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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on May 23, 2017 14:32:24 GMT -5
Great New TNA owners changes the name to Impact but now just a male verison of Dixie. ONly thing that changes in ownership is which bathroom they use.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 14:32:37 GMT -5
Percent chance that this genius hires noted wrestling genius Vince Russo: 86.8
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 23, 2017 15:23:07 GMT -5
Nordholm probably isn't delusional, he's going to Mary Sue his company as much as he can to make them look like they're in the right, and cling to whatever hope they have of making money off of this, but that doesn't mean people are going to turn against the Hardys and the WWE when Anthem has proven themselves to be as scuzzy as it gets in the short amount of time they've been in the wrestling spotlight. "What? WWE isn't interested in the Broken gimmick? Those monsters, I'm going to start watching TNA and give my money to the people who ran the Hardys off through shittier treatment and then tried to send their careers into a nosedive!" is what Ed Nordholm genuinely believes people are going to think.
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Post by Rave on May 23, 2017 19:27:57 GMT -5
Can't c/p because I'm on mobile, but apparently Nordholm's put up a huge blog with supposed proof of them owning the Broken gimmick, including an email exchange with WWE. I'm sure they're very pleased by those being put up.
Reby promptly compared it to Global Force Gold.
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Post by benstudd on May 23, 2017 19:34:42 GMT -5
His explanations seems pretty reasonable to me. But it's Impact so this board is gonna go against them.
For instance he says WWE have no interest in the gimmick. If they did not have called Anthem for it, then it seems to be the case.
I think this guy would have said ANYTHING and people over would have sacrified him. The sky is blue, OMG how could he, he is so stupid it's only blue half a day.
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Post by grunt on May 23, 2017 19:35:23 GMT -5
Yeah, he sent (badly) redacted emails, and the Hardys contracts (which seem pretty clear on who's owning what) to various dirt sheets.
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Post by benstudd on May 23, 2017 19:39:49 GMT -5
How does intellectual property work anymore? Back in the '90s, NBC prevented Letterman from using a lot of his old stuff because they claimed - since it was on NBC - they had rights to it. That ended eventually, as he was able to use old NBC footage again by the time his show ended, but I don't know if it was usable after a period of time or if the rules changed.... Anyway, this whole time I've assumed TNA could claim the Broken stuff is theirs for similar reasons, but now I don't know.. Well Conan O'Brien wasn't able to use a lot his NBC gimmicks on his new show outside of NBC.
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Post by Facetious on May 23, 2017 19:41:47 GMT -5
Since it is going around, here you go. Good afternoon,
In response to on-going speculation concerning our position with respect to the “Broken Brilliance” creative, I am providing this detailed log of our communications on the subject and the contractual structure of our relationship with Matt Hardy with respect to intellectual property matters (which is standard to our roster and in the industry).
There has never been any argument from Impact Wrestling that the Hardy’s were key contributors to the development of the characters and story line, or that Matt Hardy and Jeff Hardy executed on their roles in spectacular fashion. But the position taken by the Hardys is a massive disservice to the contributions of the rest of the creative team at Impact Wrestling, including Jeremy Borash, Dave Lagano (sic), Matt Conway and Billy Corgan, and is totally at odds with the terms of their contracts.
The Hardys would have you believe that Anthem is somehow avoiding their lawyers to address this. This is the log of our communications with the Hardys and/or their lawyers. It is clear that we have not been avoiding them.
March 10 – EBN speaks with executives at ROH about “Broken Brilliance” being used in ROH shows. I indicated willingness to provide an arrangement that would allow the creative to be used in ROH shows and encouraged ROH to have Matt speak with me if he wanted to pursue that discussion March 11 – EBN spoke at length with Matt by telephone about the structure of an amicable arrangement for use of the Broken Brilliance creative March 14 – Matt sent text message to Ed Nordholm at 4:05pm:
“Tried giving you a call, it rang & went busy. I'm open to working things out amicably as we spoke about. The lawyer who represent me is interested in seeing your offer. My lawyer's email is {redacted} which you could send the offer to for review. Thanks.”
