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Post by romanstylesiii on Dec 21, 2016 15:12:05 GMT -5
The best moments over the last few years have come from NXT. Just a fun interactive show.
What is worse, is 90% of the active roster have come from NXT now. So that means it is not a talent issue.
Is it a Vince McMahon issue? WWE matches/segments seemed to be so over booked, the the point they will sabotage half their roster to try to get Roman cheered, while NXT embraces reactions, and never fights against the crowds.
Bobby Roode is a heel, and gets huge reactions at TakeOver, which makes it enjoyable to watch. I fear Vince would ruin him, and take away the entrance, because he's getting over.
One product seems to be what the WWE should be, while the other feels like it is trying to be what the WWE used to be.
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Post by Instant Classic on Dec 21, 2016 15:21:22 GMT -5
Water is wet.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 21, 2016 15:26:02 GMT -5
It's a hell of a lot easier to make cupcakes than a wedding cake.
3 hours is a lot to fill for one show, much less 4-5 a month, but financially, it's something WWE is stuck doing. If you had the same exact writers from Smackdown, or NXT, doing it, you may well get a better show, but they would also blow through their material much faster, or their material would have to be injected with filler to make it last, and it, too, would suffer.
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Post by Rican on Dec 21, 2016 15:26:45 GMT -5
A big part of it is Vince's micro managing for sure, and how out of touch he is and determined for it to be his way or the highway. But another really big part of it is that NXT is 1 hour, RAW is 3 hours. NXT is able to feature different stars and highlight different divisions on a week by week basis, but RAW has to use the same people every single week and there are only so many match combinations. So you have 12 hours of programming to fill between PPV's and a womens division of like 5 people, so Sasha and Charlotte wrestle each other a million times. Also, there are like 4-6 Takeovers a year, WWE has I don't even know how many PPV's a year now. NXT is able to take their time building up to the Takeover specials so they all feel like a big deal, whereas on the main roster you have like 3 weeks between PPV's so they all just feel like a really long episode of RAW or SmackDown.
Less is more and it's why NXT works a whole lot better.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 21, 2016 15:27:26 GMT -5
It's a hell of a lot easier to make cupcakes than a wedding cake. 3 hours is a lot to fill for one show, much less 4-5 a month, but financially, it's something WWE is stuck doing. If you had the same exact writers from Smackdown, or NXT, doing it, you may well get a better show, but they would also blow through their material much faster, or their material would have to be injected with filler to make it last, and it, too, would suffer. Yeah, also NXT really don't have to answer to anyone. RAW has to deal with the network and advertisers etc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 15:27:35 GMT -5
After yesterday's weird show 205 Live joined the "better than Raw" club too.
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Post by Rican on Dec 21, 2016 15:30:41 GMT -5
It's a hell of a lot easier to make cupcakes than a wedding cake. 3 hours is a lot to fill for one show, much less 4-5 a month, but financially, it's something WWE is stuck doing. If you had the same exact writers from Smackdown, or NXT, doing it, you may well get a better show, but they would also blow through their material much faster, or their material would have to be injected with filler to make it last, and it, too, would suffer. And the brand split makes it so much worse. Honestly if RAW was the ONLY show they had and they used the whole roster for it, I feel like the product overall would improve but they're too financially dependent on TV and need SmackDown to do well too.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 21, 2016 15:36:58 GMT -5
NXT is the fun guy at the pub, telling entertaining stories and going out of their way to make sure everybody is having a good time. Usually pretty mellow but goes crazy a few times a year.
