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Post by Starshine on Sept 19, 2016 23:10:45 GMT -5
Because by and large, they don't care about him. He inspires apathy more than anything else. If people don't care about him, why do they react to him? The Ascension gets silence, THAT is apathy. Jesus. Some people.... If the Ascension was being pushed to the main event they'd be booed too. It's not that people hate him, they hate that he's shoved into the main event more.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Sept 19, 2016 23:12:11 GMT -5
They also seem to think its the 80s and the crowd gives a shit about steel cage matches. They're usually terrible these days. ... What WAS the last genuinely good cage match? Like, most recent outright quality one I can think of is Edge / Matt Hardy and that was a decade ago. The last one that i think was a bit memorable was the Wyatt/Bryan vs Uso's cage match. That is more so due to Bryan turning on Bray and the epic slow motion YES chant and insane crowd reaction
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Post by The Glorious One on Sept 19, 2016 23:13:17 GMT -5
If people don't care about him, why do they react to him? The Ascension gets silence, THAT is apathy. Jesus. Some people.... If the Ascension was being pushed to the main event they'd be booed too. It's not that people hate him, they hate that he's shoved into the main event more. Okay, chief, then how come Tensai wasn't getting any kind of reaction when he was being pushed as a top tier performer when he debuted by getting wins over Punk and Cena? Guess what, because he was met with APATHY. You know what happened then? They aborted his push because no one was reacting to him. SHOCK GASP HORROR Maybe, just maybe, if the salty fans don't want Reigns pushed like this, maybe they should...I don't know...NOT react to him?
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Post by trollrogue on Sept 19, 2016 23:13:40 GMT -5
I don't know, because while Raw is moving in that direction, Smackdown might be turning Ambrose heel which would ruin the whole thing. I can't see it. The only faces SmackDown really has are Cena who's leaving next month, Orton who's quickly becoming injury-prone, and Ambrose. Can't really afford to turn him. The Cena/Ambrose match, Dean WILL be getting booed without question. And he will deserve the boos, since he buried Ziggler and didn't take AJ seriously (like Cena pretty much) and they both think they're entitled to the first rematch against AJ. Cena/AJ is the money match, not Ambrose/AJ-- therefore Cena is the 'face' in the equation. But it's cool, since they storyline made Rollins mad against the Authority, and Reigns has been continually run-in against and screwed out of the RAw UV title multiple times, if Ambrose has to take a backseat to SuperCena that could be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and the call for The Shield to come in and fight for Justice again. Could be a decent storyline if done right.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Sept 19, 2016 23:16:00 GMT -5
The worst thing about Reigns isn't the fact he's not over and they keep pushing him in the main spot. It's that he's constantly hurting whoever he works with. Rusev looks like shit because of Reigns, Owens looks like shit because of Reigns, it happens to everyone who works with the guy. Hell, the League of Nations turned 4 guys, who were somehow more over before that group, into worse crap purely for dude's benefit. He's horrible. This is the real problem. No one is benefiting from a feud with Roman. So naturally, when you feature Roman and these feuds so heavily, the show gets worse as well. I didn't even watch the main event for the last two weeks because I already knew that it was going to lead to screwy finishes to protect Roman. I don't have time for that boring bs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 23:18:05 GMT -5
I can't see it. The only faces SmackDown really has are Cena who's leaving next month, Orton who's quickly becoming injury-prone, and Ambrose. Can't really afford to turn him. The Cena/Ambrose match, Dean WILL be getting booed without question. And he will deserve the boos, since he buried Ziggler and didn't take AJ seriously (like Cena pretty much) and they both think they're entitled to the first rematch against AJ. Cena/AJ is the money match, not Ambrose/AJ-- therefore Cena is the 'face' in the equation. But it's cool, since they storyline made Rollins mad against the Authority, and Reigns has been continually run-in against and screwed out of the RAw UV title multiple times, if Ambrose has to take a backseat to SuperCena that could be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and the call for The Shield to come in and fight for Justice again. Could be a decent storyline if done right. Not really. A Shield reunion doesn't help anyone except Reigns. Rollins is just starting his face single's run and Ambrose hasn't had to "go to the well" with face storylines like Reigns has against the crowd. Reigns needs the Shield to get hot again since that's what helped him before. If it happened soon Ambrose and Rollins would be sacrificed to help Reigns exactly like everyone else who was sacrificed to him when his single's run started. That's a bad move. The worst thing about Reigns isn't the fact he's not over and they keep pushing him in the main spot. It's that he's constantly hurting whoever he works with. Rusev looks like shit because of Reigns, Owens looks like shit because of Reigns, it happens to everyone who works with the guy. Hell, the League of Nations turned 4 guys, who were somehow more over before that group, into worse crap purely for dude's benefit. He's horrible. This is the real problem. No one is benefiting from a feud with Roman. So naturally, when you feature Roman and these feuds so heavily, the show gets worse as well. I didn't even watch the main event for the last two weeks because I already knew that it was going to lead to screwy finishes to protect Roman. I don't have time for that boring bs. Read a rumor on WON that they're already talking about potentially doing some Shield spot within the next few months and that would literally not help Ambrose or Rollins by any means. Reigns is going to ruin them too if they start the Shield up again right now. It's not time.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 19, 2016 23:19:03 GMT -5