And I responded by text at 6:41 pm
“Thank you Matt. I was supposed to be [flying] into NYC today and am a little twisted. I will pull something together with [our] lawyers and try to get it over to your lawyer tomorrow or Thursday at latest“
March 16 – At 8:25 pm I sent an update text to Matt:
“Hi Matt. My lawyer got me a draft too late to get reviewed for today. I will look at it in the morning. Sorry for the delay”
And he responded at 9:16 pm
“Ok, he's ready for it. Thanks for the update.”
March 17 – counsel for Anthem Wrestling delivered draft proposal to counsel for Matt Hardy March 24 – counsel for Anthem Wresting followed up with Matt Hardy counsel requesting comments on the proposal March 27 – counsel for Matt Hardy responds that they have been away and have not reviewed the proposal but will be back “in the next few days”
After which no further communication until
April 18 – counsel for Matt Hardy leaves a voice mail message for counsel for Anthem Wrestling asking to arrange a meeting April 20 – EBN contacts WWE by email to determine veracity of internet rumours concerning WWE interest in Broken Brilliance April 21 -- WWE respond by email that there “is no interest on our end” {redacted email exchange attached} April 21 – counsel for Matt Hardy sends a follow up message requesting a meeting April 27 – lawyers speak to arrange a meeting May 16 – lawyers meet but no agreement reached
Finally, I am attaching a copy of the relevant provisions of Matt’s contract with Impact. The clause is virtually identical to the corresponding provisions of every wrestler under contract with Impact.
The facts are that we tried to accommodate the Hardys for their Ring of Honour engagements, and have tried to elicit an indication from WWE whether they have an interest in using the Broken Brilliance creative in WWE. We are not hoarding it from WWE; WWE is not interested in it.
We fully respect the decision of Matt and Jeff to return to WWE and appreciate all of their contributions to Impact Wrestling. We wish them every success.
Our focus is on the future and we will not have any further public comment on this matter.
Ed NordholmSourceI included the source which has the documents included. This is the biggest shitshow in wrestling right now and I'm loving every bit of it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 23, 2017 19:44:14 GMT -5
Since it is going around, here you go. Good afternoon,
In response to on-going speculation concerning our position with respect to the “Broken Brilliance” creative, I am providing this detailed log of our communications on the subject and the contractual structure of our relationship with Matt Hardy with respect to intellectual property matters (which is standard to our roster and in the industry).
There has never been any argument from Impact Wrestling that the Hardy’s were key contributors to the development of the characters and story line, or that Matt Hardy and Jeff Hardy executed on their roles in spectacular fashion. But the position taken by the Hardys is a massive disservice to the contributions of the rest of the creative team at Impact Wrestling, including Jeremy Borash, Dave Lagano (sic), Matt Conway and Billy Corgan, and is totally at odds with the terms of their contracts.
The Hardys would have you believe that Anthem is somehow avoiding their lawyers to address this. This is the log of our communications with the Hardys and/or their lawyers. It is clear that we have not been avoiding them.
March 10 – EBN speaks with executives at ROH about “Broken Brilliance” being used in ROH shows. I indicated willingness to provide an arrangement that would allow the creative to be used in ROH shows and encouraged ROH to have Matt speak with me if he wanted to pursue that discussion March 11 – EBN spoke at length with Matt by telephone about the structure of an amicable arrangement for use of the Broken Brilliance creative March 14 – Matt sent text message to Ed Nordholm at 4:05pm:
“Tried giving you a call, it rang & went busy. I'm open to working things out amicably as we spoke about. The lawyer who represent me is interested in seeing your offer. My lawyer's email is {redacted} which you could send the offer to for review. Thanks.”
And I responded by text at 6:41 pm
“Thank you Matt. I was supposed to be [flying] into NYC today and am a little twisted. I will pull something together with [our] lawyers and try to get it over to your lawyer tomorrow or Thursday at latest“
March 16 – At 8:25 pm I sent an update text to Matt:
“Hi Matt. My lawyer got me a draft too late to get reviewed for today. I will look at it in the morning. Sorry for the delay”
And he responded at 9:16 pm
“Ok, he's ready for it. Thanks for the update.”