Raw is the obnoxious drunk starting loud and never stopping. Their "jokes" are just insults or things only they find funny. Everybody is sick of them telling the same tired stories when they've had enough and just want to go home. Yet every now and again they do something that reminds you of why you liked them in the first place and you genuinely hope they can get their problems sorted.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 15:45:54 GMT -5
It's a hell of a lot easier to make cupcakes than a wedding cake. 3 hours is a lot to fill for one show, much less 4-5 a month, but financially, it's something WWE is stuck doing. If you had the same exact writers from Smackdown, or NXT, doing it, you may well get a better show, but they would also blow through their material much faster, or their material would have to be injected with filler to make it last, and it, too, would suffer. And the brand split makes it so much worse. Honestly if RAW was the ONLY show they had and they used the whole roster for it, I feel like the product overall would improve but they're too financially dependent on TV and need SmackDown to do well too. If Raw has to fall on the sword for everything else to be decent to good then I'm fine with that. Though we've already seen what Raw looks like sans brand split and that wasn't any good either. Whatever it is something's inherently broken on Raw and it's been bad for years.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 21, 2016 15:48:32 GMT -5
It's a hell of a lot easier to make cupcakes than a wedding cake. 3 hours is a lot to fill for one show, much less 4-5 a month, but financially, it's something WWE is stuck doing. If you had the same exact writers from Smackdown, or NXT, doing it, you may well get a better show, but they would also blow through their material much faster, or their material would have to be injected with filler to make it last, and it, too, would suffer. Yeah, also NXT really don't have to answer to anyone. RAW has to deal with the network and advertisers etc. Plus, NXT is kind of run like an old school, one hour Raw, back when they taped a bunch of shows in a row. Things are very basic. That works for a hsow like NXT, but people would get bored if Raw was like that all the time, once it stopped being refreshingly simple. Raw brings in money, but some of what makes it lucrative is also what makes the show ponderous. Smackdown has the luxury of 52 hours less a year to book. That adds up. Raw is the lame husband. The passion is just not there nowadays, but the bills get paid. Smackdown is the pool boy. He's fun and exciting, but he also doesn't have the same responsibilities to weigh him down.
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Post by edgestar on Dec 21, 2016 15:52:45 GMT -5
SD has Dean, so, I find it more fun than Raw
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Post by Ken: The Hero of WWE on Dec 21, 2016 15:53:27 GMT -5
Both NXT and Raw aren't fun. SDLive is where its at.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 21, 2016 16:19:43 GMT -5
That's funny because outside of Takeovers, this forum considers NXT dull for the most part. Every show has their strengths and weaknesses. It's just easier to point out Raw due their current persona non grata status because calling out similar flaws on Smackdown is considered disloyal. NXT suffers from lack of true character development which leads to problems for future callups because they ain't in Full Sail anymore.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 21, 2016 16:25:29 GMT -5
No way NXT is more fun than Raw; how many times a week does Michael Cole tell us how much fun something is? Checkmate.
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Post by Abdullah on Dec 21, 2016 16:46:10 GMT -5
That's funny because outside of Takeovers, this forum considers NXT dull for the most part. Every show has their strengths and weaknesses. It's just easier to point out Raw due their current persona non grata status because calling out similar flaws on Smackdown is considered disloyal. NXT suffers from lack of true character development which leads to problems for future callups because they ain't in Full Sail anymore. We don't really talk about NXT. We talk about Raw, good and bad. Hell, we're slowly but surely not talking about Takeovers either. NXT had a really good run. 2012 until 2015. Nothing to scoff at. Then Dusty died and Hunter spammed the 'hottest free agent' button.
