The Godfather 3

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

What happened? Do not get me wrong it is a good movie in its own merit but for me it is always the most difficult to sit through. It felt more like a stand along story than anything but in saying that if you did not see the first 2 movies you were shit out of luck to know what was going on. Not going to get into the actresses acting as that is always brought up anyway.

What are your thoughts on the Godfather 3?

[mcmahonfan85]

I think they should have cut out all the Vatican crap and Sofia Coppola

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Jan 5, 2017 12:08:49 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

What happened?

It exists.

Coppola had movie failures and finally gave in on accepting Paramount's offer to make a 3rd movie.

He always said and believed the Godfather Saga was over with 2.

The studio wanted it, he didn't.


......that's it.

I rather like it, but it's horribly out of sync with the other two. Maybe if it had been made 10 years earlier......but even then, so much changed with 2 that it still would've been this weird red-headed stepchild when compared to 1 & 2.


EDIT: And dang it, it's supposed to be out of sync (sorta), isn't it? Just realized that as I was walking out for a break at work (which I had to cut short ). The movie and its story are both set 20 years later. (And a literal "red-headed stepchild" ends up becoming the Godfather....heh.)

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jan 5, 2017 15:01:14 GMT -5 @knapp said:

Jan 5, 2017 12:08:49 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

What happened?

It exists.

Coppola had movie failures and finally gave in on accepting Paramount's offer to make a 3rd movie.

He always said and believed the Godfather Saga was over with 2.

The studio wanted it, he didn't.


......that's it.

I rather like it, but it's horribly out of sync with the other two. Maybe if it had been made 10 years earlier......but even then, so much changed with 2 that it still would've been this weird red-headed stepchild when compared to 1 & 2.

Which is why I said it felt more like a side story than anything because of how it played out the difference from the first two.

It's funny they aired The Godfather Saga as they called it in on Cinemax and it only consisted of the first two movies

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Jan 5, 2017 15:07:22 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

It's funny they aired The Godfather Saga as they called it in on Cinemax and it only consisted of the first two movies

Actually, that was a way they used to air the 2 movies together on TV years ago (before 3 ever existed). It was an extended/combined cut of both movies Coppola authorized in 1977, mainly because Apocalypse Now was overbudget and he needed some extra money.

IIRC there was some additional material mixed in there that wasn't in either movie too (for example, a short scene where the bodyguard who kills Michael's first wife is himself killed stateside some time later)...

I think there was a version of The Saga with Godfather 3 tacked onto the end a while after it came out, but the '77 version is the most famous (and used to be shown on Spike TV when they aired The Godfather movies like every other day some years back)

[Alexander The So-so]

I've heard that if they had managed to keep Robert Duvall on board, the original idea for the story would've centered on Tom Hagan turning on and feuding with Michael. Would've made more sense than the Vatican stuff we got.

Not a terrible movie, but it's just...off. It doesn't feel right, and doesn't have the same vibes as the first two.

[mizerable]

I agree they should've rolled out the money to get Duvall back. His absence was truly noticeable.

But yeah...poison canolis.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Hagan vs Michael would of been amazing. They should of shelled out that money.

["Playboy" Don Douglas]

Yeah, that's what I had heard. It was going to be a power struggle between Mike and Tom, possibly with there being no clear cut hero or villain, as much as that means in the context of the Godfather universe.

Supposedly, they low balled Duvall and he walked.

I like 3 better than most people seem to, but whoever tightened the purse strings needs a swift kick in the ass.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jan 5, 2017 16:14:21 GMT -5 "Playboy" Don Douglas said:

Yeah, that's what I had heard. It was going to be a power struggle between Mike and Tom, possibly with there being no clear cut hero or villain, as much as that means in the context of the Godfather universe.

Supposedly, they low balled Duvall and he walked.

I like 3 better than most people seem to, but whoever tightened the purse strings needs a swift kick in the ass.

Sounds like a pure cash grab. We want profits because we know this will bring it but we don't want to go crazy. Get as much cash back in the pockets as possible.

[Zone Was Wrong]

I was actually one of the few who didn't hate this film. It obviously nose dived in quality after the first two films it was still expertly filmed and acted (for the most part and in her case I can give a little slack since the original actress pulled out right before shooting if my memory serves.) Not saying it's amazing but I can still appreciate Pacino's performance as always and the complex narrative they were attempting to convey. The incest plotline on the other hand? Yeah that wasn't needed at all and you could've easily made the other male lead not Sonny's kid and told a similar story of forbidden romance. Regardless of who's kid he was, he was still a gangster and not someone Micheal who've wanted for his daughter. That's just my two cents though and I can totally understand the hatred this movie gets as a whole and in my defense I can find bright spots in almost anything I watch. (Almost)

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jan 5, 2017 17:08:10 GMT -5 Zone Was Wrong said:

I was actually one of the few who didn't hate this film. It obviously nose dived in quality after the first two films it was still expertly filmed and acted (for the most part and in her case I can give a little slack since the original actress pulled out right before shooting if my memory serves.) Not saying it's amazing but I can still appreciate Pacino's performance as always and the complex narrative they were attempting to convey. The incest plotline on the other hand? Yeah that wasn't needed at all and you could've easily made the other male lead not Sonny's kid and told a similar story of forbidden romance. Regardless of who's kid he was, he was still a gangster and not someone Micheal who've wanted for his daughter. That's just my two cents though and I can totally understand the hatred this movie gets as a whole and in my defense I can find bright spots in almost anything I watch. (Almost)

