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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 26, 2017 6:16:17 GMT -5
The Billionaire Ted skits went on for months and weren't just a hatchet job on him, but on two guys whose hard work built the WWF in Savage and Hogan, oh, and Gene Okerlund too, I suppose. And let's not forget the WWF trying to run anti Ted Turner print ads and planning to have the Huckster and Nacho Man 'wrestle' at WrestleMania. Petty, petty, petty bull****, people only think TNA's idiocy comes close to that level because it's more recent. I mean we can always bring up one of the recent examples of petty bullshit on TNA end with them trying to stop AJ Styles from debuting at the Rumble. The WWF did that all the time to try and screw with WCW and others back in the day, claiming talent were still under contract on the day of events, or not signing release paperwork correctly to try and prevent debuts so again, same crap, just more recent.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 26, 2017 10:18:40 GMT -5
I mean we can always bring up one of the recent examples of petty bullshit on TNA end with them trying to stop AJ Styles from debuting at the Rumble. The WWF did that all the time to try and screw with WCW and others back in the day, claiming talent were still under contract on the day of events, or not signing release paperwork correctly to try and prevent debuts so again, same crap, just more recent. Listen, no one is saying WWE is clean. Hell, they're the dirtiest one of the dirtiest promotions ever in a landscape where everyone is dirty. So just because WWE is mega dirty does not mean TNA isn't. Stop what the "but yeahs" because you just completely glossed over that like it was nothing. That was back over 10 years ago WWE was doing that, not now. When I say stop with the but yeahs I mean stop with rebuttals of WWE did it as if it's a qualifier. Answer me this, can you gloss over the Daffney situation, Jessie Sorrensen being lied to by Dixie, Dixie straight up lying to Corgan about giving him control of the company despite signing a contract only because she needed his money. So once again everyone knows WWE is scummy but you keep glossing over TNA like they are clean or "less dirty" when they've been real scummy in recent years. They are still doing shit today that WWE, WCW and other promotions were doing back in the day.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 26, 2017 11:24:29 GMT -5
The WWF did that all the time to try and screw with WCW and others back in the day, claiming talent were still under contract on the day of events, or not signing release paperwork correctly to try and prevent debuts so again, same crap, just more recent. Listen, no one is saying WWE is clean. Hell, they're the dirtiest one of the dirtiest promotions ever in a landscape where everyone is dirty. So just because WWE is mega dirty does not mean TNA isn't. Stop what the "but yeahs" because you just completely glossed over that like it was nothing. That was back over 10 years ago WWE was doing that, now now. Answer me this, can you gloss over the Daffney situation, Jessie Sorrensen being lied to by Dixie, Dixie straight up lying to Corgan about giving him control of the company despite signing a contract only because she needed his money. So once again everyone knows WWE is scummy but you keep glossing over TNA like they are squeaky clean when they've been real scummy in recent years. They are still doing shit today that WWE, WCW and other promotions were doing back in the day. Feel free to quote any point where I have said TNA are in the right, pointing out that other promotions like the WWF have done the exact same crap is not granting them absolution, it is just a statement of fact. Everyone knows the WWE are scummy, everyone knows TNA are scummy, not mentioning their other acts of scumminess when making points about specific acts and comparing them to wrestling history is not 'glossing over' a thing. Check my posting history, I've been consistent about hoping Daffney takes them to the cleaners, my disgust over Jesse Sorensen and to this day I wish both he and Jesse Neal would take legal action against TNA or Dixie, but whatever. I'm not going to get into a prolonged argument over not hating a bad company enough.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 26, 2017 11:36:03 GMT -5
Listen, no one is saying WWE is clean. Hell, they're the dirtiest one of the dirtiest promotions ever in a landscape where everyone is dirty. So just because WWE is mega dirty does not mean TNA isn't. Stop what the "but yeahs" because you just completely glossed over that like it was nothing. That was back over 10 years ago WWE was doing that, now now. Answer me this, can you gloss over the Daffney situation, Jessie Sorrensen being lied to by Dixie, Dixie straight up lying to Corgan about giving him control of the company despite signing a contract only because she needed his money. So once again everyone knows WWE is scummy but you keep glossing over TNA like they are squeaky clean when they've been real scummy in recent years. They are still doing shit today that WWE, WCW and other promotions were doing back in the day. Feel free to quote any point where I have said TNA are in the right, pointing out that other promotions like the WWF have done the exact same crap is not granting them absolution, it is just a statement of fact. Everyone knows the WWE are scummy, everyone knows TNA are scummy, not mentioning their other acts of scumminess when making points about specific acts and comparing them to wrestling history is not 'glossing over' a thing. Check my posting history, I've been consistent about hoping Daffney takes them to the cleaners, my disgust over Jesse Sorensen and to this day I wish both he and Jesse Neal would take legal action against TNA or Dixie, but whatever. I'm not going to get into a prolonged argument over not hating a bad company enough. It's never an argument, it's a discussion.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Jun 26, 2017 11:38:23 GMT -5
I like James Ellsworth in his new role. MitB did not change that opinion
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Post by zappa on Jun 26, 2017 13:34:51 GMT -5
For all the criticism Hogan gets at least he reinvented himself in 96 with heel NWO angle while Ric Flair has been doing the same act since the early 80's and never did anything memorable after 1990.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Jun 27, 2017 20:05:49 GMT -5
I don't think the Rock/Austin "My Way" video is all that great. Limp Bizkit is definitely a period-appropriate music choice, and it works well as a time capsule for early '00s pop culture, but it doesn't feel epic to me. Once it's all like "And here's Debra!" a minute in, I want to start laughing.
