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Post by SirLucas on Sept 16, 2016 13:46:57 GMT -5
The Bad News Barrett gimmick is a perfect example of WWE taking something that was hot and over, and killing it before it could gain any traction. Since the Nexus/Coore disbanded, Wade Barrett had been floundering throughout the midcard. Then he got injured, and comes back as Bad News Barrett. What started as something he would do on the YouTube show, it turned into a new in-ring persona. After a few weeks of him random interrupting WWE TV with "bad news" the fans would pop at the sound of the gavel beating. Then, "I am afraid I've got some bad news" became a catch phrase the fans would say along with him.
Then off the sudden, they switched Barrett to the King and that was the end of his WWE run. First, very few wrestlers in the history of wrestling can pull off the King gimmick without it seeming trite and hokey. Two examples that come to mind are Jerry Lawler and Randy Savage circa 1990. In modern times, the King gimmick worked with Booker, but that's because he played it off so outlandish and over the top, and the British accent was gold.
Needless to say, the King gimmick was a career killer for Barrett.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Sept 16, 2016 13:47:41 GMT -5
The King gimmick worked for Booker and no one since. Stop doing it. A guy can win King of The Ring without suddenly thinking he's a pro-wrestling medieval king.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 13:49:46 GMT -5
I especially don't understand where they had him come out as a face for one week, it worked well, then they just immediately dropped it and had him heel again.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Sept 16, 2016 13:50:32 GMT -5
What killed his career in WWE was him getting over on his own. For some weird reason that I will never understand, Vince doesn't like to see anyone get over on their own. Just as Daniel Bryan, Cesare, and Zach Ryder. In his mind, if Vince can't get you over, you don't deserve to get over in any way.
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Post by eJm on Sept 16, 2016 13:52:50 GMT -5
Bad News Barrett is one of the many reasons I miss the JBL and Cole Show.
That, as well as Cody Rhodes, Superstar Search and Clem Layfield.
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Post by SirLucas on Sept 16, 2016 14:04:44 GMT -5
What killed his career in WWE was him getting over on his own. For some weird reason that I will never understand, Vince doesn't like to see anyone get over on their own. Just as Daniel Bryan, Cesare, and Zach Ryder. In his mind, if Vince can't get you over, you don't deserve to get over in any way. Speaking of Cesaro, I think they dropped the ball on the whole disgruntled Raw employee thing. They could have had him come out periodically in worked/shoot promos where expresses his contempt for the Raw product and Raw management. Then, this could have led to a series of matches where he is ultimately competing to get out of his Raw contract and go to Smackdown.
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Post by vinnysimmo on Sept 16, 2016 14:47:09 GMT -5
What killed his career in WWE was him getting over on his own. For some weird reason that I will never understand, Vince doesn't like to see anyone get over on their own. Just as Daniel Bryan, Cesare, and Zach Ryder. In his mind, if Vince can't get you over, you don't deserve to get over in any way. Speaking of Cesaro, I think they dropped the ball on the whole disgruntled Raw employee thing. They could have had him come out periodically in worked/shoot promos where expresses his contempt for the Raw product and Raw management. Then, this could have led to a series of matches where he is ultimately competing to get out of his Raw contract and go to Smackdown. That doens't really make sense. Whu would a wrestler be fighting to go from the (keyfabe) A-show to the (keyfabe) B-Show?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 16, 2016 14:49:17 GMT -5
I especially don't understand where they had him come out as a face for one week, it worked well, then they just immediately dropped it and had him heel again. Bray Wyatt feels his pain
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Post by The Yes Man on Sept 16, 2016 14:55:36 GMT -5
Speaking of Cesaro, I think they dropped the ball on the whole disgruntled Raw employee thing. They could have had him come out periodically in worked/shoot promos where expresses his contempt for the Raw product and Raw management. Then, this could have led to a series of matches where he is ultimately competing to get out of his Raw contract and go to Smackdown. That doens't really make sense. Whu would a wrestler be fighting to go from the (keyfabe) A-show to the (keyfabe) B-Show? Because kayfabe wise they're supposedly equal. Kayfabe wise they also have the more prestigious World Championship. Kayfabe wise they have better management. And even as far as real reasons, ratings are extremely close now, and there is a much larger chance of bring well utilized.
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Post by Crow Dust on Sept 16, 2016 15:07:22 GMT -5
Speaking of Cesaro, I think they dropped the ball on the whole disgruntled Raw employee thing. They could have had him come out periodically in worked/shoot promos where expresses his contempt for the Raw product and Raw management. Then, this could have led to a series of matches where he is ultimately competing to get out of his Raw contract and go to Smackdown. That doens't really make sense. Whu would a wrestler be fighting to go from the (keyfabe) A-show to the (keyfabe) B-Show? Because in keyfabe there isn't an A-Show and B-Show now?
