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Post by Fade on Jan 24, 2017 12:39:08 GMT -5
I guess Hollywood is cool again with Mel Gibson. Which I'm immensely appreciative for. Besides always having been a fan of the man as an actor, he's an immensely talented director. It's a good line-up. What I expected. I still hope LaLa Land sweeps but It's the Oscars so..
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 24, 2017 12:40:26 GMT -5
I guess Hollywood is cool again with Mel Gibson. Which depresses me to no end. I'll give him credit for his acting ability, but I don't have much to say about the man himself. I'll leave it at that. Actually, no, I take that back, because I've got more. I find the fact that many people in Hollywood have turned a blind eye to the racist and anti-Semitic BS he's spouted in the past to be disheartening.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 24, 2017 12:46:53 GMT -5
Hollywood has always looked over people's terrible words and deeds if they have the talent or can bring in money.
Going back as far as the Golden Age.
Then again it's not unique to Hollywood either... I mean John Lennon openly admits to beating his wife.
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Post by Fade on Jan 24, 2017 12:52:42 GMT -5
And shunning for years hardly qualifies as batting a blind eye. Mel's remained working whilst avoiding his demons and any crazy rants that may derive from them.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 24, 2017 12:54:31 GMT -5
Hollywood has always looked over people's terrible words and deeds if they have the talent or can bring in money. Going back as far as the Golden Age. Then again it's not unique to Hollywood either... I mean John Lennon openly admits to beating his wife. I'm aware of that. It still doesn't excuse what he said.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 24, 2017 12:57:12 GMT -5
Hollywood has always looked over people's terrible words and deeds if they have the talent or can bring in money. Going back as far as the Golden Age. Then again it's not unique to Hollywood either... I mean John Lennon openly admits to beating his wife. I'm aware of that. It still doesn't excuse what he said. I never said it did. But if people in Hollywood still deal with Roman Polanski, or the people in the Golden Age that literally got away with murder this shouldn't be a horrible surprise.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 24, 2017 12:59:35 GMT -5
I'm aware of that. It still doesn't excuse what he said. I never said it did. But if people in Hollywood still deal with Roman Polanski, or the people in the Golden Age that literally got away with murder this shouldn't be a horrible surprise. The Polanski thing also bothers me a lot. I'm not treating Gibson as an outlier, because I know he isn't. But I don't think it's odd for me to be angry that people in Hollywood look the other way with him.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 24, 2017 13:10:54 GMT -5
It begs the question, are black, women, and Jewish people in Hollywood going to object to Gibson like the controversy over a lack of black nominees in recent years. I'd also be very interested to hear what Meryl Streep thinks about all of this. She'll be sitting just a few rows from Mel.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Jan 24, 2017 14:54:15 GMT -5
simple equasion at to who get's nominated
ARE YOU GOOD ENOUGH?
and i don't really think LA LA LAND will win many awards, apart from the main picture one, portman has it all sewn up for best actress
it's gonna be OVER diversified this year to "balance things up"
and good for SILENCE to get the cinematography nod, it's ONLY nod mind!
and should KUBO be in the special effects category, since that should be in animation?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 16:54:21 GMT -5
I guess Hollywood is cool again with Mel Gibson. Yeah, this certainly has to cement it I think...
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 24, 2017 17:49:34 GMT -5
Damn I was hoping Deadpool get nominated for best picture. Apparently it nearly happened. It's very rare that a box office hit is nominated for anything. There's still an incredible arrogance and pretentiousness to the Academy as far as what they will and will not nominate. Someone could make a legitimately phenomenal film, but if it just happened to have a superhero in it, they're going to snub the shit out of it. Heath Ledger only got an Oscar because he died and they felt obligated. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but if he were living, it wouldn't have even crossed their mind to nominate him.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 24, 2017 18:17:22 GMT -5
The only reason Deadpool was rumored to be in the running for anything is because it was nominated in other award shows like the Golden Globes and I think the SAG awards.
Glad to see some love for Fences and Hidden Figures.
