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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 22, 2017 22:49:15 GMT -5
You're not allowed to be judgmental in here, pal!
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Aug 22, 2017 22:52:57 GMT -5
If I remember right, the reason he backed off was because Bad News had a gun. Even giants would have a hard time surviving a shot to the dome. With all respect, I'm calling BS on this. The incident happened in Japan, which has some of the most stringent gun ownership laws in the world. There's any number of reasons that Andre backed down but Brown having a gun is *cue Wallace Shawn* inconceivable. I actually dug around and found a few accounts of the story and no, Bad News didn't have a gun. They definitely got into it, and while saying that Andre backed down might be a bit of a stretch, he wound up apologizing when Bad News confronted him for a second time in the hotel lobby the next day. Nothing physical happened. Bad News even admitted later that he was scared, but knew he had to stand up for himself. He said something like "I knew he could hurt me really bad, but he would have known I was there when it was over." I think I mixed my story up with one that someone told (either Bret or Flair, I believe) where Bad News pulled a gun on Downtown Bruno for a similar thing, but then started laughing and said "Bruno, you ought to know I ain't gonna waste a bullet on your useless ass."
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Aug 23, 2017 10:10:14 GMT -5
With all respect, I'm calling BS on this. The incident happened in Japan, which has some of the most stringent gun ownership laws in the world. There's any number of reasons that Andre backed down but Brown having a gun is *cue Wallace Shawn* inconceivable. I actually dug around and found a few accounts of the story and no, Bad News didn't have a gun. They definitely got into it, and while saying that Andre backed down might be a bit of a stretch, he wound up apologizing when Bad News confronted him for a second time in the hotel lobby the next day. Nothing physical happened. Bad News even admitted later that he was scared, but knew he had to stand up for himself. He said something like "I knew he could hurt me really bad, but he would have known I was there when it was over." I think I mixed my story up with one that someone told (either Bret or Flair, I believe) where Bad News pulled a gun on Downtown Bruno for a similar thing, but then started laughing and said "Bruno, you ought to know I ain't gonna waste a bullet on your useless ass." I believe that was Brick House Brown. I remember there being a story about Kamala having a gun under his loin cloth, but I can't remember why.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 23, 2017 18:20:26 GMT -5
I actually dug around and found a few accounts of the story and no, Bad News didn't have a gun. They definitely got into it, and while saying that Andre backed down might be a bit of a stretch, he wound up apologizing when Bad News confronted him for a second time in the hotel lobby the next day. Nothing physical happened. Bad News even admitted later that he was scared, but knew he had to stand up for himself. He said something like "I knew he could hurt me really bad, but he would have known I was there when it was over." I think I mixed my story up with one that someone told (either Bret or Flair, I believe) where Bad News pulled a gun on Downtown Bruno for a similar thing, but then started laughing and said "Bruno, you ought to know I ain't gonna waste a bullet on your useless ass." I believe that was Brick House Brown. I remember there being a story about Kamala having a gun under his loin cloth, but I can't remember why. That was #KamalasPenis. Roll tide on that. Hypothetically. Simply. Double onion, double mayo motherf***er!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 13:05:11 GMT -5
Jinder had a better match with Shinsuke than Ziggler did Jinder vs. Nakamura was better than both of Nakamura vs. Roode matches. Also NXT is a poor developmental territory and an average super indie show. More average on the fact it's a super indie with giant corporate backing with a world class performance center, almost every big wrestling name signed on inflated contracts, highest production values, and the worlds best past talent on payroll as agents/trainers/coaches/etc. Yet with all that spending it's been producing mediocre results. It would be like if NXT is The LA Dodgers that has a talent pay roll of 150 million dollars plus undisclosed tens of millions of dollars more on front office staff and yet only producing a .540 - .550 in the standings when they should be at least .650 and ROH/NJPW/LU have a pay roll of 38 million dollars with nowhere the amount of ammenties yet are .530 - .540 in the standings.
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Post by zappa on Sept 11, 2017 8:10:29 GMT -5
Kevin Nash was a better worker than Scott Hall. Both of their in ring primes were 94-96 and Nash had more good matches during that time.
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Post by benstudd on Sept 11, 2017 14:40:12 GMT -5
Southpaw regional Wrestling is neither funny nor witty.. as it in my opinion pokes fun of the southern wrestling and fans.. It is also childish and it just shows why the WWE does not and never will understand why wrestling was so popular in the south.. they also should make fun of there fanbase and the product they had in the 80s before they poke fun at anyone else I usually never find anything the WWE does as funny most of the time. Not this, not the New Day, not the Fashion police. It's pretty much Vince humour. Or "wrestling people" humour and I don't remember any stuff in WCW to be funny either. Wrestling shows should stay away from it.
