Ultimo Gallos
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jul 30, 2017 19:07:34 GMT -5
I actually preferred WCW in mid 92, before the influx of WWF stars. A main event scene of Sting, Vader, Flair, Luger and eventually Ron Simmons was great to watch. The US Title revolved around Rick Rude and Ricky Steamboat, Steve Austin was TV Champion, Brian Pillman was Light Heavyweight Champion, and was facing Scotty Flamingo (Raven) and Jushin Liger. Plus you had Cactus Jack, Barry Windham, Paul Orndorff, Dustin (pre-Goldust) Rhodes, and Steve Williams and Terry Gordy challenging the Steiners for the tag team titles, as well as the team of Arn Anderson and Bobby Eaton. It was great. If you want a great example of a David v Goliath match where the face is over but can't work out how to beat the giant bad guy, watch Sting v Vader at the Great American Bash. Rude v Steamboat at Beach Blast is also a great watch. Beach Blast 92 is still my favorite PPV ever. And WCW in 92 is my second favorite year in wrestling.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jul 30, 2017 19:48:33 GMT -5
Face Hogan by 1996 is a parade of unintentional comedy. Watch the Doomsday Cage match at Uncensored and probably bring booze. It's great!
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Post by evilone on Jul 30, 2017 19:49:36 GMT -5
'92-'93 WCW was the dope! Right on par with WWF at the time. Vader and Cactus Jack were tearing down the house in full blown hardcore match. Something you had to wait 5 more years to see in WWF. Of course WCW had its pitfalls much like WWF by always turning back for more true and tested but boring vanilla clichés like Flair beating Vader which was totally unbelievable especially after Bulldog couldn't manage to do it. Bulldog should have won btw. Rude, Steamboat, Pillman, JbBadd, Dustin, Arn and many others that made it so exciting.
Then came HH with loony cartoony stuff and everything went to shizzer. I think there was even explanation why Dungeon of Doom existed, it was so HH couldn't face current WCW superstars and eventually loose. Mega creative clause in his contract.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 30, 2017 20:09:24 GMT -5
'92-'93 WCW was the dope! Right on par with WWF at the time. Vader and Cactus Jack were tearing down the house in full blown hardcore match. Something you had to wait 5 more years to see in WWF. Of course WCW had its pitfalls much like WWF by always turning back for more true and tested but boring vanilla clichés like Flair beating Vader which was totally unbelievable especially after Bulldog couldn't manage to do it. Bulldog should have won btw. Rude, Steamboat, Pillman, JbBadd, Dustin, Arn and many others that made it so exciting. Then came HH with loony cartoony stuff and everything went to shizzer. I think there was even explanation why Dungeon of Doom existed, it was so HH couldn't face current WCW superstars and eventually loose. Mega creative clause in his contract. Most accounts state that the majority of the WCW main event heels didn't want to work with Hogan So Kevin Sullivan put together the type of monster of the week he would conquer in the WWF becuase he couldn't just face Ric Flair every week.
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Zen411
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Post by Zen411 on Jul 30, 2017 20:59:29 GMT -5
Influx of wwf stars ended up eventually helping wcw. It got them noticed by wwf fans and eventually got the nwo as a concept. But I think seeing wwf stars with fake names like avalanche or the boss or guardian angel or the butcher made wcw look second rate. It was crazy those years because wwf and wcw rosters basically changed sides. Hogan, savage, quake, beefcake, hacksaw, irs, Kamala, sid, etc joined wcw while dustin rhodes, mick Foley, Austin, hhh , Marc mero, etc joined wwe.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 30, 2017 22:41:51 GMT -5
The problem for WCW is that they got much older with those signings while the WWF got younger and was in better position long term. 1993 era WCW though....one of the weirdest products ever I think. There are several Wrestlecrap HOF worthy angles that year (Beach Blast mini movie, Cactus with amnesia, White Castle of Fear, Shockmaster) yet the usual week to week show was quite solid from a wrestling standpoint. I mean the whole White Castle of Fear thing was to hype Superbrawl III, which is a great PPV. The Clash with the Shockmaster silliness was also a good show aside from that idiocy.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 30, 2017 22:50:47 GMT -5
And when half the damned roster is a part of the group, it kinda takes away from it. IMO, the nWo should have been: Hall, Nash, Hogan, Scott Steiner and Curt Hennig. PERIOD. I think the nWo having a lot of lackeys helped sometimes, like the build to Hogan vs Goldberg. A lot of cannon fodder was good for that kind of thing. They probably should have ejected those people after failing, though, and even when wanting fodder, they could have stood to have been choosier. Not to mention the nWo needed to grow in size, because they were taking on the whole WCW roster in their hostile takeover. A small, but more elite faction would end up fighting against factions bigger than they are, and end up accidentally getting over as babyfaces because of the numbers advantage, a la the West Texas Rednecks.
