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Post by Sir Woodrow on May 24, 2019 19:30:03 GMT -5
Y'all should check out Spider-man Life Story if you haven't been. It's an alternate reality set in "real time" starting from the 60s. Interesting to see the changes to the characters--e.g. Flash dies in Viet Nam, Peter marries Gwen only to find out she's a clone created by Miles Warren who had kidnapped the real Gwen etc. Plus it's Bagley back drawing Spidey It should be mandatory that Mark Bagley is always doing something Spidey related
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Post by eJm on May 24, 2019 23:46:57 GMT -5
Also, Tom King’s off Batman...to do Batman/Catwoman in 2020.
So...Bleeding Cool being Bleeding Cool, like I said.
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Post by BRAINFADE on May 25, 2019 0:11:22 GMT -5
Y'all should check out Spider-man Life Story if you haven't been. It's an alternate reality set in "real time" starting from the 60s. Interesting to see the changes to the characters--e.g. Flash dies in Viet Nam, Peter marries Gwen only to find out she's a clone created by Miles Warren who had kidnapped the real Gwen etc. Plus it's Bagley back drawing Spidey Now this I might have to check out. Love me some Bagley Spider-Man. How long has it been running?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 25, 2019 0:39:26 GMT -5
Y'all should check out Spider-man Life Story if you haven't been. It's an alternate reality set in "real time" starting from the 60s. Interesting to see the changes to the characters--e.g. Flash dies in Viet Nam, Peter marries Gwen only to find out she's a clone created by Miles Warren who had kidnapped the real Gwen etc. Plus it's Bagley back drawing Spidey Now this I might have to check out. Love me some Bagley Spider-Man. How long has it been running? 2 issues released, the 3rd might be out by now I haven't been to the shop this week.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on May 25, 2019 8:29:11 GMT -5
I generally like King's work but this Batman/Catwoman miniseries being the next project...yes, it's probably to give him a chance to wrap up his ideas but Batman #50 was such a COLOSSAL misfire that you'd think going to something completely different would be the smarter move.
It would be like making Nick Spencer the writer of Captain America after Secret Empire. Instead, give him Spidey and kick it off with a nod to his beloved Superior Foes (where did Boomerang go anyways? Are he and Peter still roomies? The whole Kraven storyline made me totally forget) and put MJ and Peter back together. Worked out pretty well so far.
Revisiting the scene of the crime just seems like a dicey move.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 25, 2019 12:00:36 GMT -5
I just picked up issue 3 of Spider-man Life Story. So it is indeed out.
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Post by hotshotalex on May 25, 2019 12:12:35 GMT -5
I just picked up issue 3 of Spider-man Life Story. So it is indeed out. I want a spin off miniseries focusing on the life story version of Cap and Iron Man in Vietnam.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 26, 2019 19:39:35 GMT -5
Weird comic theory I heard recently.
The Dark Knight Returns series was written and published before Death in the Family. In DKR it is mentioned that Jason Todd died. The theory is DC used this to push for Todd dying. And DC might have even fudged the votes to get rid of Todd.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on May 26, 2019 19:57:58 GMT -5
I just picked up issue 3 of Spider-man Life Story. So it is indeed out. I want a spin off miniseries focusing on the life story version of Cap and Iron Man in Vietnam. Or one about Nick Fury
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 26, 2019 21:17:52 GMT -5
Weird comic theory I heard recently. The Dark Knight Returns series was written and published before Death in the Family. In DKR it is mentioned that Jason Todd died. The theory is DC used this to push for Todd dying. And DC might have even fudged the votes to get rid of Todd. It is believed by Dennis O'Neil, who was in charge of the call-in promotion, that it appears a lone person in California rigged up their Mac to auto-dial the "Kill Robin" number every 90 seconds for hours on end, and even then, that option won by only 72 votes. Either way, DC didn't really need to fudge the votes, there was no need. If they wanted rid of Todd and the votes came in to have him live, then he lives and the experience causes him to retire and move on. Boom, problem solved, everything else pretty much comes into place just like it had. There was no conspiracy. The truth was, DC was trying to make bank off a 900 number gimmick and the Robin deal was created to give the 900 number promotion something huge to work with so that fans took it seriously.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 26, 2019 21:27:31 GMT -5
Weird comic theory I heard recently. The Dark Knight Returns series was written and published before Death in the Family. In DKR it is mentioned that Jason Todd died. The theory is DC used this to push for Todd dying. And DC might have even fudged the votes to get rid of Todd. It is believed by Dennis O'Neil, who was in charge of the call-in promotion, that it appears a lone person in California rigged up their Mac to auto-dial the "Kill Robin" number every 90 seconds for hours on end, and even then, that option won by only 72 votes. Either way, DC didn't really need to fudge the votes, there was no need. If they wanted rid of Todd and the votes came in to have him live, then he lives and the experience causes him to retire and move on. Boom, problem solved, everything else pretty much comes into place just like it had. There was no conspiracy. The truth was, DC was trying to make bank off a 900 number gimmick and the Robin deal was created to give the 900 number promotion something huge to work with so that fans took it seriously. When Todd became Robin I have given up on Batman. So I didn't read much of that era until much later. But I do wonder if Todd's death being mentioned in DKR might have influenced the Death in the Family storyline.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 26, 2019 21:45:31 GMT -5
