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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 12, 2016 12:13:20 GMT -5
January 7th of 2015 at some 2 in the morning I listened to a horrendous softball interview conducted by Jim Ross with seemingly pre-approved questions and a whole lot of fluff. These are my posts that I typed out while groggy but excited with the crap I was listening to. AJ Styles now. He was just coming into his own in the last year. That's what she claims. Just this last year. Dixie continuing on AJ after the "coming into his own in the last year" bit, JR slings her a "pain the ass" comment referring to wrestlers out of nowhere. She segues into a rant about not having time for pain in her ass guys because if she lets one do that what's going to stop everyone else from acting that way. She works too hard blah blah blah fans deserve more. If wrestlers want to come and have a great time and be a part of a great locker room then come on. But if that's not what you want to be then we're not the place for you. "I don't care how big you are, I'm sorry". JR responds with: "yeah move on. That's easy. Go use those other amazingly marketable skills you have to maintain your quality of life in something you wanted to do all of your entire adult life since you're here and don't want to make the most of it. My theory was always if I can't solve your problem then I eliminate it. But you always try to solve it first". I can't decipher Ross's point there, it ALMOST sounded like he was berating her for letting it get to that point with AJ underhandedly without her noticing but with how this podcast has been I really can't tell. I found that whole exchange pretty interesting. So what does everyone think about that second part in particular? Says a lot about Dixie's view on everything. Looking back, JR's line about "Go use those other amazingly marketable skills you have to maintain your quality of life in something you wanted to do all of your entire adult life since you're here and don't want to make the most of it." is pretty damn funny. He put AJ over without Dixie really catching on and did it in a tone where it sounded like he was still backing Dixie up. I guess good ol' fluffer JR had to draw the line somewhere on this show on how much smoke he was gonna blow up her ass. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 12, 2016 12:19:35 GMT -5
I remember people being hyped for this interview.
Then it came out and it was the just the softest of softball... "why are you so great?!" style questions.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 12, 2016 12:20:01 GMT -5
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 12, 2016 12:22:22 GMT -5
I like how she acts her and AJ split ways because he was a "pain in her ass".
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on Sept 12, 2016 12:23:38 GMT -5
Remember when John Gaburick tried to lowball him on a new contract because he didn't think he'd succeed anywhere else?
Good job with that one, bruh.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 12, 2016 12:24:06 GMT -5
I like how she acts her and AJ split ways because he was a "pain in her ass". Yeah. How dare he want to be "treated fairly" or "paid". |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 12, 2016 12:34:43 GMT -5
Remember when John Gaburick tried to lowball him on a new contract because he didn't think he'd succeed anywhere else? Good job with that one, bruh. I don't think that's why they offered him a lower contract. Either they give AJ that fatter contract he wanted and no one else gets paid (which might lead to a AJ getting heat with the boys) or AJ signed for a lower salary and whatever money they saved goes to everyone else. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 12, 2016 12:42:24 GMT -5
Remember when John Gaburick tried to lowball him on a new contract because he didn't think he'd succeed anywhere else? Good job with that one, bruh.  The whole thing and U know it. If you dont give the face that runs the place that paper who the hell are u going to give it too |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 12, 2016 12:46:27 GMT -5
I don't think that's why they offered him a lower contract. Either they give AJ that fatter contract he wanted and no one else gets paid (which might lead to a AJ getting heat with the boys) or AJ signed for a lower salary and whatever money they saved goes to everyone else. The whole thing and U know it. If you dont give the face that runs the place that paper who the hell are u going to give it too TNA's financial issues became apparent around the time of AJ's departure. If Janice wasn't hitting the Budget Cutter Outta Nowhere, AJ, Joe and all the others would have "that paper" and would still be there. They didn't do this because they wanted to. They did this because they felt they had no choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 12:48:03 GMT -5