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Post by Clint Bobski on Jul 31, 2017 2:50:22 GMT -5
Face Hogan by 1996 is a parade of unintentional comedy. Watch the Doomsday Cage match at Uncensored and probably bring booze. It's great! "He's got a frying pan! My God he's got a frying pan!"
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jul 31, 2017 4:45:30 GMT -5
I actually preferred WCW in mid 92, before the influx of WWF stars. A main event scene of Sting, Vader, Flair, Luger and eventually Ron Simmons was great to watch. The US Title revolved around Rick Rude and Ricky Steamboat, Steve Austin was TV Champion, Brian Pillman was Light Heavyweight Champion, and was facing Scotty Flamingo (Raven) and Jushin Liger. Plus you had Cactus Jack, Barry Windham, Paul Orndorff, Dustin (pre-Goldust) Rhodes, and Steve Williams and Terry Gordy challenging the Steiners for the tag team titles, as well as the team of Arn Anderson and Bobby Eaton. It was great. If you want a great example of a David v Goliath match where the face is over but can't work out how to beat the giant bad guy, watch Sting v Vader at the Great American Bash. Rude v Steamboat at Beach Blast is also a great watch. I also love the 90-92 period. Pillman, Austin & Liger were terrific, you had a great tag division, and Simmons winning the title is one of my favourite title wins. That crowd pop is amazing. I'm mixed on 1995 WCW. There's some great stuff, but there's also Kevin Sullivan & co. I'd say it's a shade better than 95 WWF overall, though, because the dumb gimmicks are condensed into 1 faction. Looking back, I wish the nwo never existed. No way would I have wanted them to never happen, but no way would I have wanted them going as long as they were. I'd have kept them around til autumn 1998, transitioning to Raven with The Flock as the new top heel, Saturn as his dragon. Once they've ruled the roost heel-wise for a bit, you've several options- a Sting-era Wolfpac-type group explicitly portrayed as 'its the nWo minus Hogan but Sting isn't realising it yet", turn DDP heel, maybe Scott Steiner's ready by now, who knows. The nWo were brilliant for WCW for a long time, but vastly overstayed their welcome, 2 years would have been plenty of time to get the mileage out of them. Look at Evolution, they didn't need more than 2 years. The Shield barely had 18 months. WCW just never moved on to anybody else and given their heel-oriented booking that meant things got very stagnant- they waited too long to put the belt on Page and never really committed to him as top face, while they killed Goldberg's streak too soon and immediately Fingerpoked Nash's heat back on to Hogan. That could have been an interesting story- some hired gun of Hogan's, (I'd have said Scott Steiner), beats Goldberg using all sorts of dirty tactics & help, but is serving purely as a lackey to hand the belt back to Hogan who knows he can't beat Goldberg. Said lackey gets resentful of this and wants to beat Goldberg legitimately AND doesn't wanna do Hogan's dirty work anymore- but the way they did it just killed Goldberg, much like Page never getting his due in 1998 put a ceiling on him. They had 2 of the hottest babyfaces in the world at the time, and sat too long on one, while rushed through things with the other.
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Post by MrElijah on Jul 31, 2017 7:12:57 GMT -5
-Watch 1989 NWA. The sheer insane wrestling quality is the stuff of legends. Also Terry Funk is a madman. -Late 1991-92 WCW. The Dangerous Alliance kicks ass, THE WarGames match, the rise of Vader, excellent TV matches. Just all around good stuff. -First half of 1994 WCW. Just good wrestling, Rude as World Champ(As recognized by WCW International!), the brutal wars of the Nasty Boys vs. Cactus Jack & Maxx Payne/Kevin Sullivan and Dustin Rhodes vs. Bunkhouse Buck. Also watch Spring Stampede and Slamboree '94. Two of the best WCW shows ever.
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thecrusherwi
El Dandy
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jul 31, 2017 8:01:44 GMT -5
I love 1995 because it's when Bischoff started going crazy with marketing and promotions and was holding shows anywhere they could find a 16 x 16 flat space. WCW Saturday Night live from downtown Charlotte (in the drizzling rain), Nitro at the Mall of America, Worldwide at Disney MGM with a spinning ring during entrances, and of course, Bash at the Beach on the friggin beach! You could see waves crashing in the background. I was 8 years old at the time. I had been a fan of both WWF and WCW for as long as I could remember, but 1995 I remember because that's when WCW really started to feel more interesting and colorful than the WWF for the first time.
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Jiren
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Post by Jiren on Jul 31, 2017 8:49:07 GMT -5
I've gone back and watched WCW from 89 (Amazing year) and I'm up to Superbrawl V (February 1995) and I've so far found the Hogan era fine so far, Starrcade 94 was a pretty poor show though.
I haven't got to the major shitstorm yet though.