And I still don't like Mel Gibson. But then if Hollywood could "forgive" and celebrate a fugitive, convicted rapist like Roman Polanski and look the other way at Woody Allen's alleged transgressions, I'm not surprised that they can do the same with mere racist and antisemitic comments.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 24, 2017 19:03:05 GMT -5
Damn I was hoping Deadpool get nominated for best picture. Apparently it nearly happened. It's very rare that a box office hit is nominated for anything. There's still an incredible arrogance and pretentiousness to the Academy as far as what they will and will not nominate. Someone could make a legitimately phenomenal film, but if it just happened to have a superhero in it, they're going to snub the shit out of it. Heath Ledger only got an Oscar because he died and they felt obligated. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but if he were living, it wouldn't have even crossed their mind to nominate him. That reminds of a joke some presenter did when tossing it over to the cast of the Avengers it was something like. They had the highest grossing movie of last year with some of the most positive critical response which is why of course they are nominated for 1 award tonight.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jan 24, 2017 19:41:37 GMT -5
Damn I was hoping Deadpool get nominated for best picture. Apparently it nearly happened. It's very rare that a box office hit is nominated for anything. There's still an incredible arrogance and pretentiousness to the Academy as far as what they will and will not nominate. Someone could make a legitimately phenomenal film, but if it just happened to have a superhero in it, they're going to snub the shit out of it. Heath Ledger only got an Oscar because he died and they felt obligated. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but if he were living, it wouldn't have even crossed their mind to nominate him. That's just false. If you want to discuss tendencies, then yeah. But when I hear this stated (which is often) it just screams "I didn't get those other movies; give me my flying men in capes." I can go along with arrogance and pretentiousness of the Academy. But that has nothing to do with saying Deadpool and Suicide Squad aren't better films than Manchester By the Sea and Nocturnal Animals. Can it be argued that they are? Yeah, and Taco Bell can be argued as a better restaurant than Ruth's Chris. If anything, the more box office friendly films almost always beat out more deserved films. Film history teaches us that. Sure, they aren't explosions and sophomoric humor-laced movies, but they do better than some films that never get a second look because of who produced them (or rather, who didn't produce them). Nothing at all against personal taste. But that claim just isn't true. (By the way, I get emotionally filled statements. If that's all it was, I get that, and I'm on board for that. I just hear that stuff a lot from people who actually believe it to be true.) I would really be on board for discussion of crap like Hacksaw Ridge that is as "safe" as it gets in film-making. I do see tendencies to give films like that a look in order to appeal to lower common denominators. A mix between art and schmaltzy entertainment. But your argument? What film won the most Academy Awards in 2016? {Spoiler}Mad Max says hi.
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Post by BRV on Jan 24, 2017 20:17:56 GMT -5
I guess Hollywood is cool again with Mel Gibson. Which depresses me to no end. I'll give him credit for his acting ability, but I don't have much to say about the man himself. I'll leave it at that. Actually, no, I take that back, because I've got more. I find the fact that many people in Hollywood have turned a blind eye to the racist and anti-Semitic BS he's spouted in the past to be disheartening. Roman Polanski received a standing ovation for his Best Director win in 2003. So anytime celebrities get on their high horse and talk about how forward-thinking Hollywood is, let's never forget that they stood and applauded for a man who cannot step foot in the United States without being arrested for statutory rape. As an aside to all of this, I cannot get over "La La Land" garnering FOURTEEN nominations. Movies about Hollywood are the new Oscar bait. I shouldn't be surprised, considering "Argo" and "Birdman" both took home Best Picture awards in the past, because if there's one thing that Hollywood loves above all else, it's letting everyone else know how cool or important Hollywood is.
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Post by Shai on Jan 25, 2017 0:14:33 GMT -5
I saw La La Land over the weekend, I freaking love that movie and will be supremely disappointed if it does not win.