Find a bright spot in son of mask

[Zone Was Wrong]

Jan 5, 2017 17:10:07 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Jan 5, 2017 17:08:10 GMT -5 Zone Was Wrong said:

I was actually one of the few who didn't hate this film. It obviously nose dived in quality after the first two films it was still expertly filmed and acted (for the most part and in her case I can give a little slack since the original actress pulled out right before shooting if my memory serves.) Not saying it's amazing but I can still appreciate Pacino's performance as always and the complex narrative they were attempting to convey. The incest plotline on the other hand? Yeah that wasn't needed at all and you could've easily made the other male lead not Sonny's kid and told a similar story of forbidden romance. Regardless of who's kid he was, he was still a gangster and not someone Micheal who've wanted for his daughter. That's just my two cents though and I can totally understand the hatred this movie gets as a whole and in my defense I can find bright spots in almost anything I watch. (Almost)

Find a bright spot in son of mask

I'm a big fan of the Three Stooges so a couple of the slapstick moments got a chuckle out of me. Other than that though it was crap. Jaime Kennedy does nothing for me and the cgi was horrific. The idea is intriguing, exploring the backstory of The Mask and all that but the execution was....bad.

[Optimax]

Jan 5, 2017 12:08:49 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

What happened? Do not get me wrong it is a good movie in its own merit but for me it is always the most difficult to sit through. It felt more like a stand along story than anything but in saying that if you did not see the first 2 movies you were shit out of luck to know what was going on. Not going to get into the actresses acting as that is always brought up anyway.

What are your thoughts on the Godfather 3?

It was meant to be a stand alone, title something along the lines of the coreleone tragedy

[Jiren]

It's watchable but I really only ever watch 1 & 2 anyway

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jan 5, 2017 20:05:35 GMT -5 Optimax said:

Jan 5, 2017 12:08:49 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

What happened? Do not get me wrong it is a good movie in its own merit but for me it is always the most difficult to sit through. It felt more like a stand along story than anything but in saying that if you did not see the first 2 movies you were shit out of luck to know what was going on. Not going to get into the actresses acting as that is always brought up anyway.

What are your thoughts on the Godfather 3?

It was meant to be a stand alone, title something along the lines of the coreleone tragedy

supposed to be death of michael coreleone I believe. 

[Hit Girl]

Never seen it. Never will.

The Godfather Part II ended perfectly with that last shot of Michael sitting there with a dead look in his eyes

[Hugh Mungus]

Jan 5, 2017 20:05:35 GMT -5 Optimax said:

Jan 5, 2017 12:08:49 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

What happened? Do not get me wrong it is a good movie in its own merit but for me it is always the most difficult to sit through. It felt more like a stand along story than anything but in saying that if you did not see the first 2 movies you were shit out of luck to know what was going on. Not going to get into the actresses acting as that is always brought up anyway.

What are your thoughts on the Godfather 3?

It was meant to be a stand alone, title something along the lines of the coreleone tragedy

The working title for Godfather Part III was "The Death of Michael Corleone".

As for Sofia Coppola's casting, she was cast at the last minute due to some of Coppola's choices (Julia Roberts, Madonna, Winona Ryder) being either unavailable or declined (in the case of Rebecca Schaeffer, she was murdered).

[G✇JI☈A]

It's OK. It's just not up to par with the first two flicks. Plus there were some dumb decisions. Like not getting Duvall back which we mentioned. The romance between first cousins... there fathers were brothers .. it was just creepy. The Vatican plot. One scene there is a guy that is poisoned and he acts like a goose choking on something.

Plus in my opinion the story would have been great if it was about Michael's son wanting to fellow in his footsteps and his mother trying to prevent that. They sort of teased that in II when he refused to kiss her goodbye. But in III all is forgiven, and he now hates his father and wants to become an opera singer.

Also it suffered because Martin Scorsese's Goodfellas came out around the same time. I think it came out before GIII. So a lot of people were nit only comparing it to the first too Godfather films. They were also comparing it to Goodfellas.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jan 6, 2017 1:05:27 GMT -5 G✇JI☈A said:

It's OK. It's just not up to par with the first two flicks. Plus there were some dumb decisions. Like not getting Duvall back which we mentioned. The romance between first cousins... there fathers were brothers .. it was just creepy. The Vatican plot. One scene there is a guy that is poisoned and he acts like a goose choking on something.

Plus in my opinion the story would have been great if it was about Michael's son wanting to fellow in his footsteps and his mother trying to prevent that. They sort of teased that in II when he refused to kiss her goodbye. But in III all is forgiven, and he now hates his father and wants to become an opera singer.

Also it suffered because Martin Scorsese's Goodfellas came out around the same time. I think it came out before GIII. So a lot of people were nit only comparing it to the first too Godfather films. They were also comparing it to Goodfellas.

As discussed the Duvall vs Pacino storyline could of been great or even as you suggested Michael son wanting to be like his father as they planted the seeds in Godfather 2 with him being cold towards his mother.

Those two options would of fit into the narrative better and felt like a 3rd act instead of a side story that is decent in its own right but when checked to the two previous films doesn't hold water.