 Kid and fake Mr. Perfect, for example) They had a fake Double J already there with Jesse Jammes and just needed to add him. No. 3, they should have been beating down top guys, not Savio Vega. They ESPECIALLY should have been going after Shawn, who in turn should have hated them for impersonating his real-life friends. HBK, Bret, Sid, Taker and Vader would have to temporarily put aside their own differences to vanquish them, with Austin as a wild card still relentlessly messing with Bret.
It could have been a cool angle for a couple months. When the fakes were finally defeated, they could drop their "imitation personas" and go after JR for "misguiding" them.
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Post by madness50 on Mar 12, 2017 3:13:33 GMT -5
Continuing on from my previous post about Bobby Heenan.. I've always found him to be a massive whinny bitch as they guy moaned endlessly about WCW. Because despite his endless bitching about how WCW mistreated him, WCW all accounts they gave him a pretty sweet deal. As they gave him a massive pay rise, a lighter schedule and health insurance to fix his neck which was someone that the WWE wouldn't do. Hell they were willing to put up with him announcing events drunk for quite some time. Which is something I really doubt that the WWE would be willing to do. That's one of the reasons I have little respect for Heenan. Tenay, Schiavone, Larry Z and others all had to work in the same environment as Bobby, likely for lesser pay to boot, but they all turned up willing to try while he'd halfass it and turn up drunk on air, but people forgive him because he's a legend and it's cool to crap on WCW even when the talent are the ones that were unprofessional. BILLIONS of people are unhappy with their job, but a tiny fraction of them work the relatively tiny number of hours Bobby did for WCW, got the lavish pay and benefits he did without being asked to take bumps, he should have sucked it up and acted like a professional. I am a massive Heenan fan and I agree with you 100 percent on his attitude in WCW. He got paid very well and got to finally have that neck surgery he needed. I lost some respect for Heenan when he was drunk on air at Sturgis and at Superbrawl 1995. I would have fired his ass on the spot for that, surprised Bischoff let him get away with it.
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Post by chronocross on Mar 13, 2017 18:59:16 GMT -5
I liked Vince as ECW Champion, too bad WWE didn't run Hammerstein Ballroom at the time, the heat would've been off the charts.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 14, 2017 12:43:31 GMT -5
If Daniel Bryan suffered the numerous concussions he had prior to his WWE stint that ultimately contributed to his forced retirement inside a TNA ring, people would have been baying for Dixie's blood, and rightfully so, but since they happened in Ring of Honor and other popular indies, there's silence.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Mar 14, 2017 12:51:09 GMT -5
Jim Cornette would have made a better "advocate" for Suplex City-era Brock than Heyman.
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