Or maybe it's just because "Rollin'" is my preferred trash Limp Bizkit jam, y'know?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 28, 2017 1:06:45 GMT -5
Cody Rhodes is so generic that I'd honestly watch a Mike Bennett match over him. And you will get your wish
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Post by chronocross on Jul 7, 2017 5:54:39 GMT -5
I think Michael Cole is a good commentator.
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Post by A damn road sign on Jul 9, 2017 10:19:47 GMT -5
Chris Benoit matches used to bore me to tears, unless he was wrestling somebody I was a big fan of. Especially the tail end of his career where it was literally chop, chop, chop, German suplex. Just really, really dull.
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Post by myrvarg on Aug 16, 2017 20:29:15 GMT -5
CM Punk's long title run was underwhelming at best. The matches delivered but bad writing squandered his mic work. He went around saying, "I SPEAK MY MIND! " every week while still remaining underneath Cena on pay per views.
His storyline with AJ Lee was extremely cringeworthy, I vomited a little when he started spouting off the "I dig crazy chicks" line. He is supposed be an rebellious anti hero, he should be involved doing Austin esque shenanigans not reciting dialogue that sounds like it's from a sucky wrestling fan fiction a middle school kid wrote. That storyline is straight up embarrassing. More so than getting knocked out in short order in UFC.
The heel turn was no better, he just became a generic "You will respect me!" heel when we all know Punk is capable of so much more as a heel.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Aug 17, 2017 5:59:48 GMT -5
No, Steamboat would have been an awful heel. In those instances you mentioned, all he was was a babyface getting retribution for the bad things the heels did to them. He didn't have the arrogance or underhanded nature needed to sustain a fully-fledged villain persona. He was fine the way he was. It's not as cut and dry as getting retribution. The guy who had previously been portrayed as the smiling white meat "here's my wife and baby" babyface who never throws a closed fist let alone uses a weapon suddenly throws down a referee and repeatedly waffles a guy with a chair. Why? Because the guy got himself disqualified. This isn't a situation like the Savage feud where he had been attacked and injured. It was a US title match that he was in because he was the former world champion who was bumped out of a rematch in favor of a guy who had been doing commentary. He didn't need arrogance or underhandedness. He had anger. A few well placed attacks with the chair and the double arm chicken wing, a video of his wife with their baby in her arms pleading for him to stop, Ricky responding that he couldn't stop because not only did he have to do what was right for himself, he had to show his son to stand up for himself... Boom. The only problem with the scenario is timing. Flair was tied up with Funk, Sting was with Muta. That basically leaves Luger in a battle of the odd men out, and obviously the face/heel dynamic there needed to be exactly as it was. But I have no doubt he could have been a heel. Steamboat as a heel who genuinely believes he's in the right and that he's just expressing righteous anger and having to provide for his family/son, would have been fantastic. But it would also have been way too shades-of-gray for the time, you just didn't get those sorts of cool/likeable heel figures in that era. He'd have been a less disingenuous Prizefighter Kevin Owens, and while that'd have been cool it would also have been very, very jarring compared to the rest of the product.
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Post by Kevin Dunn on Aug 17, 2017 19:08:39 GMT -5
Diesel is the goat!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 23:16:03 GMT -5
I don't care for Alexa Bliss or Carmella and wouldn't be sad if they left.
The rest of the women (sans Sasha Banks, which I've already mentioned in this thread), I don't mind.
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Post by benstudd on Aug 18, 2017 1:16:06 GMT -5
A lot of wrestlers that were both in the WWF/E and WCW for a long time were better used in WCW.
Bret Hart was a Great talker. No bullshit stuff with cute phrases, he was real.
I find that Bobby Lashley was better in TNA when he wasn't talking and MVP was his spokesman. I thought he came off as a more intimidating monster. He is a good talker now but somehow his character is less effective and iconic. The way he speaks is almost too laidback and he doesn't have an intimidating voice so it doesn't help.
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Post by TGM on Aug 18, 2017 4:44:33 GMT -5
Bret Hart was a Great talker. No bullshit stuff with cute phrases, he was real. I've seen somebody claim that Bret is "death on the mic" before now. It seeems people think that if you can't cut promos like The Rock, then you can't cut promos at all.
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Post by KobashiChop on Aug 18, 2017 8:47:50 GMT -5
Bret Hart was a Great talker. No bullshit stuff with cute phrases, he was real. I've seen somebody claim that Bret is "death on the mic" before now. It seeems people think that if you can't cut promos like The Rock, then you can't cut promos at all. "Im not greedy for money, Im greedy for respect. And when this thing is all said and done, you will respect me." Thats a killer line. Plus the El Dandy promo, the Hart Foundation promos in 97, the Toronto promo on Goldberg. Dude is crazy underrated.
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Post by hesgotabithycle on Aug 18, 2017 9:03:12 GMT -5
Eddie Guerrero was a middling, inconsequential midcarder who never put asses in seats. He is not a legend.
No other wrestler that has passed before his time has had his career inflated more than Guerrero.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 9:39:27 GMT -5
I think Bad Luck Fale is one of the better "Big Men" in wrestling... because he finds the line between being "immobile giant" and "not moving enough like a giant" and walks it perfectly.
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Post by benstudd on Aug 18, 2017 11:21:12 GMT -5
Bret Hart was a Great talker. No bullshit stuff with cute phrases, he was real. I've seen somebody claim that Bret is "death on the mic" before now. It seeems people think that if you can't cut promos like The Rock, then you can't cut promos at all. Guys like Flair and Rock were exciting and funny and great. I just prefer the style of Bret. Where you have to convince the fans that this is real, it's not a clown show, that you are really mad at your opponant. In that same vein I was a big fan of the mic work of Arn Anderson.
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