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Post by MWC on Jan 7, 2017 11:36:35 GMT -5
Finally got around to watching Okada/Omega and it lived up to all the hype. LOVED it. The 50 minutes or whatever it was flew by and I found myself jumping out of my chair even with knowing the result. Going to be hard for any match in 2017 to top it.
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Post by corndog on Jan 7, 2017 11:40:47 GMT -5
What I do find odd is that Meltzer gave the main event 6 stars and New Japan plugs his website as the source for New Japan news. He used to not have any puro connections for the past couple of years with others taking that helm. Now they will pass stories off to him like TNA does with PWInsider. Guess this means Dave is getting front row seats and press passes for the LA shows. AXS TV is airing the main event next week, when they normally wait up to 9 months to air matches. I was almost thinking if there is a deal with Meltzer and I guarantee they will use this in ads leading to Friday's airing of the match. They have used his ratings in the past to plug matches like Tanahashi/Okada last WK.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 7, 2017 14:24:42 GMT -5
What I do find odd is that Meltzer gave the main event 6 stars and New Japan plugs his website as the source for New Japan news. He used to not have any puro connections for the past couple of years with others taking that helm. Now they will pass stories off to him like TNA does with PWInsider. Guess this means Dave is getting front row seats and press passes for the LA shows. AXS TV is airing the main event next week, when they normally wait up to 9 months to air matches. I was almost thinking if there is a deal with Meltzer and I guarantee they will use this in ads leading to Friday's airing of the match. They have used his ratings in the past to plug matches like Tanahashi/Okada last WK. Meltzer is someone companies used when they wanted to boost their standings like WWF during the 90's and UFC during the 2000's. Once they used his cred and no longer needed him, they return back to hating him. New Japan knows his puro picks can make or break their USA incursion. Making Okada vs Omega 6 stars is the wrestling version of 2 thumbs way up or a great Yelp review. All they got to do is plug his newsletter, give him free tickets, and the occasional scoop.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jan 7, 2017 19:09:47 GMT -5
DESTINOOOOOOO!!!!
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Post by MrElijah on Jan 7, 2017 20:30:55 GMT -5
These are good problems for these matches to have. Like, hey, where does Hogan vs Warrior at Halloween Havoc fit into the debate? As a War Crime. Rumor has it the WWE had to sign a treaty with the UN to have that match on the network.
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Post by Starshine on Jan 7, 2017 22:56:56 GMT -5
I just finished watching Omega/Okada, and I think it lives up to the hype. That was an incredible match. You know a match is special when you can watch it back while knowing the result and still get sucked into all the spots and near falls. It almost felt like these two were wrestling the last match of their life with all the insane spots they pulled out. It's also an amazing feat that they managed to keep the pace up for the duration of the match.
Kenny Omega is a truly special talent. It's not even just about his wrestling which is elite level, the guy just might be the most creative man in wresting today. As for Okada, I've always struggled to understand what people see in him. Truthfully, I just never found him all that interesting. But I admit he's had some really strong matches, and it takes two to wrestle, so he was just as important as Omega in this whole deal.
After that effort I really hope Kenny gets his fair due. Forget Natio. Forget Shibata. Forget Suzuki. Forget anyone else. I don't even watch New Japan all that much, but I still want him to be at the top of the company. Not just because he's an incredible wrestler, not just because he's a charisma machine, but because along with all that he looks like he wants it the most.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 8, 2017 2:13:53 GMT -5
AXS TV is airing the main event next week, when they normally wait up to 9 months to air matches. I was almost thinking if there is a deal with Meltzer and I guarantee they will use this in ads leading to Friday's airing of the match. They have used his ratings in the past to plug matches like Tanahashi/Okada last WK. Meltzer is someone companies used when they wanted to boost their standings like WWF during the 90's and UFC during the 2000's. Once they used his cred and no longer needed him, they return back to hating him. New Japan knows his puro picks can make or break their USA incursion. Making Okada vs Omega 6 stars is the wrestling version of 2 thumbs way up or a great Yelp review. All they got to do is plug his newsletter, give him free tickets, and the occasional scoop. Expect more than the occasional scoop from Meltz going forward. NJPW is going to forward major news, through the Bucks, to Meltzer to keep him happy and make sure he keeps giving NJPW a major profile.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 3:51:02 GMT -5
Just watched the match. It's not perfect - I feel like it takes a bit too long to kick into gear, and toward the early-middle there's this bad tendency of a guy hitting a move and then ceasing with selling everything that's happened to him to that point and going on a flurry - but it's still really, really damn good. I love how natural a lot of the spots are, with a few Chekhov's guns along the way used quite well like how the table keeps organically coming back into it when you're not really thinking about it, and after the backdrop through that the match gets way more focused and is really good as just an outright war of two guys doing everything they possibly can to each other in a desperate attempt to win, while both being very physically impressive doing so.
