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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 27, 2017 17:04:57 GMT -5
Cold Stove continues
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 28, 2017 6:25:11 GMT -5
Cold Stove continues Nothing new to report on I think it will be this way until New Years passes because some teams front office took the rest of the year off from Christmas to New Years. I know the Cardinals did.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 28, 2017 9:39:26 GMT -5
Cold Stove continues Nothing new to report on I think it will be this way until New Years passes because some teams front office took the rest of the year off from Christmas to New Years. I know the Cardinals did. Yea tho usually the big signings are done by Xmas. Hell, all the best players are still on the board. I think teams are being wiser in their spending and most are trying to be conservative until next year.
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Post by sfvega on Dec 28, 2017 11:53:43 GMT -5
I think it will be this way until New Years passes because some teams front office took the rest of the year off from Christmas to New Years. I know the Cardinals did. Yea tho usually the big signings are done by Xmas. Hell, all the best players are still on the board. I think teams are being wiser in their spending and most are trying to be conservative until next year. Teams have been getting more conservative lately. At different points, people expected Cespedes, EE, Chris Davis, etc to get big ol deals and they really didn't. Davis got the best money, but none of them exceeded the market like we kind of expect to see coming into off-seasons. But probably even moreso this year with everyone trying to posture for Bryce, Kershaw, and Manny even though Kershaw strikes me as a lifetime Dodger.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 28, 2017 12:16:06 GMT -5
Yea tho usually the big signings are done by Xmas. Hell, all the best players are still on the board. I think teams are being wiser in their spending and most are trying to be conservative until next year. Teams have been getting more conservative lately. At different points, people expected Cespedes, EE, Chris Davis, etc to get big ol deals and they really didn't. Davis got the best money, but none of them exceeded the market like we kind of expect to see coming into off-seasons. But probably even moreso this year with everyone trying to posture for Bryce, Kershaw, and Manny even though Kershaw strikes me as a lifetime Dodger. Correct. Baseball is learning their lesson somewhat. It's you either get big money on a short contract or a longer contract without the big money and teams rather dish out the short term contracts if anything. Sure you got players like Giancarlo who broke the bank with Machado and Harper about to do the same and Trout right behind them as well but no longer are you seeing players like Hosmer(not a knock against him) get $200 million for being a good player but not the player who's your foundation On the pitcher side Grienke and Price are two cautionary tales recently of giving out big money. Grienke hasn't been bad but Diamondbacks are having somewhat buyers remorse because they can't handle that contract while Red Sox best Plan B is to put Price in the bullpen if he can't handle starting anymore. Big Power Hitters aren't going to get paid like they used to unless you're Judge or Stanton type of power. I think you can also place some blame on Boras as well with him pricing out his players to absurd levels like J.D. Martinez and a $200 million dollar contract. The market is in limbo because no one has signed but that should happen soon. Darvish will probably sign before Arrieta and they will get around the same money. Once the signings happen than the trades will fall into place
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 28, 2017 16:41:07 GMT -5
Teams have been getting more conservative lately. At different points, people expected Cespedes, EE, Chris Davis, etc to get big ol deals and they really didn't. Davis got the best money, but none of them exceeded the market like we kind of expect to see coming into off-seasons. But probably even moreso this year with everyone trying to posture for Bryce, Kershaw, and Manny even though Kershaw strikes me as a lifetime Dodger. Correct. Baseball is learning their lesson somewhat. It's you either get big money on a short contract or a longer contract without the big money and teams rather dish out the short term contracts if anything. Sure you got players like Giancarlo who broke the bank with Machado and Harper about to do the same and Trout right behind them as well but no longer are you seeing players like Hosmer(not a knock against him) get $200 million for being a good player but not the player who's your foundation On the pitcher side Grienke and Price are two cautionary tales recently of giving out big money. Grienke hasn't been bad but Diamondbacks are having somewhat buyers remorse because they can't handle that contract while Red Sox best Plan B is to put Price in the bullpen if he can't handle starting anymore. Big Power Hitters aren't going to get paid like they used to unless you're Judge or Stanton type of power. I think you can also place some blame on Boras as well with him pricing out his players to absurd levels like J.D. Martinez and a $200 million dollar contract. The market is in limbo because no one has signed but that should happen soon. Darvish will probably sign before Arrieta and they will get around the same money. Once the signings happen than the trades will fall into place Another is demand that those positions that many agents wanting that player to get ex amount of dollars and hope a bidding war would break out on players but the big market teams who can play for those prices are mostly set First base or Third base. The ones who can also are holding out on Harper or Machado next year and Trout a in a couple after it. Honestly if I was the Cardinals (My favorite team) I would take on Hosmer (Since we really don't have a first basemen that can play defense) Matt Carpenter as much as I like the guy does nobody any good when he can't play a position. The guy really is DH in the NL. The Cardinals farm system doesn't really have a 1st basemen that is MLB ready or close to it. I would offer Hosmer a deal (I say 5 years with options for 2 more putting him at 35.) and see if anybody is willing to beat it. He be a good bat to go along with Ozuna. One of the issues last year was infield defense and I look at First base at the weakest part of it at this point. Gryko did fine once he got there and Dejong was much better that Daiz (Who really is a 2nd basemen) and Wong was fine. If Gryoko, Dejong, and Wong did what they did last year all year and you add Hosmer. That looks to be a pretty good infield.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 28, 2017 16:58:11 GMT -5