March 17 – counsel for Anthem Wrestling delivered draft proposal to counsel for Matt Hardy March 24 – counsel for Anthem Wresting followed up with Matt Hardy counsel requesting comments on the proposal March 27 – counsel for Matt Hardy responds that they have been away and have not reviewed the proposal but will be back “in the next few days”
After which no further communication until
April 18 – counsel for Matt Hardy leaves a voice mail message for counsel for Anthem Wrestling asking to arrange a meeting April 20 – EBN contacts WWE by email to determine veracity of internet rumours concerning WWE interest in Broken Brilliance April 21 -- WWE respond by email that there “is no interest on our end” {redacted email exchange attached} April 21 – counsel for Matt Hardy sends a follow up message requesting a meeting April 27 – lawyers speak to arrange a meeting May 16 – lawyers meet but no agreement reached
Finally, I am attaching a copy of the relevant provisions of Matt’s contract with Impact. The clause is virtually identical to the corresponding provisions of every wrestler under contract with Impact.
The facts are that we tried to accommodate the Hardys for their Ring of Honour engagements, and have tried to elicit an indication from WWE whether they have an interest in using the Broken Brilliance creative in WWE. We are not hoarding it from WWE; WWE is not interested in it.
We fully respect the decision of Matt and Jeff to return to WWE and appreciate all of their contributions to Impact Wrestling. We wish them every success.
Our focus is on the future and we will not have any further public comment on this matter.
Ed NordholmThis is the biggest shitshow in wrestling right now and I'm loving every bit of it. Wow. This dude gives no f***s
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Post by Facetious on May 23, 2017 19:46:35 GMT -5
Wow. This dude gives no f***s He also posted the emails and Matt's contract. He really doesn't.
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Post by eJm on May 23, 2017 19:48:29 GMT -5
Man, the true story from people who give a damn are going to make one hell of a Steve Austin podcast when it happens...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 23, 2017 19:49:59 GMT -5
Wow. This dude gives no f***s He also posted the emails and Matt's contract. He really doesn't. I'm assuming him leaking info like that isn't going to get him in trouble?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 23, 2017 19:54:07 GMT -5
So, all I'm getting here is that Nordholm wants the rights to the phrase "Broken Brilliance".
So why not just use an alternative, like "Broken Braintrust" or "Broken Brotherhood" or "Broken Brouhaha"?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 23, 2017 20:00:15 GMT -5
His explanations seems pretty reasonable to me. But it's Impact so this board is gonna go against them. For instance he says WWE have no interest in the gimmick. If they did not have called Anthem for it, then it seems to be the case. I think this guy would have said ANYTHING and people over would have sacrified him. The sky is blue, OMG how could he, he is so stupid it's only blue half a day. I'm tired of your condescending TNA posts and sniping at the board, stop or find another forum. Disagree with a post all ya want but the attitude has to go.
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Post by Rave on May 23, 2017 20:30:23 GMT -5
Them not ducking out on someone's lawyers? Shocking, considering how many others they've already ducked out on.
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Post by DASH 243✅ on May 23, 2017 20:32:58 GMT -5
Them not ducking out on someone's lawyers? Shocking, considering how many others they've already ducked out on. Does anthem have lawyers? I thought I read they lost their lawyers because they didn't pay them. Boom how can they be ducking what they don't have!
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 23, 2017 20:39:56 GMT -5
Dutch is co signing
Reby sounds off
Matt chimes in
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Post by Juice on May 23, 2017 20:43:05 GMT -5
Why is this company always publicly discussing business matters on twitter and shoot interciews? Of all of the unprofessional shit they do this irkes me the most.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 23, 2017 20:44:17 GMT -5
Reby continues to clap back
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:45:09 GMT -5
His explanations seems pretty reasonable to me. But it's Impact so this board is gonna go against them. For instance he says WWE have no interest in the gimmick. If they did not have called Anthem for it, then it seems to be the case. I think this guy would have said ANYTHING and people over would have sacrified him. The sky is blue, OMG how could he, he is so stupid it's only blue half a day. Well, yeah, even if TNA does have total ownership of it they're STILL being complete morons about it. There is absolutely zero way they can profit off it without the Hardys, someone else profiting from it won't cut into their business at all because TNA doesn't have any business, and all they've actually managed to accomplish is thoroughly torch a bridge with two guys who likely would have been perfectly fine to work with them again in the future. They're just being dicks for the sake of being dicks.
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