It is believed by Dennis O'Neil, who was in charge of the call-in promotion, that it appears a lone person in California rigged up their Mac to auto-dial the "Kill Robin" number every 90 seconds for hours on end, and even then, that option won by only 72 votes. Either way, DC didn't really need to fudge the votes, there was no need. If they wanted rid of Todd and the votes came in to have him live, then he lives and the experience causes him to retire and move on. Boom, problem solved, everything else pretty much comes into place just like it had. There was no conspiracy. The truth was, DC was trying to make bank off a 900 number gimmick and the Robin deal was created to give the 900 number promotion something huge to work with so that fans took it seriously. When Todd became Robin I have given up on Batman. So I didn't read much of that era until much later. But I do wonder if Todd's death being mentioned in DKR might have influenced the Death in the Family storyline. Two and a half years later? The final issue of DKR came out in June of 86 and they didn't kill of Todd until cover-date January 1989. Also, something to keep in mind: Jason Todd was completely rebooted between the two events. Crisis ended just as DKR was on the shelves, but they wouldn't reboot Todd into post-Crisis continuity until summer of '87, when they redid his origin to make him an a-hole street urchin and not the Dick Grayson clone with same backstory he had originally been.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 26, 2019 22:26:41 GMT -5
When Todd became Robin I have given up on Batman. So I didn't read much of that era until much later. But I do wonder if Todd's death being mentioned in DKR might have influenced the Death in the Family storyline. Two and a half years later? The final issue of DKR came out in June of 86 and they didn't kill of Todd until cover-date January 1989. Also, something to keep in mind: Jason Todd was completely rebooted between the two events. Crisis ended just as DKR was on the shelves, but they wouldn't reboot Todd into post-Crisis continuity until summer of '87, when they redid his origin to make him an a-hole street urchin and not the Dick Grayson clone with same backstory he had originally been. This is DC we're talking about. Their motto is usually "strike while the iron is ice cold, and a little rusty". I fully believe it would take two and a half years for some pop culture element to filter down through their editorial, especially back then.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 26, 2019 22:43:18 GMT -5
I fully believe it would take two and a half years for some pop culture element to filter down through their editorial, especially back then. Not even sure what that means. What pop culture element? We're talking about two stories, both published by DC Comics. No outside pop culture elements involved. And Dennis O'Neill was editor on both of them.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 27, 2019 1:01:43 GMT -5
When Todd became Robin I have given up on Batman. So I didn't read much of that era until much later. But I do wonder if Todd's death being mentioned in DKR might have influenced the Death in the Family storyline. Two and a half years later? The final issue of DKR came out in June of 86 and they didn't kill of Todd until cover-date January 1989. Also, something to keep in mind: Jason Todd was completely rebooted between the two events. Crisis ended just as DKR was on the shelves, but they wouldn't reboot Todd into post-Crisis continuity until summer of '87, when they redid his origin to make him an a-hole street urchin and not the Dick Grayson clone with same backstory he had originally been. IIRC,and it has been years since I read the issues instead of the TPB,wasn't Todd being dead mentioned in the first issue of DKR? Which I think was published in very early 86. Who knows. I have heard at one time DC considered DKR to be in continuity. Kinda wondering now if any of Miller's Batman work is in continuity now...Maybe Year one.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on May 27, 2019 1:57:31 GMT -5
Two and a half years later? The final issue of DKR came out in June of 86 and they didn't kill of Todd until cover-date January 1989. Also, something to keep in mind: Jason Todd was completely rebooted between the two events. Crisis ended just as DKR was on the shelves, but they wouldn't reboot Todd into post-Crisis continuity until summer of '87, when they redid his origin to make him an a-hole street urchin and not the Dick Grayson clone with same backstory he had originally been. IIRC,and it has been years since I read the issues instead of the TPB,wasn't Todd being dead mentioned in the first issue of DKR? Which I think was published in very early 86. Who knows. I have heard at one time DC considered DKR to be in continuity. Kinda wondering now if any of Miller's Batman work is in continuity now...Maybe Year one. With DC, stories are in continuity when editors and writers want stuff to count, and stories are jettisoned just as easily or quickly. As a reader, it's easier for me to pick and choose what I want to matter. Barring one or two exceptions, my conception of the DC universe starts with Crisis on Infinite Earths.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 27, 2019 5:54:03 GMT -5
I fully believe it would take two and a half years for some pop culture element to filter down through their editorial, especially back then. Not even sure what that means. What pop culture element? We're talking about two stories, both published by DC Comics. No outside pop culture elements involved. And Dennis O'Neill was editor on both of them. Maybe I phrased this a little clumsily. I meant for an aspect of one story to become popular enough that it would start influencing what editorial would want to do in future stories.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on May 27, 2019 20:08:35 GMT -5
Regarding Spider-Man: Life Story, I really dislike the title font for the Zdarsky-drawn covers. It's incredibly plain. Instead, I prefer the fonts for the variant covers that are decade specific.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 7:46:01 GMT -5
So I'm going thru Amazon and adding future TPBs to my want list, and came across.............well, a doozy: Road to Watchmen: The Question & Blue Beetle. A DC hardcover collection of old Charlton comics. I mean, it's not really that apocryphal (anymore?) that Nite Owl = Blue Beetle and Rorschach = the Question, but I've never seen it so blatantly stated/advertised by DC Comics before. Wow.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 29, 2019 10:04:49 GMT -5
Finished Heroes in Crisis. They did not stick the landing in my opinion, and the entire thing kinda feels like it was unnecessary. Really interesting concept, execution was lacking.
Would’ve worked a lot better without the murder mystery, and focused on the concept of Sanctuary.
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