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Post by héad.casé on Sept 15, 2016 17:07:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 17:15:50 GMT -5
Well, he's right. Great tandem that basically wound up entirely wasted.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 15, 2016 17:18:37 GMT -5
Aside from not winning the belts, I think the team had a great run that revitalized both guys, and the Cesaro split (until aligning him with Heyman) was perfectly done.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Sept 15, 2016 17:22:15 GMT -5
Thwagger has had more reboots then the Caped Crusader. Can't get over working with RuRu,or Jerry Lawler, or Zeb or Vicki maybe it's not bookings fault he can't get over. Other then ADR I can't think of anyone who has basically been giving more undeserved big matches and still draw's crickets.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 15, 2016 17:54:05 GMT -5
Thwagger has had more reboots then the Caped Crusader. Can't get over working with RuRu,or Jerry Lawler, or Zeb or Vicki maybe it's not bookings fault he can't get over. Other then ADR I can't think of anyone who has basically been giving more undeserved big matches and still draw's crickets. He was getting face pops against Rusev. They just had Rusev kick his as constantly. So people stopped caring. And people still do the "we the people" withhim. |
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Sept 15, 2016 17:58:06 GMT -5
Swagger I like, he was misused BADLY around the time he first won the World title and never really recovered.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 15, 2016 18:18:25 GMT -5
Swagger I like, he was misused BADLY around the time he first won the World title and never really recovered. He fully recovered with the start of his Mania 29 push, but then got busted for weed (which some say wasn't his fault, if anyone can point out clearer proof of that please do) and then stayed in the weird limbo of over-ish guys that nothing happens with. I do wonder why he doesn't get more flack for derailing pushes with how he's legit hurt guys. Like, it's weird Bad News Barrett got labeled as "injury prone" when he'd really only been injured twice, neither of which was in any way his fault. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 18:33:23 GMT -5
I thought they were really starting to come into their own as a team towards the end.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 15, 2016 18:40:57 GMT -5
Swagger I like, he was misused BADLY around the time he first won the World title and never really recovered. He fully recovered with the start of his Mania 29 push, but then got busted for weed (which some say wasn't his fault, if anyone can point out clearer proof of that please do) and then stayed in the weird limbo of over-ish guys that nothing happens with. I do wonder why he doesn't get more flack for derailing pushes with how he's legit hurt guys. Like, it's weird Bad News Barrett got labeled as "injury prone" when he'd really only been injured twice, neither of which was in any way his fault.  "It wasn't my fault either!" |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 15, 2016 19:00:24 GMT -5
Both guys really got a lot from the act, and I understand Cesaro breaking away from the group, but they mangled everything about that too. Their breakup moment was a pop for one night that ended up tanking Cesaro in the long run, while Swagger went on to become a patriotic punching bag for Rusev after he took a fall for Adam f***ing Rose. I totally get Zeb's complaint here. So much more could have been done with them but WWE is WWE.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 15, 2016 19:03:28 GMT -5
Thwagger has had more reboots then the Caped Crusader. Can't get over working with RuRu,or Jerry Lawler, or Zeb or Vicki maybe it's not bookings fault he can't get over. Other then ADR I can't think of anyone who has basically been giving more undeserved big matches and still draw's crickets. He was getting face pops against Rusev. They just had Rusev kick his as constantly. So people stopped caring. And people still do the "we the people" withhim. Yeah, Swagger hasn't had much trouble getting over with his gimmick, he is just not booked strongly. Which is sort of counter to what might be expected, given he's road buddies with Roman, I think. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 15, 2016 19:16:26 GMT -5
Swagger I like, he was misused BADLY around the time he first won the World title and never really recovered. He fully recovered with the start of his Mania 29 push, but then got busted for weed (which some say wasn't his fault, if anyone can point out clearer proof of that please do) and then stayed in the weird limbo of over-ish guys that nothing happens with. I do wonder why he doesn't get more flack for derailing pushes with how he's legit hurt guys. Like, it's weird Bad News Barrett got labeled as "injury prone" when he'd really only been injured twice, neither of which was in any way his fault. The derailing pushes part isnt his fault. He hurt a few guys, and some people get hurt, hut anything that happens afterwards is on the company and falls squarely on their heads. Swagger didn't make Barrett lose to everyone while being the (default) Intercontinental Champion, and he didn't make Barrett feud with R-Truth over a plunger. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 23:30:59 GMT -5
Swagger is the perfect Babyface for certain roles, specifically the "All American" for the "Evil Foreign Heel" archetype.