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Post by evilone on Jul 31, 2017 11:03:46 GMT -5
'92-'93 WCW was the dope! Right on par with WWF at the time. Vader and Cactus Jack were tearing down the house in full blown hardcore match. Something you had to wait 5 more years to see in WWF. Of course WCW had its pitfalls much like WWF by always turning back for more true and tested but boring vanilla clichés like Flair beating Vader which was totally unbelievable especially after Bulldog couldn't manage to do it. Bulldog should have won btw. Rude, Steamboat, Pillman, JbBadd, Dustin, Arn and many others that made it so exciting. Then came HH with loony cartoony stuff and everything went to shizzer. I think there was even explanation why Dungeon of Doom existed, it was so HH couldn't face current WCW superstars and eventually loose. Mega creative clause in his contract. Most accounts state that the majority of the WCW main event heels didn't want to work with Hogan So Kevin Sullivan put together the type of monster of the week he would conquer in the WWF becuase he couldn't just face Ric Flair every week. Yup you are right, that was it. In my humble opinion WCW really got lucky with Hogan in the long run especially about whole transition from DoD to nWo. I don't think nWo would work so well if there was no DoD both real life circumstances and kayfabe. DoD told Hogan he was deep into being stale and fans were finally exhausted of Hogan the monster slayer and thus Hogan agreed, last second though, to turn heel and turn wrestling world upside down again. If I was in charge I would have got rid of Hogan by '95 in the feud with The Giant. Of course not knowing what we know now it would have been a sane decision to make.
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Jiren
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Post by Jiren on Jul 31, 2017 17:59:41 GMT -5
If you really want to know about WCW 95/96 then watch Eric Bischoff/Kevin Sullivan's Youshoot/Timeline 94/96
All of em are great
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Post by hesgotabithycle on Jul 31, 2017 23:02:02 GMT -5
WCW was awful in 1995. But then I actually was perfectly fine with the 1992-94 era stuff that was pre Hogan. I had no desire to see Hogan come in to WCW, bring his cronies, etc. The problem is that WCW lost a ton of talent around the time Hogan came in. Steamboat and Rude both got hurt and had to retire, which wrecked various title scenes. Cactus Jack left anyway. For a solid year or so they had a real lack of talent on those cards and it wasn't remedied until the Nitro era. Now the first half of 1996? Great stuff. I was more and more disillusioned by the WWF's product at the time. Let's just say a 16 year old HS junior was NOT impressed with Shawn Michaels almost showing his cock on live TV, nor the various antics of Goldust. So WCW's more serious approach was right up my alley. That's one thing people forget. WCW had a strong product in better position to wipe out the WWF even if the NWO hadn't come around. Take a look at a brilliant PPV like GAB 1996. Hall and Nash show up for that Bischoff segment, but otherwise that PPV was just great wrestling from top to bottom. Agree with the Goldust/Michaels stuff. I really was creeped out by the weird gay stuff and Michaels taking his gyrating gigolo act to new lows. WCW on the other hand was doing cheesy 80's rehashes with Hogan and his cronies but at the very least WCW's undercard was pretty good. Better than the WWF.
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ERON
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Post by ERON on Jul 31, 2017 23:42:47 GMT -5
Pre-nWo Hogan-era WCW wasn't good, but it was both better than what WWF was doing at the time, and better than '93-'94 Watts-era WCW. '90-'92 WCW was awesome, though. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that, more often than not, WCW in the '90s was better than WWF in the '90s.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Aug 1, 2017 9:08:18 GMT -5
Early 90's I have a soft spot for, I enjoyed it even though there was a lot of crap.
The spring of 96 ater Hogan left and before the nWo that was an interesting wild period.
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Post by wildojinx on Aug 1, 2017 15:13:13 GMT -5
1993 is an interesting year. You had some great stuff in the first half with the Hollywood Blondes, Vader destroying everyone, Face Cactus Jack, etc, but then in the summer we got lost in cleveland and the mini-movies, and the second half of the year was completely planned out in advance via the Disney tapings, meaning there was no real motivation by the wrestlers.
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Post by madness50 on Aug 3, 2017 2:21:14 GMT -5
I was always more of a WCW fan as a young kid. I started watching full time in late 1994 and I remember liking WCW much more than the WWF in 1995. The WWF picked up steam in my eyes when Bret beat Diesel for the title at Survivor Series. Even as a very young kid, I thought the Dungeon of Doom was stupid. I still loved Hogan and Macho Man, but I had a hard time hating Flair and the Horsemen, even back then. 1995 was a very up and down year in wrestling. Late 1995 led the charge towards what would happen in 1996 though, so I can consider that a positive.
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Post by Chainmail Freak on Aug 6, 2017 8:18:55 GMT -5
Personally i had a hard time getting into the pre nWo era. The shows were too unstable for me it seemed like you never knew who the mid cards were going to be on a weekly basis. I will say the main events on the early Nitros were pretty good i just had a hard time staying interested until the last match.
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