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Post by benstudd on Sept 11, 2017 14:43:48 GMT -5
Jinder had a better match with Shinsuke than Ziggler did Jinder vs. Nakamura was better than both of Nakamura vs. Roode matches. Also NXT is a poor developmental territory and an average super indie show. More average on the fact it's a super indie with giant corporate backing with a world class performance center, almost every big wrestling name signed on inflated contracts, highest production values, and the worlds best past talent on payroll as agents/trainers/coaches/etc. Yet with all that spending it's been producing mediocre results. It would be like if NXT is The LA Dodgers that has a talent pay roll of 150 million dollars plus undisclosed tens of millions of dollars more on front office staff and yet only producing a .540 - .550 in the standings when they should be at least .650 and ROH/NJPW/LU have a pay roll of 38 million dollars with nowhere the amount of ammenties yet are .530 - .540 in the standings. So far really Nakamura has not marvled the World with anything since coming to the WWE. At this point, I don't think we should throw any of his opponants under the bus.
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Post by benstudd on Sept 11, 2017 14:48:20 GMT -5
Kevin Nash was a better worker than Scott Hall. Both of their in ring primes were 94-96 and Nash had more good matches during that time. I don't disagree but I think most of it as been different opportunities. For example Nash faced Bret for the World title and it was well hyped and build and the design of the match was a masterpiece. We don't know if at the same place with the title on the line if Hall wouldn't have been as great or more. The main obstacle for Hall has been when he went to WCW, he was probably the next in line to be Champ after HBK if he stayed in the WWF and when he went to WCW he became mainly a tag team specialist.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 15:08:18 GMT -5
Jinder vs. Nakamura was better than both of Nakamura vs. Roode matches. Also NXT is a poor developmental territory and an average super indie show. More average on the fact it's a super indie with giant corporate backing with a world class performance center, almost every big wrestling name signed on inflated contracts, highest production values, and the worlds best past talent on payroll as agents/trainers/coaches/etc. Yet with all that spending it's been producing mediocre results. It would be like if NXT is The LA Dodgers that has a talent pay roll of 150 million dollars plus undisclosed tens of millions of dollars more on front office staff and yet only producing a .540 - .550 in the standings when they should be at least .650 and ROH/NJPW/LU have a pay roll of 38 million dollars with nowhere the amount of ammenties yet are .530 - .540 in the standings. So far really Nakamura has not marvled the World with anything since coming to the WWE. At this point, I don't think we should throw any of his opponants under the bus. That's because he's in the Randy Orton'ing/Great Muta'ing in the point of his career. Dude is so injured and banged up that he went to the WWE because WWE Schedule is less brutal on his body than the physicality of NJPW. Dude can barely even lift his arms past his shoulders anymore. So he's being like the Great Muta and Randy Orton of only wrestling clinics when he needs to and is getting by on his charisma and name value. Dude has been on a major winning streak lately the last month having a great match with John Cena, Randy Orton, and giving Jinder Mahal his best match yet. Nakamura also did have a great match against Ziggler the second time around, his debut match against Zayn, and handful of solid matches with Samoa Joe. Plus before WWE and earlier this decade Nakamura was one of the best wrestlers in the world if not the best wrestler in the world. I'm giving Nakamura a lot more leeway than Bobby Roode who has wrestled in a handful of great singles matches in his entire career and has wrestled in a even more plodding pace since arriving in the WWE. Not discrediting Roode because he is one of the best talkers in wrestling today, has a strong personality, and a great look which is perfect for WWE TV especially since those skills are in a major shortage in today's wrestling scenes. But he was seriously out of place in NXT as the main event which is presented more like a "Super Indie" that heavily relies on having MOTYC matches usually in the tune of a fast paced kickout fest style at Takeovers. Which is one of my problems with NXT that it tries more of being a Super Indie than a Developmental Brand. But even if you're trying to focus more on a Super Indie than Bobby Roode should be wrestling shorter 10-15 min matches then a 20-25 min for the sake of it being long snoozefest. I'm not saying long slow pace matches are boring and don't work in the WWE. Neville wrestles at an even slower pace than Roode is currently WWE's best in ring wrestler which is my long winded point that Bobby Roode was never a great singles wrestler. He's a good wrestler but an glorious talker with an great look and can be an amazing character. I have given NXT shit for not developing it's talents on the main roster but in the case of Roode he has already all the skills to succeed on the main roster and I guess NXT forced Bobby Roode to develop on his biggest weakness which is his in ring skills even though he'll probably struggle less on the main roster than he did on NXT. Kudo's?
