Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 29, 2019 13:02:06 GMT -5
Finished Heroes in Crisis. They did not stick the landing in my opinion, and the entire thing kinda feels like it was unnecessary. Really interesting concept, execution was lacking. Would’ve worked a lot better without the murder mystery, and focused on the concept of Sanctuary. Honestly, a story that tackles the psychological effects of the superhero world makes sense. I would just rather they didn't ruin my favorite character and kill another, to do it. I'm slightly fuming atm
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 14:04:43 GMT -5
So Doomsday Clock #10.......explains some things. Wow, does it. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Dr. Manhattan realized that the DC Universe is itself a metaverse, moreso than a multiverse. Everything spins off this one set universe, which Manhattan didn't realize at first (constantly seeing Superman's origins progress from the '30s to the '50s to the '80s, thanks to past crises), at which Superman appears to be the focal point.
He created 'The New 52' (not so much Flash wanting to save mommy I guess) by removing the JSA from the picture, to see how that would change Superman. It did, creating this "darker" version, which he seemed to like more. The metaverse reacted to this with Wally West's reappearance in DC Rebirth (in a way, that's kind of like how Grant Morrison brought Barry back in Final Crisis - the universe was trying to save itself from Darkseid) and Dr. Manhattan's inability to see his future is because either Superman kills him or Manhattan kills the metaverse. He realizes that "I am a being of inaction on a collision course with a man of action" and that in this metaverse "of hope," he is very much the villain.
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Post by eJm on May 29, 2019 14:08:49 GMT -5
So Doomsday Clock #10.......explains some things. Wow, does it. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Dr. Manhattan realized that the DC Universe is itself a metaverse, moreso than a multiverse. Everything spins off this one set universe, which Manhattan didn't realize at first (constantly seeing Superman's origins progress from the '30s to the '50s to the '80s) , at which Superman seems to be the focal point. He created 'The New 52' (not so much Flash wanting to save mommy I guess) by removing the JSA from the picture, to see how that would change Superman. It did, creating this "darker" version, which he seemed to like more. The metaverse reacted to this with Rebirth/Wally West reappearing (in a way, that's kind of like how Grant Morrison brought Barry back in Final Crisis - the universe was trying to save itself from Darkseid) and Dr. Manhattan's inability to see the future is because either Superman kills him or Manhattan kills the metaverse. He realizes that "I am a being of inaction on a collision course with a man of action" and that in this metaverse "of hope," he is very much the villain.
{Spoiler}To address this point, I swear that it was said at some point Flash actually fixed everything and when he was coming back, Manhattan’s actions caused the fixed timeline to revert to “New 52”.
And you know what? I dig it. I’ve been a fan of this story and this seems like an interesting set up to the big battle coming next mo-I mean, August.
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Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 29, 2019 14:10:54 GMT -5
So Doomsday Clock #10.......explains some things. Wow, does it. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Dr. Manhattan realized that the DC Universe is itself a metaverse, moreso than a multiverse. Everything spins off this one set universe, which Manhattan didn't realize at first (constantly seeing Superman's origins progress from the '30s to the '50s to the '80s, thanks to past crises), at which Superman appears to be the focal point.
He created 'The New 52' (not so much Flash wanting to save mommy I guess) by removing the JSA from the picture, to see how that would change Superman. It did, creating this "darker" version, which he seemed to like more. The metaverse reacted to this with Wally West's reappearance in DC Rebirth (in a way, that's kind of like how Grant Morrison brought Barry back in Final Crisis - the universe was trying to save itself from Darkseid) and Dr. Manhattan's inability to see his future is because either Superman kills him or Manhattan kills the metaverse. He realizes that "I am a being of inaction on a collision course with a man of action" and that in this metaverse "of hope," he is very much the villain.
This is one DC event that I'm actually digging right now. Just wish the shipping schedule wasn't the same one as Frank Miller's All Star Batman, ugh.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 29, 2019 16:51:03 GMT -5
Finished Heroes in Crisis. They did not stick the landing in my opinion, and the entire thing kinda feels like it was unnecessary. Really interesting concept, execution was lacking. Would’ve worked a lot better without the murder mystery, and focused on the concept of Sanctuary. Honestly, a story that tackles the psychological effects of the superhero world makes sense. I would just rather they didn't ruin my favorite character and kill another, to do it. I'm slightly fuming atm I was actually okay with the killer reveal, it honestly made sense in the story being told since Rebirth. But that reveal should’ve happened in issue 2 or 3, and the rest of the series should’ve been a long dive into the why and the how. Dude had a panic attack, and his super powers killed a bunch of people completely by accident. The real mystery should’ve been why did he cover it up like he did instead of admitting what happened.
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Post by Starshine on May 29, 2019 18:32:55 GMT -5
So has Heroes in Crisis become the worst Crisis event book, or is it still Identity Crisis? Both are plodding grim-dark stories that seem set to ruin established characters and don't really seem to have any point to them in the end. HiC was meant to tackle PTSD, yet it just ended up being a lazy whodunnit mystery where the clues never really progressed the story, and the guy (I think) we're meant to feel sorry for instead tried to frame two other heroes for his accident.