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Post by vinnysimmo on Sept 16, 2016 15:15:38 GMT -5
That doens't really make sense. Whu would a wrestler be fighting to go from the (keyfabe) A-show to the (keyfabe) B-Show? Because in keyfabe there isn't an A-Show and B-Show now? Raw got three draft picks for each two that smackdown got.
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Post by Crow Dust on Sept 16, 2016 15:17:56 GMT -5
Because in keyfabe there isn't an A-Show and B-Show now? Raw got three draft picks for each two that smackdown got. And that has to do with what considering the keyfabe reason was that they are 3 hours
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Post by arrogantmodel on Sept 16, 2016 15:18:06 GMT -5
I came up with a storyline that could have worked after Barrett was injured by Big Show before Wrestlemania a few years ago. Here's the gist:
So Barrett was the heavy favorite to win MitB at Mania that year (I think it was still only a 'Mania thing) even if it was the July ppv, he was getting that push supposedly.
Anyways, Cena is feuding with Big Show after he legit injured Wade in the match they had ( fatal 4-way?) when Show threw Barrett into the announce table or something.
So Wade's out for months, and Cena is still feuding with Show. When Wade is slated to come back, as is most people who come back from bad or poorly timed injuries, he's likely to be cheered.
So let him come back to face pops seeking revenge on a heel Show for injuring him and screwing him out of his 'Mania payday and MitB push. And you can put him and Cena in tag matches against Show and someone Wade can side feud with (Miz?) and you can have this uneasy alliance with Wade and Cena due to their Nexus history.
You can easily turn Barrett heel again saying he just used Cena to help him take down show and get a title match with Cena. You have history, tense alliances, revenge, etc.
But of course, none of this happened. Anybody feel free to correct my timeline or add to it or comment on my angle writing.
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Post by vinnysimmo on Sept 16, 2016 15:22:45 GMT -5
Raw got three draft picks for each two that smackdown got. And that has to do with what considering the keyfabe reason was that they are 3 hours RAW has more tv-time. RAW has more wrestlers. if it was a fair contest they would get the same amount of picks and the same amount of tv-time. To me, this is pretty indisputeable.
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Post by Crow Dust on Sept 16, 2016 15:28:38 GMT -5
And that has to do with what considering the keyfabe reason was that they are 3 hours RAW has more tv-time. RAW has more wrestlers. if it was a fair contest they would get the same amount of picks and the same amount of tv-time. To me, this is pretty indisputeable. That has nothing to do with keyfabe though i mean at this point im wondering if you even know what the word means
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Post by mizerable on Sept 16, 2016 15:37:14 GMT -5
The King gimmick worked for Booker and no one since. Stop doing it. A guy can win King of The Ring without suddenly thinking he's a pro-wrestling medieval king. This. I love the KOTR tournament, and can be used as the launching ground for someone to jump to the main event like the Rumble. I also believe that KOTR ideally is better for a face to win since it's far less fluky than the Rumble, which is why I never understood why they seem to always have heels win it.
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Post by vinnysimmo on Sept 16, 2016 15:41:52 GMT -5
RAW has more tv-time. RAW has more wrestlers. if it was a fair contest they would get the same amount of picks and the same amount of tv-time. To me, this is pretty indisputeable. That has nothing to do with keyfabe though i mean at this point im wondering if you even know what the word means Keyfabe means... like... "in the sport". Looking at the accomplishments as if it was all a shoot. So, translating it to another sport: If the LA RAMS got 33% more draft picks than the Cleveland Browns; What team is being favored? What team is being given a bigger chance to succed by the NFL?
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Post by MrElijah on Sept 16, 2016 15:48:06 GMT -5
The King gimmick worked for Booker and no one since. Stop doing it. A guy can win King of The Ring without suddenly thinking he's a pro-wrestling medieval king. Wade could have been the Baron of Bad News and just go even more over the top with the Royal Decrees of Bad News instead of him having him just kill the gimmick.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 15:50:17 GMT -5
This is one of those things I didn't think much of at the time, but really enjoy now. Like I said before, I would've liked to see more of this. It's so cartoony.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 16, 2016 21:20:35 GMT -5
Speaking of Cesaro, I think they dropped the ball on the whole disgruntled Raw employee thing. They could have had him come out periodically in worked/shoot promos where expresses his contempt for the Raw product and Raw management. Then, this could have led to a series of matches where he is ultimately competing to get out of his Raw contract and go to Smackdown. That doens't really make sense. Whu would a wrestler be fighting to go from the (keyfabe) A-show to the (keyfabe) B-Show? Ask Jack Swagger.
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