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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 12, 2017 19:37:39 GMT -5
I guess I'll do another one. It seems to be the "HAWT THANG" right now, but I couldn't give a single f*** about most British wrestling. Marty Scurll, Ospreay, Tyler Bate, Pete Dunn, Progress, RevPro, etc. do nothing for me and I usually skip their matches/shows no matter how acclaimed they are. I'm sure most will want to tar and feather me for this opinion, but goddammit, this is our safe space and I need to get this off of my chest.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 12, 2017 19:38:15 GMT -5
I was always a big Punk fan, but I agree 100% on Finn Blander. I would compare him to watching paint dry, but I feel like that would be downplaying the excitement of watching paint dry. Plus, once paint is dry, I actually like it. I was just reminded of something that I've been seeing a lot of that I don't get: People who say shit like "I don't ever want to see Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn in the same ring again" are f***ing crazy. What is it you don't want to see? The consistently great matches against each other? The fantastic tag-team they are? The wonderful promos with actual depth and emotion? The crowd enjoying themselves? Actual chemistry? It's seriously mind-boggling when people say that. I don't know if this counts as baiting or not, but you basically directly quoted me - I am pretty sure I am in a minority in not wanting them to wrestle any more. Not a particularly small one, but a minority nonetheless. I second on that never wanting to see a KO/Sami match again
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Post by somsta on Jun 12, 2017 20:01:19 GMT -5
From Survivor Series 1997 - to Wrestlemania 15, Vince McMahon was one of the greatest characters in wrestling history. From that Mania on he usually sucked. Almost seems like a different person.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jun 12, 2017 21:02:08 GMT -5
I guess I'll do another one. It seems to be the "HAWT THANG" right now, but I couldn't give a single f*** about most British wrestling. Marty Scurll, Ospreay, Tyler Bate, Pete Dunn, Progress, RevPro, etc. do nothing for me and I usually skip their matches/shows no matter how acclaimed they are. I'm sure most will want to tar and feather me for this opinion, but goddammit, this is our safe space and I need to get this off of my chest. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SAFE SPACE FREE FROM YOUR JUDGMENTAL GIFS!
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 12, 2017 21:06:40 GMT -5
THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SAFE SPACE FREE FROM YOUR JUDGMENTAL GIFS!
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Post by The Blue Nova on Jun 12, 2017 23:25:29 GMT -5
WWE is Full of revisionists history and constantly crap on southern wrestling and make fun of it.. when at times promotions like WCCW Memphis and others were more watchable then WWE
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Post by The Blue Nova on Jun 12, 2017 23:27:03 GMT -5
The Bret Hart vs Bob Backlund Submission Match is one of the worst matches I've ever seen. You are not alone I am pretty sure Bret wrote in his bio that was one of the worst matches he was ever in
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 13, 2017 7:48:45 GMT -5
A good performer can make performing 'boring' moves look like death using their facial expressions, body language and a lick of common sense when it comes to applying them.
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Post by the2ndevil on Jun 14, 2017 1:55:29 GMT -5
Omega Vs. Okada at Wrestle Kingdom was three stars at best.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 6:27:14 GMT -5
While watching older stuff, one thing came to mind: stand-alone broadcasters just don't appeal to me. Watching Vince or Gorilla doing MSG shows by themselves bring the show down for me. Calling the match straight is fine, but you're only getting what's being seen at face value. That's why I seek out Spectrum events. Dick Graham & Kal Rudman may not be the best two-man team ever, but the back and forth engages me more into the product. Dick likes a lot of the good guys, Kal has his favorites as well.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 14, 2017 9:07:10 GMT -5
- I think there is merit in "shoving a wrestler down the fans' throats", at least when it comes to sustaining a push that can create a drawing superstar. Granted, the push can't be too hard to where they're invincible for too long, but if a promotion wants a new top star, said wrestler needs periods of time where 1) they don't lose clean and 2) they don't lose dirty, either. Casual crowds want to see winners. It's always a better option than 50/50 booking, which helps no one.
- Watching old shows with Heenan and Lawler on commentary leaves me conflicted. They're great talkers and they've got natural wit, but some of the racial jokes Heenan made and the creepy comments King threw out at women don't hold up at all.