I remember people being hyped for this interview. Then it came out and it was the just the softest of softball... "why are you so great?!" style questions. This interview killed all respect I had for Jim Ross. I still don't have any for him. I knew that a guy like Ross, who is no-nonsense, would likely grill Dixie Carter a little bit and ask her tough questions about fiscal stability, product presentation, and future plans, and instead Ross just let Dixie Carter control the damn interview! This woman had a company go from selling 4,500-5,000 seat venues and being looked at as the alternative to WWE to barely having 400 comped tickets to their biggest show, and he doesn't even ask anything tough! That's Matt Lauer levels of pandering, right there. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 12, 2016 12:48:28 GMT -5
The whole thing and U know it. If you dont give the face that runs the place that paper who the hell are u going to give it too TNA's financial issues became apparent around the time of AJ's departure. If Janice wasn't hitting the Budget Cutter Outta Nowhere, AJ Joe and all the others would have "that paper" and would still be there. They didn't do this because they wanted to. They did this because they felt they had no choice. I call bullshit again. TNA has all these money problems but they still have money for the Aron Rex and Braxton Sutters of the world. Once again they didn't pay him his asking price because they didn't think he deserve it not that they couldn't pay him. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 12, 2016 12:51:46 GMT -5
TNA's financial issues became apparent around the time of AJ's departure. If Janice wasn't hitting the Budget Cutter Outta Nowhere, AJ Joe and all the others would have "that paper" and would still be there. They didn't do this because they wanted to. They did this because they felt they had no choice. I call bullshit again. TNA has all these money problems but they still have money for the Aron Rex and Braxton Sutters of the world. Once again they didn't pay him his asking price because they didn't think he deserve it not that they couldn't pay him. Yeah, at the time AJ left they had also recently signed Kurt Angle to another deal, and Jeff Hardy. and a whole slew of other former WWE wrestlers that don't work cheap that didn't get lowballed despite NONE of them moving the ratings in any meaningful way. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 12, 2016 12:52:34 GMT -5
TNA's financial issues became apparent around the time of AJ's departure. If Janice wasn't hitting the Budget Cutter Outta Nowhere, AJ Joe and all the others would have "that paper" and would still be there. They didn't do this because they wanted to. They did this because they felt they had no choice. I call bullshit again. TNA has all these money problems but they still have money for the Aron Rex and Braxton Sutters of the world. Once again they didn't pay him his asking price because they didn't think he deserve it not that they couldn't pay him. How much do you think Mr. Cherry Bomb costs? If TNA could afford better talents, Braxton would not be there; he's a shindy journeyman who probably took a TNA deal for chump change because it's the best he's ever going to get. Aron Rex is a former WWE guy, but WWE's poor booking of Damien Sandow depreciated his value. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 12, 2016 12:53:43 GMT -5
I call bullshit again. TNA has all these money problems but they still have money for the Aron Rex and Braxton Sutters of the world. Once again they didn't pay him his asking price because they didn't think he deserve it not that they couldn't pay him. Yeah, at the time AJ left they had also recently signed Kurt Angle to another deal, and Jeff Hardy. and a whole slew of other former WWE wrestlers that don't work cheap that didn't get lowballed despite NONE of them moving the ratings in any meaningful way. If you don't pay your face that runs the place than you are a bullshit promotion point blank. Imagine if WWE told Cena nah bruh we ain't got it. You got it, you just don't want to spend it on me is what I would be thinking and i'm sure is what he thought. Which is why he went to Japan to prove himself |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 12, 2016 12:56:57 GMT -5
