mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Apr 30, 2017 12:42:25 GMT -5
Yes I think a redesign would've worked wonders, Lose the early 90's hip hop look (It looked daft)and update it with a Gangsta Rap look ala Biggie Smalls This was my idea as well. WWF was so far behind the times that they were dressing up Mabel and Mo in these gawdy outfits that stopped being popular in 1991. I'm not saying that Mabel would have to continue to rap or anything, but modernizing the look would've certainly helped him significantly. And I'll go on record as saying they didn't have a bad thing in Frazier, because I think he was a decent worker, better than Yokozuna was around the same time. But WWF was just booking big guys in such an outdated way at the time. Hell, I think even Vader could've used a slight upgrade.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 30, 2017 13:12:32 GMT -5
Yes I think a redesign would've worked wonders, Lose the early 90's hip hop look (It looked daft)and update it with a Gangsta Rap look ala Biggie Smalls This was my idea as well. WWF was so far behind the times that they were dressing up Mabel and Mo in these gawdy outfits that stopped being popular in 1991. I'm not saying that Mabel would have to continue to rap or anything, but modernizing the look would've certainly helped him significantly. And I'll go on record as saying they didn't have a bad thing in Frazier, because I think he was a decent worker, better than Yokozuna was around the same time. But WWF was just booking big guys in such an outdated way at the time. Hell, I think even Vader could've used a slight upgrade. The difference is that Yoko wasn't hurting people, Mabel was, and if Yoko was asked not to drop his full weight down onto the world champion's injured back, he wouldn't.
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Post by Jiren on Apr 30, 2017 13:52:56 GMT -5
This was my idea as well. WWF was so far behind the times that they were dressing up Mabel and Mo in these gawdy outfits that stopped being popular in 1991. I'm not saying that Mabel would have to continue to rap or anything, but modernizing the look would've certainly helped him significantly. And I'll go on record as saying they didn't have a bad thing in Frazier, because I think he was a decent worker, better than Yokozuna was around the same time. But WWF was just booking big guys in such an outdated way at the time. Hell, I think even Vader could've used a slight upgrade. The difference is that Yoko wasn't hurting people, Mabel was, and if Yoko was asked not to drop his full weight down onto the world champion's injured back, he wouldn't. *Language*
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Post by CubsFan71 on Apr 30, 2017 14:04:22 GMT -5
Diesel vs Mabel at Summerslam 95 is the perfect example of how one bad match can derail an entire ppv. Nash can't be blamed for this however. I doubt even Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels could have gotten a decent match out of Mabel. He was a terrible worker who had no regard for his opponents or their safety. So yes his push was that bad
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 30, 2017 14:12:01 GMT -5
It's not like it started with a bang either. They wouldn't let him beat Michaels or Undertaker clean at KOTR to build him up as a legitimate threat. Instead he beats Savio Vega, a guy who know one believed was a star, to win the crown.
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Post by auph10imitated on Apr 30, 2017 14:53:53 GMT -5
The most they should have had was a heel tag title run. Certainly not a Summerslam main event
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Post by hassanchop on May 1, 2017 2:49:44 GMT -5
Diesel vs Mabel at Summerslam 95 is the perfect example of how one bad match can derail an entire ppv. The same could be said for the In Your House Match Diesel vs Bulldog: (Language warning) I heard Vince was yelling at Nash after the match on how bad he performed.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 1, 2017 8:34:12 GMT -5
That B.I.G gimmick would have been perfect for Mark Henry, who can trash talk better than anyone in WWE.
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Post by CubsFan71 on May 1, 2017 13:13:51 GMT -5
Diesel vs Mabel at Summerslam 95 is the perfect example of how one bad match can derail an entire ppv. The same could be said for the In Your House Match Diesel vs Bulldog: (Language warning) I heard Vince was yelling at Nash after the match on how bad he performed. Forgot all about this stinker. I had to go back and watch it yeah it's bad. Although not quite as bad as the Summerslam match
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Post by The Ichi on May 1, 2017 16:48:36 GMT -5
If you have to ask "was it that bad?", 9 times out of 10 the answer is yes.
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 2, 2017 5:34:30 GMT -5
The idea for the push wasn't bad. The problem was it exposed the lack of depth and freshness that WWF roster had at that time. Vince wanted to recreate the face world champion fighting monster heels formula that worked for others like Hogan and Bruno. But due to the steroid trial/fallout, Kliq politics, and the company going through a major money issue; options were quite limited. Especially with the free market for available wrestlers. We forget that Mabel was a greehorn and young as hell when he came to WWF. Yoko was starting his downward spiral with his weight affecting his health and ability. Bret, HBK, Taker, and Sid been at the top numerous times and were backup plans. So the only person who fit that mold of monster heel on the roster whaven't been overexposed was Mabel. Mabel at the time didn't know how to work lightly so he hit people with his full weight. He wasn't mature or experienced and it wasn't like he was going to get help on that front because folks wanted his spot and willing to see him fail for that shot. Which he did and left the company shortly after. It took working the Memphis territory for him to learn how to actually work. His look was the least of his issue.
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Post by auph10imitated on May 2, 2017 6:33:21 GMT -5
They should have kept Bam Bam Bigelow heel and have him go on a wrecking spree after Wrestlemania, he would have been a much better main event monster than Mabel. I know The Kliq didn't like him, but at least he was safe, it would have benefited Nash much more than getting hurt by Mabel
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Post by Jiren on May 2, 2017 6:39:37 GMT -5
IMO 95's main issue was Diesel as champ, It was too limited for him (He wasn't good in the ring plus I could never buy him as a face in peril).
At least with Bret/Shawn they could've had better more believable matches
- Hakushi - Jeff Jarrett - 123 Kid - Razor - Bam Bam - Bulldog - Owen - Lawler
And plus they would've gotten good matches IMO outta Mabel/Diesel & Sid
I left Taker out because he was occupied with Million Dollar Corp throughout 95
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Post by segaz on May 2, 2017 16:24:32 GMT -5
Yep, he was terrible, although I still love Mo's KOTR speech. You too huh? I thought I was the only one. I loved it as a kid. I saw the SummerSlam match much later in life and was sorely disappointed, but at the time, I honestly was excited to see Mabel win.
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