Correct. Baseball is learning their lesson somewhat. It's you either get big money on a short contract or a longer contract without the big money and teams rather dish out the short term contracts if anything. Sure you got players like Giancarlo who broke the bank with Machado and Harper about to do the same and Trout right behind them as well but no longer are you seeing players like Hosmer(not a knock against him) get $200 million for being a good player but not the player who's your foundation On the pitcher side Grienke and Price are two cautionary tales recently of giving out big money. Grienke hasn't been bad but Diamondbacks are having somewhat buyers remorse because they can't handle that contract while Red Sox best Plan B is to put Price in the bullpen if he can't handle starting anymore. Big Power Hitters aren't going to get paid like they used to unless you're Judge or Stanton type of power. I think you can also place some blame on Boras as well with him pricing out his players to absurd levels like J.D. Martinez and a $200 million dollar contract. The market is in limbo because no one has signed but that should happen soon. Darvish will probably sign before Arrieta and they will get around the same money. Once the signings happen than the trades will fall into place Another is demand that those positions that many agents wanting that player to get ex amount of dollars and hope a bidding war would break out on players but the big market teams who can play for those prices are mostly set First base or Third base. The ones who can also are holding out on Harper or Machado next year and Trout a in a couple after it. Honestly if I was the Cardinals (My favorite team) I would take on Hosmer (Since we really don't have a first basemen that can play defense) Matt Carpenter as much as I like the guy does nobody any good when he can't play a position. The guy really is DH in the NL. The Cardinals farm system doesn't really have a 1st basemen that is MLB ready or close to it. I would offer Hosmer a deal (I say 5 years with options for 2 more putting him at 35.) and see if anybody is willing to beat it. He be a good bat to go along with Ozuna. One of the issues last year was infield defense and I look at First base at the weakest part of it at this point. Gryko did fine once he got there and Dejong was much better that Daiz (Who really is a 2nd basemen) and Wong was fine. If Gryoko, Dejong, and Wong did what they did last year all year and you add Hosmer. That looks to be a pretty good infield. Yea I think Cardinals should sneak in and offer him a deal. $25 million a year on a 4 year deal with some vesting options could get it done but I think Cardinals are married to carpenter.
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Post by Perd on Dec 28, 2017 17:10:23 GMT -5
I can’t remember free agency ever being this slow. And I’d bet it stays this way until after the new year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 18:53:01 GMT -5
The HOF ballot tracker is out and if numbers hold the new members will be: {Spoiler}{Spoiler} Chipper, Vlad, and JI...
Jim Thome!
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Post by sfvega on Dec 28, 2017 19:02:50 GMT -5
The HOF ballot tracker is out and if numbers hold the new members will be: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Chipper, Vlad, and JI...
Jim Thome! Those are 3 rock solid choices.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 28, 2017 20:03:13 GMT -5
The HOF ballot tracker is out and if numbers hold the new members will be: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Chipper, Vlad, and JI...
Jim Thome! So looking into 2019, Mariano is def a lock to get in on his first year on the ballot I can see either Bonds or Clemens getting in that year as well It will be the best chance for Edgar Martinez to get elected too Other notables for their first year of eligibility in 2019 are Roy Halladay, Todd Helton and Andy Pettite
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 28, 2017 21:35:18 GMT -5
Another is demand that those positions that many agents wanting that player to get ex amount of dollars and hope a bidding war would break out on players but the big market teams who can play for those prices are mostly set First base or Third base. The ones who can also are holding out on Harper or Machado next year and Trout a in a couple after it. Honestly if I was the Cardinals (My favorite team) I would take on Hosmer (Since we really don't have a first basemen that can play defense) Matt Carpenter as much as I like the guy does nobody any good when he can't play a position. The guy really is DH in the NL. The Cardinals farm system doesn't really have a 1st basemen that is MLB ready or close to it. I would offer Hosmer a deal (I say 5 years with options for 2 more putting him at 35.) and see if anybody is willing to beat it. He be a good bat to go along with Ozuna. One of the issues last year was infield defense and I look at First base at the weakest part of it at this point. Gryko did fine once he got there and Dejong was much better that Daiz (Who really is a 2nd basemen) and Wong was fine. If Gryoko, Dejong, and Wong did what they did last year all year and you add Hosmer. That looks to be a pretty good infield. Yea I think Cardinals should sneak in and offer him a deal. $25 million a year on a 4 year deal with some vesting options could get it done but I think Cardinals are married to carpenter. Carpenter is more a second and Third base player. Best used I think as split time maybe with Gryoko. I don't see him as the best 1st best option.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 28, 2017 21:39:26 GMT -5
Yea I think Cardinals should sneak in and offer him a deal. $25 million a year on a 4 year deal with some vesting options could get it done but I think Cardinals are married to carpenter. Carpenter is more a second and Third base player. Best used I think as split time maybe with Gryoko. I don't see him as the best 1st best option. Didn't they move him from 3rd and 2nd because he wasn't cutting it at those positions anymore I remember for the longest he was at 2nd and 3rd and then they said f*** it and moved him to 1st
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Post by sfvega on Dec 28, 2017 22:03:10 GMT -5
Carp's bat is too valuable to the team to keep him out of the lineup for not having a position. Maybe he isn't as valuable as they think, but that is their thinking. He's a good leadoff hitter, and with him, Pham, Ozuna, Fowler, and DeJong I can't see them adding another top of the line-up bat if it isn't Donaldson or Machado (whose price of acquisition will be too high). Because those guys are game-changers and Hosmer isn't viewed as that. Carp is also a fan favorite, and this leadership needs all the help they can get. If they move Carp, Matheny and Mozeliak's seats get a little warmer.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Dec 28, 2017 23:48:15 GMT -5
The HOF ballot tracker is out and if numbers hold the new members will be: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Chipper, Vlad, and JI...