I call bullshit again. TNA has all these money problems but they still have money for the Aron Rex and Braxton Sutters of the world. Once again they didn't pay him his asking price because they didn't think he deserve it not that they couldn't pay him. How much do you think Mr. Cherry Bomb costs? If TNA could afford better talents, Braxton would not be there; he's a shindy journeyman who probably took a TNA deal for chump change because it's the best he's ever going to get. Aron Rex is a former WWE guy, but WWE's poor booking of Damien Sandow depreciated his value. You constantly miss the point and argue shit out of the original point. Chump change or not, once again if you don't pay the face that runs the place then who the hell are you. He was their Sting. The guy who only been there and you pay whatever it cost to keep him. If you don't pay your number 1 guy is because they didn't believe he was worth the investment. And to argue your point, you rather take a flyer on chumps then pay your most loyal number 1 guy his asking price. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 12:59:09 GMT -5
I call bullshit again. TNA has all these money problems but they still have money for the Aron Rex and Braxton Sutters of the world. Once again they didn't pay him his asking price because they didn't think he deserve it not that they couldn't pay him. How much do you think Mr. Cherry Bomb costs? If TNA could afford better talents, Braxton would not be there; he's a shindy journeyman who probably took a TNA deal for chump change because it's the best he's ever going to get. Aron Rex is a former WWE guy, but WWE's poor booking of Damien Sandow depreciated his value. With BS, I think your point is valid. With Aron Rex, however, he's a former WWE guy. Bear in mind that they brought in Chavo Guerrero, who did absolutely nothing of note in WWE, and had him be one of the strongest guys on the roster, even though his gimmick was "Eddie Guerrero Clone". Of course they're gonna pay through the nose for him! I know it's a common theme to jump on you whenever we discuss things, but why do you get so defensive about TNA? I've always felt like that TNA Originals often would get low-ball deals, unless they came back from WWE (which increased their value), while they would make a 5th mortgage on the warehouse just to pay for one ex-WWE guy. |
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 12, 2016 13:10:50 GMT -5
I agree about "not paying the big names so they can actually afford everyone else" idea, it's basic salary cap rules.
Except for the top guy. You pay your top guy because he's your identity.
But we know Dixie never seen AJ as her top guy so it makes sense she didn't bother to try and keep him.
She sees "WWE castoffs" as her top guy(s) really.
So she SHOULD have fixed the AJ issue and held onto him, but that would require a whole change in principle from Dixie which we know exists in no version of reality.
So really the whole thing falls back to her view on AJ and her desire to just see him dressed as a Turkey and having soap opera Claire Lynch stories.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 12, 2016 13:14:54 GMT -5
But we know Dixie never seen AJ as her top guy so it makes sense she didn't bother to try and keep him. She sees "WWE castoffs" as her top guy(s) really. Yep. AJ even said as much in his shoot that she didn't care about her own people and only cared about the guys she saw on TV. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 12, 2016 13:16:05 GMT -5
I agree about "not paying the big names so they can actually afford everyone else" idea, it's basic salary cap rules. Except for the top guy. You pay your top guy because he's your identity. But we know Dixie never seen AJ as her top guy so it makes sense she didn't bother to try and keep him. She sees "WWE castoffs" as her top guy(s) really. So she SHOULD have fixed the AJ issue and held onto him, but that would require a whole change in principle from Dixie which we know exists in no version of reality. So really the whole thing falls back to her view on AJ and her desire to just see him dressed as a Turkey and having soap opera Claire Lynch stories. Agreed which is what I been saying. If you tell me it's AJ vs Drew, Lashley, MVP then yea i'm taking the group. However, you pay your top guy his price and as states Dixie never saw AJ as a number 1 guy. Despite all his accolades he was never given the ball to run with it. As stated earlier it's not like TNA didn't have the money as they re signed Kurt and Jeff shortly after, they just didn't think AJ was worth number one guy money wanted him to accept what they say is a decent offer |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 13:20:58 GMT -5
I think we've established TNA wasn't going to "spread the money around" they got from lowballing AJ, because it's not like they've been paying people in the time since then anyway.
And even if it was absolutely necessary AJ get paid less for the good of the rest of the roster, why in the f*** should AJ have taken that deal? When he knew he could make more on the indies, and he did, why on earth would he agree to get paid less than he was worth to a company he had carried on his back for years and constantly been underappreciated for, just so other people who aren't as good as he is could get paid?
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AJ Styles now.