What happened? When did Tom King get so bad? Because between this, his lethargic Batman run, and whatever the f*** Mister Miracle was, I'm really losing patience with his work. I loved Omega Men and Grayson, but I'm now starting to think those were maybe statistical anomalies, rather than him at his best.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on May 29, 2019 19:11:06 GMT -5
So has Heroes in Crisis become the worst Crisis event book, or is it still Identity Crisis? Both are plodding grim-dark stories that seem set to ruin established characters and don't really seem to have any point to them in the end. HiC was meant to tackle PTSD, yet it just ended up being a lazy whodunnit mystery where the clues never really progressed the story, and the guy (I think) we're meant to feel sorry for instead tried to frame two other heroes for his accident. What happened? When did Tom King get so bad? Because between this, his lethargic Batman run, and whatever the f*** Mister Miracle was, I'm really losing patience with his work. I loved Omega Men and Grayson, but I'm now starting to think those were maybe statistical anomalies, rather than him at his best. Grayson was also a collaboration with Tim Seeley.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on May 29, 2019 19:11:27 GMT -5
It's hilarious that the guardians of comics at Bleeding Cool still make sure to call Doomsday Clock "the unauthorized sequel to Watchmen" after all this time. Keep hope alive, dorks!
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Post by eJm on May 29, 2019 19:50:39 GMT -5
It's hilarious that the guardians of comics at Bleeding Cool still make sure to call Doomsday Clock "the unauthorized sequel to Watchmen" after all this time. Keep hope alive, dorks! I’m setting up a graphic novel club and the first book I’m doing is Secret Wars II, the unauthorized sequel to Secret Wars. Anyone in?
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Post by Starshine on May 29, 2019 20:08:57 GMT -5
So has Heroes in Crisis become the worst Crisis event book, or is it still Identity Crisis? Both are plodding grim-dark stories that seem set to ruin established characters and don't really seem to have any point to them in the end. HiC was meant to tackle PTSD, yet it just ended up being a lazy whodunnit mystery where the clues never really progressed the story, and the guy (I think) we're meant to feel sorry for instead tried to frame two other heroes for his accident. What happened? When did Tom King get so bad? Because between this, his lethargic Batman run, and whatever the f*** Mister Miracle was, I'm really losing patience with his work. I loved Omega Men and Grayson, but I'm now starting to think those were maybe statistical anomalies, rather than him at his best. Grayson was also a collaboration with Tim Seeley. Sure, but I'm not going to try and discredit his contribution.
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Post by hotshotalex on May 29, 2019 21:22:54 GMT -5
Mister Miracle was actually my favorite book of 2017/2018.
This is the first time I’ve heard anyone say anything negative about it being that it was one of most critically acclaimed main stream book to come around in a while and won several awards.
It’s probably my second favorite thing Tom King has written next to Vision.
It was just announced today that he’s co writing the New Gods movie that makes me very excited.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 29, 2019 21:27:25 GMT -5
It's hilarious that the guardians of comics at Bleeding Cool still make sure to call Doomsday Clock "the unauthorized sequel to Watchmen" after all this time. Keep hope alive, dorks! Only fair, since 90% of Alan Moore's output can be called "the unauthorized sequel to" something or another.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 31, 2019 21:35:44 GMT -5
TIL there is a comic book,from Cannon Video!!!,adaptation of the JCVD classic Cyborg. And I got it for cheap!!! EDIT- Anyone know what it's value might be. I checked AMazon and EBay,and just can't believe the price it is listed at is the price it is selling at. Checked my other source for comic prices,Mycomicshop,and they dont have a copy. THe one I got is a 6 or 7 tops and was fished out of a local comic shops cheap bins.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jun 1, 2019 21:24:52 GMT -5
Here's the other comics I grabbed recently. This is all out of the cheap bins. Been going digital only with modern DC so grabbed the newest issues of HiC and Doomsday clock. Just a odd assortment of superhero and 80s indy stuff. Along with a few odd 70s titles. I loved Golden's art on The Nam comic. This magazine reprints in b/w 2 issues of Golden's run.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jun 13, 2019 0:44:45 GMT -5