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Post by benstudd on Sept 11, 2017 22:38:10 GMT -5
So far really Nakamura has not marvled the World with anything since coming to the WWE. At this point, I don't think we should throw any of his opponants under the bus. That's because he's in the Randy Orton'ing/Great Muta'ing in the point of his career. Dude is so injured and banged up that he went to the WWE because WWE Schedule is less brutal on his body than the physicality of NJPW. Dude can barely even lift his arms past his shoulders anymore. So he's being like the Great Muta and Randy Orton of only wrestling clinics when he needs to and is getting by on his charisma and name value. Dude has been on a major winning streak lately the last month having a great match with John Cena, Randy Orton, and giving Jinder Mahal his best match yet. Nakamura also did have a great match against Ziggler the second time around, his debut match against Zayn, and handful of solid matches with Samoa Joe. Plus before WWE and earlier this decade Nakamura was one of the best wrestlers in the world if not the best wrestler in the world. I'm giving Nakamura a lot more leeway than Bobby Roode who has wrestled in a handful of great singles matches in his entire career and has wrestled in a even more plodding pace since arriving in the WWE. Not discrediting Roode because he is one of the best talkers in wrestling today, has a strong personality, and a great look which is perfect for WWE TV especially since those skills are in a major shortage in today's wrestling scenes. But he was seriously out of place in NXT as the main event which is presented more like a "Super Indie" that heavily relies on having MOTYC matches usually in the tune of a fast paced kickout fest style at Takeovers. Which is one of my problems with NXT that it tries more of being a Super Indie than a Developmental Brand. But even if you're trying to focus more on a Super Indie than Bobby Roode should be wrestling shorter 10-15 min matches then a 20-25 min for the sake of it being long snoozefest. I'm not saying long slow pace matches are boring and don't work in the WWE. Neville wrestles at an even slower pace than Roode is currently WWE's best in ring wrestler which is my long winded point that Bobby Roode was never a great singles wrestler. He's a good wrestler but an glorious talker with an great look and can be an amazing character. I have given NXT shit for not developing it's talents on the main roster but in the case of Roode he has already all the skills to succeed on the main roster and I guess NXT forced Bobby Roode to develop on his biggest weakness which is his in ring skills even though he'll probably struggle less on the main roster than he did on NXT. Kudo's? I didn't think his matches against Cena and Orton were any great, personally. And I didn't like the Jinder match at all. But not only for injuries but I feel like WWE style is hurting Nakamura. At the time Nakamura had his great match with AJ in Japan, Meltzer was saying Nakamura was the best wrestler in the World and Dave lately was shocked about the poor quality of his work in the WWE. The discussion went that maybe it's the environment, the platform that is detrimental to the work. And I don't disagree with that. I'm having a hard time enjoying matches unless it's over-booked Strowman spot match. The Strowman and Brock matches are the most entertaining at this point. About Muta, I never had a problem with his work in the US, even when he was older. Although WCW was less restrictive in what guys could do.
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Post by reboundking on Sept 12, 2017 2:54:48 GMT -5
WCW made a mistake getting rid of Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Roddy Piper, Curt Hennig, Eric Bischoff, Vince Russo and also made a mistake phasing out the likes of Kevin Nash, Sting, Goldberg, Lex Luger and Ric Flair.
You know what would really have helped save WCW? Why get rid of all the big names when getting rid of both Scott Hall and Scott Steiner would have sufficed in improving WCW's already bad locker room morale, especially with the locker room at its worst with Hall's drinking problems and Steiner only cared about himself more than his company, co-workers and bosses when he chose to antagonize Ric Flair and DDP in shoot promos or harassed Kimberly.
Backstage politicians are much more tolerable than problem children performers than people think.
With that said, Steiner should've been canned from WCW the moment he either antagonized Flair or chose to engage in violent behavior with DDP or engage in sexual deviance with Kimberly.
And we shouldnt pin their problems on Rick Steiner or Kevin Nash for not doing something to stop Scott Steiner and Scott Hall from pissing away their monster talents in various ways? It's sad that Rick and Nash have to absorb so much grief because their respective troubled bro and buddy are both problematic to deal with, and who knows what kind of set of problems with Steiner and Hall we're dealing with?
Rick and Nash didn't choose to watch Scott Steiner and Scott Hall self destruct, no, Rick and Nash wanted the best of them to be the best people they could be. But instead, Scott Steiner and Scott Hall chose to bring their problems on themselves.
In the end, the bulk of the WCW locker room turmoil can only fall on Scott Steiner and Scott Hall in a just world.
