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Post by madness50 on Jun 26, 2017 0:28:16 GMT -5
It's a myth that Burton sidelined Batman/Bruce Wayne in his two movies. He didn't. Burton simply weaves Batman and the villains together. In the first movie, Batman and the Joker create each other. In the second film, Bruce and Selina have the same issues with duality. Each loses themselves in their alter-egos. As for the Penguin, he's like the warped version of Bruce Wayne. They are both from wealth and high society. Bruce lost his parents. The Penguin's parents intentionally lost him. As for killing, I have no problem with it. He's fighting psychopaths. It's kill or be killed. It also has a wicked sense of black humour, like when he sticks the bomb into that big guy's pants. Now I'm sure big guy had a family who miss him, but it was hilarious to me. It also has scenes like this, which have such a beautiful dark and eerie tone. One of the best summaries I've ever read on Burton's Batman. I've always been more of a fan of Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy, but I think Tim Burton casted Batman perfectly with Michael Keaton. Keaton played Batman like a tortured soul and a man who could possibly be insane. My favorite scene in Returns is when the Bat signal is flashed the first time. Bruce is sitting in the dark in a chair alone waiting to spring into action. It shows that Bruce Wayne is definitely the costume and Batman is who Bruce really is. Penguin and Bruce is an interesting comparison. Both were born into wealthy families, both lost their parents, and their grief caused who they would ultimately become. Had Penguin been born normal and not been cast out, Bruce and Oswald could have been best friends.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 26, 2017 1:39:11 GMT -5
It's a myth that Burton sidelined Batman/Bruce Wayne in his two movies. He didn't. Burton simply weaves Batman and the villains together. In the first movie, Batman and the Joker create each other. In the second film, Bruce and Selina have the same issues with duality. Each loses themselves in their alter-egos. As for the Penguin, he's like the warped version of Bruce Wayne. They are both from wealth and high society. Bruce lost his parents. The Penguin's parents intentionally lost him. Except it's all superficial from Bruce's side. Burton did a great job fleshing out the origins of Joker, Penguin and Catwoman. We know who they are, where they came from, what their goals are, and what their motivations are. The titular character, on the other hand, is two-dimensional and vague. All we know is his parents were killed and now he's a vigilante. He doesn't have any character growth, nor does he really have any kind of story arc - the Bruce Wayne/Batman we meet in the start of '89 is functionally the exact same guy at the end of Returns. He's little more than a plot device to foil the plans of the villains who drive the narrative of both movies.
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