Jim Thome! Freakin' sham of a Hall of Fame until Bonds goes in.
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Post by sfvega on Dec 29, 2017 0:15:13 GMT -5
The HOF ballot tracker is out and if numbers hold the new members will be: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Chipper, Vlad, and JI...
Jim Thome! Freakin' sham of a Hall of Fame until Bonds goes in. Yeah, but Bonds abused steroids and lied about abusing steroids. He was really the tipping point of when people started to turn on these roided out dingers. He was also a dick to the media. So while he should be in, the reasons he's not already are all self-inflicted. As long as he gets in eventually, they can make him squirm as much as they want to me.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 29, 2017 0:34:09 GMT -5
Freakin' sham of a Hall of Fame until Bonds goes in. Yeah, but Bonds abused steroids and lied about abusing steroids. He was really the tipping point of when people started to turn on these roided out dingers. He was also a dick to the media. So while he should be in, the reasons he's not already are all self-inflicted. As long as he gets in eventually, they can make him squirm as much as they want to me. Yea he will eventually get in tho he became a massive dickhead during his height of fame which along with the roids is what hurt him this long. Same with Clemens to a certain extent As I said before, Baseball loves to talk the history of their spot but try to hide the dirt under the rug Best believe when he gets in tho all of the HOF'ers of past generations will get on their high horse
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Post by sfvega on Dec 29, 2017 0:48:11 GMT -5
Yeah, but Bonds abused steroids and lied about abusing steroids. He was really the tipping point of when people started to turn on these roided out dingers. He was also a dick to the media. So while he should be in, the reasons he's not already are all self-inflicted. As long as he gets in eventually, they can make him squirm as much as they want to me. Yea he will eventually get in tho he became a massive dickhead during his height of fame which along with the roids is what hurt him this long. Same with Clemens to a certain extent As I said before, Baseball loves to talk the history of their spot but try to hide the dirt under the rug Best believe when he gets in tho all of the HOF'ers of past generations will get on their high horse Yeah, this really seems silly at this point. You can'r whitewash an entire era of baseball because of steroids. It seems like they're just in denial at this point of these guys getting in. Clemens will probably be the first to get in, but Bonds has dug himself a slightly bigger hole. And I mostly hate the baseball media, but when that's the guys voting and you've treated them like shit, it makes sense that they make it hard on you. I'm not condoning it, but it's not surprising.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 29, 2017 1:08:51 GMT -5
Yea he will eventually get in tho he became a massive dickhead during his height of fame which along with the roids is what hurt him this long. Same with Clemens to a certain extent As I said before, Baseball loves to talk the history of their spot but try to hide the dirt under the rug Best believe when he gets in tho all of the HOF'ers of past generations will get on their high horse Yeah, this really seems silly at this point. You can'r whitewash an entire era of baseball because of steroids. It seems like they're just in denial at this point of these guys getting in. Clemens will probably be the first to get in, but Bonds has dug himself a slightly bigger hole. And I mostly hate the baseball media, but when that's the guys voting and you've treated them like shit, it makes sense that they make it hard on you. I'm not condoning it, but it's not surprising. Luckily for guys like Bonds, Clemens and even A-Rod you have a new wave of voters who don't care about the steriods as much as the older generation did I don't blame the media for making Bonds wait there is a price too pay for how u treated people but you can't keep him out. If Baseball wants to continue to grow their fanbase than stop trying to come across as this virtuous sport. You have a dirty past, so embrace it and make sure others learn from it. It is the Steroid/PED era and unless you're guys like Manny Ramirez or Mark McGwire where the case is your whole career you been on the gas than others who mixed talent with the gas will still have a chance of getting in
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 29, 2017 1:16:22 GMT -5
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