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Post by Shai on Jan 25, 2017 0:26:35 GMT -5
It's very rare that a box office hit is nominated for anything. There's still an incredible arrogance and pretentiousness to the Academy as far as what they will and will not nominate. Someone could make a legitimately phenomenal film, but if it just happened to have a superhero in it, they're going to snub the shit out of it. Heath Ledger only got an Oscar because he died and they felt obligated. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but if he were living, it wouldn't have even crossed their mind to nominate him. That's just false. If you want to discuss tendencies, then yeah. But when I hear this stated (which is often) it just screams "I didn't get those other movies; give me my flying men in capes." I can go along with arrogance and pretentiousness of the Academy. But that has nothing to do with saying Deadpool and Suicide Squad aren't better films than Manchester By the Sea and Nocturnal Animals. Can it be argued that they are? Yeah, and Taco Bell can be argued as a better restaurant than Ruth's Chris. If anything, the more box office friendly films almost always beat out more deserved films. Film history teaches us that. Sure, they aren't explosions and sophomoric humor-laced movies, but they do better than some films that never get a second look because of who produced them (or rather, who didn't produce them). Nothing at all against personal taste. But that claim just isn't true. (By the way, I get emotionally filled statements. If that's all it was, I get that, and I'm on board for that. I just hear that stuff a lot from people who actually believe it to be true.) I would really be on board for discussion of crap like Hacksaw Ridge that is as "safe" as it gets in film-making. I do see tendencies to give films like that a look in order to appeal to lower common denominators. A mix between art and schmaltzy entertainment. But your argument? What film won the most Academy Awards in 2016? {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Mad Max says hi. I think its a mix of both. Do I think sometimes the Academy snubs I guess what I call Gen Pop movies you know the stuff the average person goes and sees. Absolutely. But lately the gap between "Oscar Worthy" movies and "Mainstream" movies is getting smaller and smaller Mad Max being an excellent example of that. I know I'm a regular movie goer and watcher and there were years I hadn't heard of let alone seen any Best Picture nominated movies and I've noticed that that was the case for a lot of people. That's slowly becoming a thing of the past.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 25, 2017 3:12:48 GMT -5
It's very rare that a box office hit is nominated for anything. There's still an incredible arrogance and pretentiousness to the Academy as far as what they will and will not nominate. Someone could make a legitimately phenomenal film, but if it just happened to have a superhero in it, they're going to snub the shit out of it. Heath Ledger only got an Oscar because he died and they felt obligated. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but if he were living, it wouldn't have even crossed their mind to nominate him. That's just false. If you want to discuss tendencies, then yeah. But when I hear this stated (which is often) it just screams "I didn't get those other movies; give me my flying men in capes." I can go along with arrogance and pretentiousness of the Academy. But that has nothing to do with saying Deadpool and Suicide Squad aren't better films than Manchester By the Sea and Nocturnal Animals. Can it be argued that they are? Yeah, and Taco Bell can be argued as a better restaurant than Ruth's Chris. If anything, the more box office friendly films almost always beat out more deserved films. Film history teaches us that. Sure, they aren't explosions and sophomoric humor-laced movies, but they do better than some films that never get a second look because of who produced them (or rather, who didn't produce them). Nothing at all against personal taste. But that claim just isn't true. (By the way, I get emotionally filled statements. If that's all it was, I get that, and I'm on board for that. I just hear that stuff a lot from people who actually believe it to be true.) I would really be on board for discussion of crap like Hacksaw Ridge that is as "safe" as it gets in film-making. I do see tendencies to give films like that a look in order to appeal to lower common denominators. A mix between art and schmaltzy entertainment. But your argument? What film won the most Academy Awards in 2016? {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Mad Max says hi. I admittedly stopped watching a decade ago. I should have rephrased and said hits rarely get nominated for the top awards. Still, I recall Hellboy 2 losing best makeup to a powdered wig period piece. I didn't even like Hellboy 2, but the makeup effects were amazing and far more of an achievement than just making people up like the 1800's. As for Mad Max, I just looked it up, and it was precisely what I figured. It won all the technical awards that mean squat to the casual observer. Best Picture, Best Actor, Best Actress, etc. still went to Oscar bait.
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Post by Cela on Jan 25, 2017 23:52:38 GMT -5
Which depresses me to no end. I'll give him credit for his acting ability, but I don't have much to say about the man himself. I'll leave it at that. Actually, no, I take that back, because I've got more. I find the fact that many people in Hollywood have turned a blind eye to the racist and anti-Semitic BS he's spouted in the past to be disheartening. Roman Polanski received a standing ovation for his Best Director win in 2003. So anytime celebrities get on their high horse and talk about how forward-thinking Hollywood is, let's never forget that they stood and applauded for a man who cannot step foot in the United States without being arrested for statutory rape. As an aside to all of this, I cannot get over "La La Land" garnering FOURTEEN nominations. Movies about Hollywood are the new Oscar bait. I shouldn't be surprised, considering "Argo" and "Birdman" both took home Best Picture awards in the past, because if there's one thing that Hollywood loves above all else, it's letting everyone else know how cool or important Hollywood is. But Birdman was about Broadway. And a phenomenally shot movie with great scenes of acting. It deserved the win easily.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jan 26, 2017 8:48:57 GMT -5
I see a few people are upset about Gibson and Casey Affleck's nominations.
I had no idea about the Affleck stuff.
And please correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall around the time of Polanski's win, that the conversation about him came up again. Where it was that his victim forgave him and wished others would as well so he could come back to America.
I could be thinking of something or somebody else though.
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