And Omega's character work is killer, I've never really seen him before but just his entrance and within the match the character pretty immediately clicks with me and I get it.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 8, 2017 4:04:16 GMT -5
Just watched the match. It's not perfect - I feel like it takes a bit too long to kick into gear, and toward the early-middle there's this bad tendency of a guy hitting a move and then ceasing with selling everything that's happened to him to that point and going on a flurry - but it's still really, really damn good. I love how natural a lot of the spots are, with a few Chekhov's guns along the way used quite well like how the table keeps organically coming back into it when you're not really thinking about it, and after the backdrop through that the match gets way more focused and is really good as just an outright war of two guys doing everything they possibly can to each other in a desperate attempt to win, while both being very physically impressive doing so. And Omega's character work is killer, I've never really seen him before but just his entrance and within the match the character pretty immediately clicks with me and I get it. The "get hit with a move and sell with a counter-flurry" is a staple of puro, the idea is that the person being attacked originally gets fed up and uses an extra reserve. It was used very early in the Okada/Omega match, but it's a trope like the "counter each other's finsher 3 times in a row" is in the WWE style. And Omega is the man, no doubt about it. Dude understands how important characters are to wrestling more than anyone in this generation.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jan 8, 2017 10:42:13 GMT -5
Just watched the match. It's not perfect - I feel like it takes a bit too long to kick into gear, and toward the early-middle there's this bad tendency of a guy hitting a move and then ceasing with selling everything that's happened to him to that point and going on a flurry - but it's still really, really damn good. I love how natural a lot of the spots are, with a few Chekhov's guns along the way used quite well like how the table keeps organically coming back into it when you're not really thinking about it, and after the backdrop through that the match gets way more focused and is really good as just an outright war of two guys doing everything they possibly can to each other in a desperate attempt to win, while both being very physically impressive doing so. And Omega's character work is killer, I've never really seen him before but just his entrance and within the match the character pretty immediately clicks with me and I get it. The "get hit with a move and sell with a counter-flurry" is a staple of puro, the idea is that the person being attacked originally gets fed up and uses an extra reserve. It was used very early in the Okada/Omega match, but it's a trope like the "counter each other's finsher 3 times in a row" is in the WWE style. And Omega is the man, no doubt about it. Dude understands how important characters are to wrestling more than anyone in this generation. Is still funny to me that some fans think that WWE i stupid for all the kickouts yet NJPW has da BURNING FIGHTING SPIRIT which is exactly how real life fights works somehow according to them. Still besides some nitpicks I could tolerate it on Okada vs Omega because it was a well paced match. I still can't swallow all those shibata matches were they do that stupid spot of sit up while receiving kicks to show how strong they are
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Post by lemonyellowson on Jan 8, 2017 14:22:22 GMT -5
Finally watched this. Good show but not as good overall as last year. Ibushi was wasted in that tiger mask match. Cody Rhodes is still just ok. No ricochet/osprey interaction in that trio match was a bit disappointing. Shibata remains a boss. Tanahashi match was good. Main event was excellent to amazing but I dunno about this six star carry on.