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on Sept 12, 2017 3:27:46 GMT -5
I don't know how popular or unpopular this is present day, but
Matt Striker is one of the worst announcers in wrestling today and is legitimately one of the reasons that I don't watch Lucha Underground more often. He completely ruins any immersion or atmosphere that the show could have with his commentary of "WOAH THIS IS SO AWESOME WOAH I'M MARKING OUT BRO WOAH HERE'S A PUN"
Lucha Underground commentary comes off like a Rifftrax half the time and it just shatters any possible immersion. Like, I know that the show is completely crazy, but I don't need some dork telling me. Just let me get invested in the show.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 12, 2017 3:29:52 GMT -5
I don't know how popular or unpopular this is present day, but Matt Striker is one of the worst announcers in wrestling today and is legitimately one of the reasons that I don't watch Lucha Underground more often. He completely ruins any immersion or atmosphere that the show could have with his commentary of "WOAH THIS IS SO AWESOME WOAH I'M MARKING OUT BRO WOAH HERE'S A PUN" Remember that TripleMania where he pointed out that the punches weren't worked during the show?
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on Sept 12, 2017 3:32:51 GMT -5
I don't know how popular or unpopular this is present day, but Matt Striker is one of the worst announcers in wrestling today and is legitimately one of the reasons that I don't watch Lucha Underground more often. He completely ruins any immersion or atmosphere that the show could have with his commentary of "WOAH THIS IS SO AWESOME WOAH I'M MARKING OUT BRO WOAH HERE'S A PUN" Remember that TripleMania where he pointed out that the punches weren't worked during the show? NO KNEE SLAPS HERE, THIS IS LUCHA What a f***ing moron, lol
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 12, 2017 4:24:58 GMT -5
I don't know how popular or unpopular this is present day, but Matt Striker is one of the worst announcers in wrestling today and is legitimately one of the reasons that I don't watch Lucha Underground more often. He completely ruins any immersion or atmosphere that the show could have with his commentary of "WOAH THIS IS SO AWESOME WOAH I'M MARKING OUT BRO WOAH HERE'S A PUN" Remember that TripleMania where he pointed out that the punches weren't worked during the show? I like Matt usually, but that line, OOF. That was awful. I will cut him some slack in that he was given a really shit assignment that night, trying to cover for a show with a myriad of technical problems, while being tasked with trying to sell newbies on the product, since a big aim of that Triplemania was trying to find fans outside of Mexico for AAA. Naturally, the company weren't giving him a whole lot to work with. Still, criminy, I hated that line.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 12, 2017 4:29:58 GMT -5
I actually dug around and found a few accounts of the story and no, Bad News didn't have a gun. They definitely got into it, and while saying that Andre backed down might be a bit of a stretch, he wound up apologizing when Bad News confronted him for a second time in the hotel lobby the next day. Nothing physical happened. Bad News even admitted later that he was scared, but knew he had to stand up for himself. He said something like "I knew he could hurt me really bad, but he would have known I was there when it was over." I think I mixed my story up with one that someone told (either Bret or Flair, I believe) where Bad News pulled a gun on Downtown Bruno for a similar thing, but then started laughing and said "Bruno, you ought to know I ain't gonna waste a bullet on your useless ass." I believe that was Brick House Brown. I remember there being a story about Kamala having a gun under his loin cloth, but I can't remember why. That was absolutely Brickhouse Brown. Foley told the story. Like, it's possible Bret or Flair would have also known it, but they weren't present, whereas I think Foley was, when he was recounting how Bruno/Wippleman had been the victim of especially cruel practical jokes, even if that one was because he had a habit of telling racist jokes to the locker room. I think this was Memphis, and Bret wouldn't have been there, and Flair, if he was, would not have been a regular. Flair was part of another prank on Bruno, though, making him believe WCW was going to hire him, but taking back the offer because Bruno smelled of booze and saying WCW wouldn't hire a drunk. That was in cahoots with Sid, who did at least legitimately get him a job in WWF, so I guess he made up for that one.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Oct 19, 2017 14:28:37 GMT -5
The only reason people don't give Cody Rhodes the credit he deserves is because he's Cody Rhodes. His matches post-WWE have been consistently good, his mic and character work are fantastic, and he's only getting better at everything.
If he had been anyone else in the business, he would be universally praised for his post-WWE work. But, in true IWC fashion, people shit on his actual good work, and praise his "dashing" phase where he was actually pretty terrible.
It makes me laugh when people talk shit about his Okada match, because it was actually damn good, even garnering 4.5 stars from Meltzer.
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