His in ring work is fine; from a kayfabe perspective, he's a legit big guy with credentials in amateur wrestling that only Brock can match on the current roster...(now that I think about it, there's American Alpha, too) it's his promos that are a disaster.
He can do comedy well enough, but he needs someone who can be his mouthpiece when it's time to get serious. I could have bought him hook, line, and sinker with the Rusev program, but they cut the legs out from under him. After all, a big, athletically gifted evil Russian deserves a big, Athletically gifted American as a foil.
Too bad for Swagger, though, because Jason Jordan has all the tools Swagger does, but is better.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 16, 2016 0:55:24 GMT -5
Swagger is the perfect Babyface for certain roles, specifically the "All American" for the "Evil Foreign Heel" archetype. His in ring work is fine; from a kayfabe perspective, he's a legit big guy with credentials in amateur wrestling that only Brock can match on the current roster...(now that I think about it, there's American Alpha, too) it's his promos that are a disaster. He can do comedy well enough, but he needs someone who can be his mouthpiece when it's time to get serious. I could have bought him hook, line, and sinker with the Rusev program, but they cut the legs out from under him. After all, a big, athletically gifted evil Russian deserves a big, Athletically gifted American as a foil. Too bad for Swagger, though, because Jason Jordan has all the tools Swagger does, but is better. The only thing Jason Jordon is better at is having Chad Gable. I'm not trying to knock the guy, but let's not pretend that he wasn't just some going nowhere developmental lifer before Gable made people give two damns about him. |
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Post by schma on Sept 16, 2016 4:46:40 GMT -5
I think one of the most telling things about Swagger is that they built him up against Rusev and he got over to a great deal then fell. And then a few months later they did it again and he got just as over as the first time. The guy has a lot going for him if he can get a consistent push.
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Post by Ash Kingston on Sept 16, 2016 7:20:44 GMT -5
Aside from not winning the belts, I think the team had a great run that revitalized both guys, and the Cesaro split (until aligning him with Heyman) was perfectly done. Wait, didn't Cesaro align himself with Heyman almost immediately after splitting from Swagger and Zeb? |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 16, 2016 7:57:59 GMT -5
Aside from not winning the belts, I think the team had a great run that revitalized both guys, and the Cesaro split (until aligning him with Heyman) was perfectly done. Wait, didn't Cesaro align himself with Heyman almost immediately after splitting from Swagger and Zeb? Yeah, that's how the Real Americans broke up. Cesaro won the Andre Battle Royale, the next night on Raw Zeb was talking about how great it was a REAL American won and Cesaro fired Zeb and brought out Heyman. |
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Post by chazraps on Sept 16, 2016 12:07:07 GMT -5
Aside from not winning the belts, I think the team had a great run that revitalized both guys, and the Cesaro split (until aligning him with Heyman) was perfectly done. Wait, didn't Cesaro align himself with Heyman almost immediately after splitting from Swagger and Zeb? I meant the weeks of subtle tension, reconciliation, even more subtle tension, breaking up on the Mania preshow, sneaking into the ATGMBR, winning and the way Zeb began the trophy presentation speech. THAT was well done. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Sept 16, 2016 12:08:38 GMT -5
Why isn't it Swagger getting Bob Backlund with a Make Swagger Great Again gimmick? It makes about infinity more sense than Darren Young.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 16, 2016 12:38:41 GMT -5
Why isn't it Swagger getting Bob Backlund with a Make Swagger Great Again gimmick? It makes about infinity more sense than Darren Young. No it doesn't. Swagger's always been a loopy meathead. Darren Young is (really trying to find a different word) a straight man for Backlund's wackiness to bounce off of. Swagger/Backlund wouldn't work for the same reason Swagger/Bo wouldn't work |
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