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Post by DSR on Dec 21, 2016 16:52:57 GMT -5
NXT is the fun guy at the pub, telling entertaining stories and going out of their way to make sure everybody is having a good time. Usually pretty mellow but goes crazy a few times a year. Raw is the obnoxious drunk starting loud and never stopping. Their "jokes" are just insults or things only they find funny. Everybody is sick of them telling the same tired stories when they've had enough and just want to go home. Yet every now and again they do something that reminds you of why you liked them in the first place and you genuinely hope they can get their problems sorted. Raw is the lame husband. The passion is just not there nowadays, but the bills get paid. Smackdown is the pool boy. He's fun and exciting, but he also doesn't have the same responsibilities to weigh him down. These analogies are both awesome.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 21, 2016 16:55:52 GMT -5
That's funny because outside of Takeovers, this forum considers NXT dull for the most part. False. Please don't construe a relatively small pod that creates 20 threads each per week about the same things and posts in every thread for the voice of "the forum." Some are just more vocal. Sometimes, it's just easier to let the cat play with the empty grocery bag than to force the rat with nine tails of catnip on it. {Spoiler} (No problems with people who post a lot. That's not what my post is saying. Just a comment about disproportionality and perception at times.) Also, it helps if people watch. I don't mean play it in the background while playing video games on another screen and missing what's actually taking place rather than getting the highights through the cocktail party effect only. NXT is several times more nuanced than a RAW broadcast. All that said, it's not going to be for everyone. By no means am I implying something is wrong if someone doesn't like NXT. Just see the first paragraph again. I think that's where a number of forum issues and perceptions can be traced to. I'm not exempt from being vocal about issues I care about too, so I'm not just crying foul.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Dec 21, 2016 16:58:49 GMT -5
That's funny because outside of Takeovers, this forum considers NXT dull for the most part. False. Please don't construe a relatively small pod that creates 20 threads each per week about the same things and posts in every thread for the voice of "the forum." Some are just more vocal. Sometimes, it's just easier to let the cat play with the empty grocery bag than to force the rat with nine tails of catnip on it. {Spoiler}{Spoiler} (No problems with people who post a lot. That's not what my post is saying. Just a comment about disproportionality and perception at times.) Also, it helps if people watch. I don't mean play it in the background while playing video games on another screen and missing what's actually taking place rather than getting the highights through the cocktail party effect only. NXT is several times more nuanced than a RAW broadcast. All that said, it's not going to be for everyone. By no means am I implying something is wrong if someone doesn't like NXT. Just see the first paragraph again. I think that's where a number of forum issues and perceptions can be traced to. I'm not exempt from being vocal about issues I care about too, so I'm not just crying foul. This man speaks the truth People should ACTUALLY WATCH NXT for rizzeal, THEN criticize
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 21, 2016 17:20:09 GMT -5
That's funny because outside of Takeovers, this forum considers NXT dull for the most part. False. Please don't construe a relatively small pod that creates 20 threads each per week about the same things and posts in every thread for the voice of "the forum." Some are just more vocal. Sometimes, it's just easier to let the cat play with the empty grocery bag than to force the rat with nine tails of catnip on it. {Spoiler}{Spoiler} (No problems with people who post a lot. That's not what my post is saying. Just a comment about disproportionality and perception at times.) Also, it helps if people watch. I don't mean play it in the background while playing video games on another screen and missing what's actually taking place rather than getting the highights through the cocktail party effect only. NXT is several times more nuanced than a RAW broadcast. All that said, it's not going to be for everyone. By no means am I implying something is wrong if someone doesn't like NXT. Just see the first paragraph again. I think that's where a number of forum issues and perceptions can be traced to. I'm not exempt from being vocal about issues I care about too, so I'm not just crying foul. How about other places around the Net who aren't enthralled with current NXT? Unless you considered those voices wrong also. Each Takeover is less hyped than the previous regardless if there is strong action during the show. The problem is that it's "Been there, done that" when it comes to the in ring portion involving the bigger names. The talent level is high but reasons to care is low. Shinsuke vs Joe went from Dream Match City to When are they leaving for the main roster. As mentioned, Dusty made sure everything on screen served a purpose. Ryan Ward worked on making characters pop like the Vaudevillians' ring entrance and Bayley's wacky inflatable tube men. Both are gone and things aren't the same. TM-61 came in with indy cred but failed to wow the crowd. Meanwhile an over the top character like No Way Jose got over but tv time and role is reduced. Look at Andrade Almas. They made him a generic babyface and assumed the crowd would cheer for him because he was the former La Sombra. It didn't work but a heel turn is. We still got no reason to care about Roderick Strong. Who is Ember Moon? And why should we care about her? Basic stuff that we give NXT a pass on. Dusty's NXT wasn't perfect but he knew the goal was making people ready for the main roster.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 17:23:26 GMT -5
More like "Smackdown, Talking Smack and now 205 Live" is fun while Raw is not.
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