Title-Uncanny X-men Annual #11 Every few weeks I will goto my local comic shop and dig through the cheap bins. Usually just grabbing various dead universe stuff to complete my collections. Last trip I found a copy of one of my favorite one in done X-men stories. This annual came out back in 1987. I can clearly remember grabbing a copy off the spinner rack at K&B drugs. I had already been subscribing to Uncanny X-men for a few years by then. But the subscription didnt include the annuals. Underneath that well done cover is a great story written by Chris Claremont,pencils by the great Alan Davis and inks by Paul Neary. The story starts off with a very drunk Wolverine walking back to the X-mansion. It is odd cause of Wolvie's healing factor it takes a huge amount of booze to get Wolvie drunk. Wolvie is so loud that he wakes up the rest of the people in the mansion. Which causes the X-men,plus Captain Britain,Megan and Psylocke to greet Wolvie at the front door. While Wolverine goes up to his room we get treated to Captain Britain,Megan and Psylocke talking in the kitchen. Seems Psylocke not so sure she is fitting in with the X-men. But up in Wolvie's room,after a long shower,we find out why Wolverine is drunk. This is the anniversary of Wolvie's wedding to Mariko that didn't happen. Before we can get more from this very very saddened Wolverine the mansion is attacked. By a being calling himself the Horde. Horde is uber powerful. And over the course of the issue manages to kill/take out all of the X-men besides Wolverine. At the end we get shown how powerful Wolvie's healing factor actually is. And I was very impressed by this the first time I read it. As I had said before to me Uncanny X-men peaked with issue 200 and went downhill fast. I have sold off most of my X-men collection. Which at one time went from issue 100 to issue 300. But this annual is one of the few issues from that run that I enjoy enough to own. Sure I got it in one of the many Marvel Essential X-men trades,but that is b/w. If you enjoy the X-men track down this annual. While there is a few small parts that won't make much sense unless you have read all the issues from this era,outside of those tiny parts the rest of the story is written to be read by people with very little prior knowledge of the X-men. Uncanny X-men Annual #11 gets a BUY!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 7:13:43 GMT -5
Well, guess they spoiled part of the ending of DOOMSDAY CLOCK already..... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}https://www.newsarama.com/45553-scott-snyder-to-reintroduce-justice-society-of-america-has-big-plans-for-them.html Scott Lobdell & Brett Booth are tackling the post-Heroes in Crisis status of Wally West in a book called FLASH FORWARD. www.cbr.com/flash-forward-wally-west-heroes-in-crisis-spinoff/And also we're apparently due an announcement from Bendis today regarding something called #DCMILLENNIUM, which is rumored to be (in part) the return of the Legion of Super-Heroes.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jun 13, 2019 11:52:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 12:18:06 GMT -5
Wow, they are going all out with that initial LSH: Millennium miniseries. Jim Lee, Nicola Scott, Dustin Nguyen, Andrea Sorrentino, Jimmy Cheung, Jeff Dekal, André Araújo... Featuring Booster Gold, Supergirl, Tommy Tomorrow, Kamandi, OMAC, & Batman Beyond...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 13, 2019 13:08:00 GMT -5
So we are getting the shoe dropping to Hank Pym and Ultron merging... apparently it's going to be bad... who could have guessed
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jun 13, 2019 17:46:23 GMT -5
Title-Uncanny X-men Annual #11 Every few weeks I will goto my local comic shop and dig through the cheap bins. Usually just grabbing various dead universe stuff to complete my collections. Last trip I found a copy of one of my favorite one in done X-men stories. This annual came out back in 1987. I can clearly remember grabbing a copy off the spinner rack at K&B drugs. I had already been subscribing to Uncanny X-men for a few years by then. But the subscription didnt include the annuals. Underneath that well done cover is a great story written by Chris Claremont,pencils by the great Alan Davis and inks by Paul Neary. The story starts off with a very drunk Wolverine walking back to the X-mansion. It is odd cause of Wolvie's healing factor it takes a huge amount of booze to get Wolvie drunk. Wolvie is so loud that he wakes up the rest of the people in the mansion. Which causes the X-men,plus Captain Britain,Megan and Psylocke to greet Wolvie at the front door. While Wolverine goes up to his room we get treated to Captain Britain,Megan and Psylocke talking in the kitchen. Seems Psylocke not so sure she is fitting in with the X-men. But up in Wolvie's room,after a long shower,we find out why Wolverine is drunk. This is the anniversary of Wolvie's wedding to Mariko that didn't happen. Before we can get more from this very very saddened Wolverine the mansion is attacked. By a being calling himself the Horde. Horde is uber powerful. And over the course of the issue manages to kill/take out all of the X-men besides Wolverine. At the end we get shown how powerful Wolvie's healing factor actually is. And I was very impressed by this the first time I read it. As I had said before to me Uncanny X-men peaked with issue 200 and went downhill fast. I have sold off most of my X-men collection. Which at one time went from issue 100 to issue 300. But this annual is one of the few issues from that run that I enjoy enough to own. Sure I got it in one of the many Marvel Essential X-men trades,but that is b/w. If you enjoy the X-men track down this annual. While there is a few small parts that won't make much sense unless you have read all the issues from this era,outside of those tiny parts the rest of the story is written to be read by people with very little prior knowledge of the X-men. Uncanny X-men Annual #11 gets a BUY! This, the Brood return, and the Uncanny INFERNO issues are probably the best parts of the Post Mutant Massacre/Pre Jim Lee period of Claremont's X-Men run.
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