If the Ascension was being pushed to the main event they'd be booed too. It's not that people hate him, they hate that he's shoved into the main event more. Okay, chief, then how come Tensai wasn't getting any kind of reaction when he was being pushed as a top tier performer when he debuted by getting wins over Punk and Cena? Guess what, because he was met with APATHY. You know what happened then? They aborted his push because no one was reacting to him. SHOCK GASP HORROR Maybe, just maybe, if the salty fans don't want Reigns pushed like this, maybe they should...I don't know...NOT react to him? You mean for the month or so they pushed him before completely giving up? It's not like there was any threat of him being a long term main eventer after that all went down. They were apathetic, but also saw him more as a joke which is why they kept chanting "Albert" at him. Reigns has been consistently pushed this hard for a long time without any signs of slowing down. This is despite failing a drug test and not moving any notable business needles. The vocal hate he gets tends to soften the further he's pushed down the card, it's not a coincidence.
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Post by trollrogue on Sept 19, 2016 23:22:10 GMT -5
Yeah I admit the Shield reforming only helps out Roman, since it's already a given that Ambrose and Rollins are great as singles wrestlers by themselves. But again, Roman is too Big of a Dog to fail after so much investment. I can see them agreeing to bail Roman out and reform the Shield if they get Slater's deal of being able to run-in on both brands randomly, to recreate that 'oh shit!' feeling back when The Shield first arrived.
It worked for Slater, it might work for Roman.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Sept 19, 2016 23:36:50 GMT -5
A Shield reunion won't work because these 3 guys have been feuding for 2 full years non-stop. The audience is about done with Shield f***ery now that the triple threat has already happened. They'll see it for what it is and reject it.
Every single one of these guys needs a break from the Shield/Authority storyline. Ambrose has that break now, but Reigns and Rollins have not made the necessary progression as characters that would make a Shield reunion feel special.
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Post by The Glorious One on Sept 19, 2016 23:38:13 GMT -5
Okay, chief, then how come Tensai wasn't getting any kind of reaction when he was being pushed as a top tier performer when he debuted by getting wins over Punk and Cena? Guess what, because he was met with APATHY. You know what happened then? They aborted his push because no one was reacting to him. SHOCK GASP HORROR Maybe, just maybe, if the salty fans don't want Reigns pushed like this, maybe they should...I don't know...NOT react to him? You mean for the month or so they pushed him before completely giving up? It's not like there was any threat of him being a long term main eventer after that all went down. They were apathetic, but also saw him more as a joke which is why they kept chanting "Albert" at him. Reigns has been consistently pushed this hard for a long time without any signs of slowing down. This is despite failing a drug test and not moving any notable business needles. The vocal hate he gets tends to soften the further he's pushed down the card, it's not a coincidence. Keep reaching for those excuses. They obviously had plans for him to be a main eventer, but saw that the crowd APATHY (that was actual apathy. If you're apathetic, you're not going to react positively or negatively.) and put the kibosh on the push. Cut and dry. If he had gotten over, they would've kept at it. All people have to do is not react to him. Treat him like The Ascension, Curtis Axel, Titus O'Neil, and everyone else they don't react for. The WWE will notice and do something to correct it more than correct a loud crowd, because at LEAST they are reacting and making noise. The WWE won't want a top level guy who gets the same kind of reaction as a low level guy.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 19, 2016 23:49:59 GMT -5
You mean for the month or so they pushed him before completely giving up? It's not like there was any threat of him being a long term main eventer after that all went down. They were apathetic, but also saw him more as a joke which is why they kept chanting "Albert" at him. Reigns has been consistently pushed this hard for a long time without any signs of slowing down. This is despite failing a drug test and not moving any notable business needles. The vocal hate he gets tends to soften the further he's pushed down the card, it's not a coincidence. Keep reaching for those excuses. They obviously had plans for him to be a main eventer, but saw that the crowd APATHY (that was actual apathy. If you're apathetic, you're not going to react positively or negatively.) and put the kibosh on the push. Cut and dry. If he had gotten over, they would've kept at it. All people have to do is not react to him. Treat him like The Ascension, Curtis Axel, Titus O'Neil, and everyone else they don't react for. The WWE will notice and do something to correct it more than correct a loud crowd, because at LEAST they are reacting and making noise. The WWE won't want a top level guy who gets the same kind of reaction as a low level guy. No reaching here. This isn't close to the Tensai example, because unlike Tensai they liked Reigns before his monster push took off. Then they realised they didn't like him at the top, and then the continuous pushing turned a lot of them off him all together. If he was moving ratings, or a butt load of merchandise, or had a notable section of the audience vocally supporting him it would be different, and closer to a Cena comparison. But he's just a guy who the average fan has no real connection with, who's being shoved into the spotlight regardless of what that fan says. It's naturally going to create friction and anger. Also not everyone in the crowd is going to think of sitting in stoic silence. A lot of them will also get caught up in the atmosphere. It's easy to not give a shit about say, a Curtis Axel/Bo Dallas match because they're short, mean nothing, and are usually placed in a part of the card where people aren't going to react that well. Reigns is often in, or around, the main event. He's also wrestling guys who are over. There's almost always going to be some sort of reaction for his matches.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Sept 19, 2016 23:57:26 GMT -5
I watched Wrestlemania 15 instead, and just caught up on the Cruiserweight segment.