- I can't wait for Omega/Okada III, but it's way too early for me to call their series "the greatest matches ever". There's other fights in NJPW, WWE and elsewhere that are also in the mix for my favorite 2017 match.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 11:28:25 GMT -5
The sheer hyperbolic praise the Okada/Omega matches are getting actually makes me want to see them much less. Both guys having a match described, essentially, as the greatest pro wrestling match in history, then having another match six months later that's supposedly even better than the greatest match in history...I feel like there's no way either of them can live up to that level of hype, and that I'm inevitably going to end up disappointed when I end up watching them.
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Post by chronocross on Jun 15, 2017 11:31:09 GMT -5
I know reaction shots are overkill these days, but I don't mind them too much and WWE did them back in the day as well, whenever Taker would come out, they would show the kids looking scared shitless and adults looking in awe of him.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 16, 2017 9:13:44 GMT -5
The sheer hyperbolic praise the Okada/Omega matches are getting actually makes me want to see them much less. Both guys having a match described, essentially, as the greatest pro wrestling match in history, then having another match six months later that's supposedly even better than the greatest match in history...I feel like there's no way either of them can live up to that level of hype, and that I'm inevitably going to end up disappointed when I end up watching them. Meltzer is a massive New Japan mark, but I do see why he finds the matches so exciting. If you're expecting your eyes to melt because "oh my god, it's so beautiful!", then one would probably be disappointed. It's better to go in with the mentality that you're just going to see something fun.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 17:06:06 GMT -5
I know reaction shots are overkill these days, but I don't mind them too much and WWE did them back in the day as well, whenever Taker would come out, they would show the kids looking scared shitless and adults looking in awe of him. Well, there would also be the flipside; the reaction shots that take you out of a match because you're seeing some bloated narwhal looking pissed... While we're looking at him, we don't get to see Fuji pulling the salt out his trunks and blinding Chief Jay Strongbow. Just see a cloud and Jay on the mat writhing in agony.
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Post by nate5054 on Jun 17, 2017 1:13:48 GMT -5
I like everything about professional wrestling other than the wrestling.
Which even I find bizarre.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jun 17, 2017 2:33:21 GMT -5
The sheer hyperbolic praise the Okada/Omega matches are getting actually makes me want to see them much less. Both guys having a match described, essentially, as the greatest pro wrestling match in history, then having another match six months later that's supposedly even better than the greatest match in history...I feel like there's no way either of them can live up to that level of hype, and that I'm inevitably going to end up disappointed when I end up watching them. Meltzer is a massive New Japan mark, but I do see why he finds the matches so exciting. If you're expecting your eyes to melt because "oh my god, it's so beautiful!", then one would probably be disappointed. It's better to go in with the mentality that you're just going to see something fun. To be honest, the exagerrated praise those type of matches get harms the reception a bit. People who have invested no time in following story lines in the promotion end up watching them flat and being like "that's it? Japan overrated marks lol". I thought Naito/Tana was brilliant because of the amount of story behind it.
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Post by TGM on Jun 17, 2017 3:45:26 GMT -5
A good performer can make performing 'boring' moves look like death using their facial expressions, body language and a lick of common sense when it comes to applying them. What's sacrilegious about this opinion?
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jun 17, 2017 4:29:04 GMT -5
My take on the first Okada vs Omega match is that it wasn't even the best New Japan match I've seen on AXS TV. I am much higher on one of the Okada vs Tanahashi matches as well as Okada vs Makabe.
As for the second match, I didn't know it had happened. If I see it, fine, but I'm not going out of my way to do it.
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Post by The Barber on Jun 17, 2017 5:26:10 GMT -5
I don't know if I've said it here before, but if so, I'll say it again:
Shawn Michaels SUCKS! His attitude outside of the ring effects my opinion of his in ring work (which was vastly overhyped). The same is true of JBL.
The Montreal Screwjob was a work.
I could care less about wrestling. I'd rather watch an hour of good promos than an hour of good wrestling.
Iron man matches bore the hell out of me. They're only fun for the last ten minutes.
I actually liked TNA and thought that it was the best wrestling program of the 2000s.
The Undertaker's streak should have ended 10 years sooner than it did.
The best Royal Rumble is the 1999 Rumble. f*** that overrated (but still good) 1992 Rumble.
Most of the WWE's 'comedy' is more groan inducing than funny, even back then.
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