Holy shit Kelly and Corino are terrible.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 8, 2017 22:14:29 GMT -5
The "get hit with a move and sell with a counter-flurry" is a staple of puro, the idea is that the person being attacked originally gets fed up and uses an extra reserve. It was used very early in the Okada/Omega match, but it's a trope like the "counter each other's finsher 3 times in a row" is in the WWE style. And Omega is the man, no doubt about it. Dude understands how important characters are to wrestling more than anyone in this generation. Is still funny to me that some fans think that WWE i stupid for all the kickouts yet NJPW has da BURNING FIGHTING SPIRIT which is exactly how real life fights works somehow according to them. Still besides some nitpicks I could tolerate it on Okada vs Omega because it was a well paced match. I still can't swallow all those shibata matches were they do that stupid spot of sit up while receiving kicks to show how strong they are Speaking for myself, I'm ok with the fighting spirit psychology largely due to how it's been utilized and built upon for generations now so it's basically a built-in puro trope, but my problem with modern WWE main event style is that I feel like too many of those matches revolve around finisher spamming and little else. Finisher spamming isn't necessarily a bad thing...heck, in a vacuum nearly anything in wrestling could be done well...but too often when I see big WWE matches I feel like very little in the matches matter except for the finishers, like the matches don't tell enough of a story outside of that. Certainly not the case every time, of course, but I think there's a big enough distinction.
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Post by Ted Sheckler on Jan 8, 2017 23:44:47 GMT -5
I watched the Omega/Okada match after hearing about all the hype and maybe I just don't get it but I didn't think it was amazing or "the greatest match ever". It was good, boring in some parts, good in others and great in others but for me a 5 star match is great throughout with no boring bits no good bits just pure greatness.
I'd probably give it a 4/5. Meltzer going bonkers is a little bit of biasedness I think.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Jan 9, 2017 10:12:02 GMT -5
I missed this the first time around.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 9, 2017 10:19:51 GMT -5
I missed this the first time around. It's the reason why I felt Tanahashi vs Naito was the true MOTN. The most disrespectful bastard showing quiet respect to the former Ace. Again, it had the best storyline and the better match than Okada vs Omega IMO.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 9, 2017 11:12:17 GMT -5
I missed this the first time around. It's the reason why I felt Tanahashi vs Naito was the true MOTN. The most disrespectful bastard showing quiet respect to the former Ace. Again, it had the best storyline and the better match than Okada vs Omega IMO. Totally agree. Awesome storytelling in the match and a perfect finish and after match 'angle' to continue it. I don't want to sound like an elitist or anything but I feel like Omega/Okada was the match for the more casual viewer to get drawn in but Tana/Naito was for the diehards that have cared about the two of these guys for awhile and watched them evolve.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2017 11:39:56 GMT -5
I missed this the first time around. It's the reason why I felt Tanahashi vs Naito was the true MOTN. The most disrespectful bastard showing quiet respect to the former Ace. Again, it had the best storyline and the better match than Okada vs Omega IMO. I peeped that during the show and annoucers kept stressing that for people this is the main event. Naito spit on the ace during the match, how disrespectful can you be but at the end he showed proper respect.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2017 12:57:10 GMT -5
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Post by LuchaBella on Jan 10, 2017 0:06:37 GMT -5
I just finished watching Wrestle Kingdom... holy shit. That Naito/Tanahashi match was f***ing awesome. Naito paying him respect at the end got me choked up. The Omega/Okada match was great too. Omegas entrace was great. Every match was entertaining. It never disappoints!!!
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Post by LuchaBella on Jan 10, 2017 0:08:25 GMT -5
It's the reason why I felt Tanahashi vs Naito was the true MOTN. The most disrespectful bastard showing quiet respect to the former Ace. Again, it had the best storyline and the better match than Okada vs Omega IMO. Totally agree. Awesome storytelling in the match and a perfect finish and after match 'angle' to continue it. I don't want to sound like an elitist or anything but I feel like Omega/Okada was the match for the more casual viewer to get drawn in but Tana/Naito was for the diehards that have cared about the two of these guys for awhile and watched them evolve. Agreed. That match was emotional. Best match of the show imo.
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