Glad I missed nothing.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Sept 19, 2016 23:59:57 GMT -5
Silence and apathy would've led to Orton vs Batista at Mania 30. Starshine doesn't deserve to be attacked like this. Unless he stole the cookie from the cookie jar. Then you're a bad bad man, sir.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 20, 2016 0:05:27 GMT -5
Silence and apathy would've led to Orton vs Batista at Mania 30. Starshine doesn't deserve to be attacked like this. Unless he stole the cookie from the cookie jar. Then you're a bad bad man, sir. It's not really "stealing" if you leave half of it there.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Sept 20, 2016 0:05:38 GMT -5
How would a Shield reunion even work? Dean's the top face of SmackDown, they can't just send him to Raw.
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Post by Captain & Diet on Sept 20, 2016 0:08:35 GMT -5
Al least there's still Smackdown and NXT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 0:12:41 GMT -5
How would a Shield reunion even work? Dean's the top face of SmackDown, they can't just send him to Raw. According to WON I don't want to see it at all, not right now. They need to hold off on it and exhaust options before we see the Shield doing anything together. The closest thing I can imagine is all 3 in the Rumble beating guys down but that's it.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 20, 2016 0:14:18 GMT -5
Between the Levesques and Roman Reigns, I've stopped watching Raw completely. I can see the people I like from Raw at their PPV. I'm strictly SD and NXT now and my enjoyment levels are much improved.
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Post by Yacht Persona on Sept 20, 2016 0:24:44 GMT -5
For a second I thought this Universal title was actually going to have value simply for being a championship. Nope, it's just another in a long line of props that only matter when the person being pushed is in possession of it. Owens is actually hurting by having this thing right now.
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Post by BigAl on Sept 20, 2016 0:46:53 GMT -5
Keep reaching for those excuses. They obviously had plans for him to be a main eventer, but saw that the crowd APATHY (that was actual apathy. If you're apathetic, you're not going to react positively or negatively.) and put the kibosh on the push. Cut and dry. If he had gotten over, they would've kept at it. All people have to do is not react to him. Treat him like The Ascension, Curtis Axel, Titus O'Neil, and everyone else they don't react for. The WWE will notice and do something to correct it more than correct a loud crowd, because at LEAST they are reacting and making noise. The WWE won't want a top level guy who gets the same kind of reaction as a low level guy. No reaching here. This isn't close to the Tensai example, because unlike Tensai they liked Reigns before his monster push took off. Then they realised they didn't like him at the top, and then the continuous pushing turned a lot of them off him all together. If he was moving ratings, or a butt load of merchandise, or had a notable section of the audience vocally supporting him it would be different, and closer to a Cena comparison. But he's just a guy who the average fan has no real connection with, who's being shoved into the spotlight regardless of what that fan says. It's naturally going to create friction and anger. Also not everyone in the crowd is going to think of sitting in stoic silence. A lot of them will also get caught up in the atmosphere. It's easy to not give a shit about say, a Curtis Axel/Bo Dallas match because they're short, mean nothing, and are usually placed in a part of the card where people aren't going to react that well. Reigns is often in, or around, the main event. He's also wrestling guys who are over. There's almost always going to be some sort of reaction for his matches. But you forgot, didnt Joey Styles said the reason Vince is behind 100% on Roman is "he is the most popular with moms and kids, the number one audience of RAW"? and with that thinking he will keep pushing him on main events so the moms and kids can cheer him?
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