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Post by Jiren on Aug 9, 2017 9:32:33 GMT -5
I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!!!!
Oh wait wrong movie
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 9, 2017 9:46:07 GMT -5
The thing I hated the most in the fallout of the movie is having to write up a detailed essay of why I didn't enjoy it. Because if you didn't have a long enough reason list, you were lumped in with the bad people.
"Eh. Just didn't think it was funny." Wasn't enough.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 9, 2017 9:48:02 GMT -5
For those folks the anger just doesn't seem worthwhile, since it's not like this movie killed Ghostbusters as a franchise or did anything particularly controversial with its script. The originals were never coming back in the first place (RIP Harold Ramis, and Murray never wanted back in), Sony's apparently trying again with a new crew (God help us), I'm guessing this is just the film Reitman was working to begin with, with cameos from the old crew (minus Ramis obviously and supposedly Murray WAS on board but Bill has the reputation of you gotta hope he shows up on that day.) before it was taken from him. If that's the case then I might get a bit more interested. I have a hard time trusting most of Sony's output as a studio, but if the new one is Reitman-helmed I'll at least give it a look. And yeah, the awfulness toward the movie before it even got released was a case of the well being poisoned from day one: Sony released a pretty crappy trailer, but attributing the amount of YouTube dislikes it got to "well, it wasn't a good trailer" would be a bit naive, I think. Naturally things only turned into a bigger and bigger circus as its release neared, but conversation about it was in rough shape from the moment the first trailer reactions came in. Not going to discount actual experiences people might have had with this, but personally I think just keeping it short and dispassionate would be better than writing a whole essay about it. The former is a laid back, not at all in-your-face opinion, the latter could read as getting too worked up over something not worth the effort. But, again: poisoned well on day one.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 9, 2017 9:59:31 GMT -5
Not going to discount actual experiences people might have had with this, but personally I think just keeping it short and dispassionate would be better than writing a whole essay about it. The former is a laid back, not at all in-your-face opinion, the latter could read as getting too worked up over something not worth the effort. But, again: poisoned well on day one. Yeah I can't speak for everyone else but personally when I came back with a "Eh. I didn't like it." I was met with a bunch of "WELL WHY? Is it because you can't get over the original? The movie is funnier than the original so that's wrong. Why wouldn't you like it? What's the reason?" And after going through the same thing in reverse earlier in the year with BvS. I just decided to shut my mouth and walk away from most discussions on movies.
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Post by devilfish on Aug 9, 2017 11:45:14 GMT -5
I have to say that I agree with some people here. I personally had no issues with an all female GB cast, as long as the movie was funny. And while there were good moments (Patty unveiling the Hearse as the new Ecto-1, almost all of Kate McKinnon), it just wasn't all that good. But it was all the hand-wringing and Social Justice ranting that went on around the movie that rubbed me the wrong way.
It wasn't enough for some people to just like this movie, oh no, you had people like Bob Chipman all but DEMANDING you to support this movie, like it was your duty as a red blooded American to pay full price, many times over, to watch this movie and treat it like your next born child. And if you dare criticize it, oh you're just one of those evil, nasty, terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad sexists!
On the other side there was legit sexism by some, and at the end of the day the movie was in a damned if they do, damned if they don't position. Personally, as a lifelong GB fan, I didn't care for it, but I kinda feel bad for everyone involved.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Aug 9, 2017 11:49:12 GMT -5
I died laughing at Bill Murray going through the window.
That's all I got.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 9, 2017 11:52:11 GMT -5
Only semi-related, but the RLM complaints about Rogue One not being able to stand on its own without episodeIV is still weird
Cuz, it's like "of course it wouldn't. It was never meant to."
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Post by Jiren on Aug 9, 2017 11:54:52 GMT -5
I have to say that I agree with some people here. I personally had no issues with an all female GB cast, as long as the movie was funny. And while there were good moments (Patty unveiling the Hearse as the new Ecto-1, almost all of Kate McKinnon), it just wasn't all that good. But it was all the hand-wringing and Social Justice ranting that went on around the movie that rubbed me the wrong way. It wasn't enough for some people to just like this movie, oh no, you had people like Bob Chipman all but DEMANDING you to support this movie, like it was your duty as a red blooded American to pay full price, many times over, to watch this movie and treat it like your next born child. And if you dare criticize it, oh you're just one of those evil, nasty, terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad sexists! On the other side there was legit sexism by some, and at the end of the day the movie was in a damned if they do, damned if they don't position. Personally, as a lifelong GB fan, I didn't care for it, but I kinda feel bad for everyone involved. Plus what happened to James Rolfe was pathetic, And what happened to Leslie Jones was despicable.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 9, 2017 11:56:55 GMT -5
I still think James was smart enough to know that would go viral.
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Post by agent817 on Aug 9, 2017 12:10:24 GMT -5
As I had noted in my thread about the mob-like mentality of the internet, this exactly proves my point by reading some of the posts on here. You see, I can understand if somebody didn't like the film. It didn't do it for them, great. However, people seem to gang up on those who either like the film, or didn't dislike it enough. It almost seems as if everyone is supposed to agree on this film being horrible. People are entitled to their opinions, but when it comes to this film, it seems that it's the exception to the rule, at least for some, if not many.
When it comes to reboots and remakes, I have taken a few with a grain of salt. I have seen Point Break and Robocop, and while I do not like the former, I basically judge the film on its own merits. As for the latter, I remember liking it the first time I saw it, but then when I saw it a second time, I just thought that the film was meh. But I still ended up liking the Ghostbusters reboot, for some reason.
Also when talking about the comic book series, it seems that some people are still complaining about the 101 series and also the upcoming series based on this film. From what I've heard, the 101 series is supposed to be pretty good and I have yet to read the comics that I have. Of course, everything is subjective, but when it was announced about the 101 series, people are already flocking to trash the series before it was done. I swear, these people have some unhealthy obsession with his phone. It's kind of scary.
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Post by FinalGwen on Aug 9, 2017 12:20:35 GMT -5
With Ghostbusters, it's not a groundbreaker. It was a fun enough movie with a script that needed some heavy editing, with a few great, memorable characters and good casting, some genuinely memorable and witty dialogue mixed in with badly written cheese that shouldn't have made it through a first draft, a great soundtrack, and enough about it that worked that we mostly overlook the holes in the plot.
Oh, and I think it got a remake too.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 9, 2017 12:28:38 GMT -5
The extremes on both sides of this made everyone involved look awful. ----- I found that most if not all of the jokes weren't funny... and it fell into the same trap that a lot of remakes do by having things in the movie becuase it was in the original... but removing the context as to why. A fun way to call that is "Cargo Cult Thinking". Trying to do the same steps you see without trying to understand why.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Aug 9, 2017 12:37:17 GMT -5
The person who probably benefited the most from GB2016 was Chris Hemsworth, who showed that he has great comedic chops and timing. For what it's worth, a humourous performance by Hemsworth in Thor: Ragnarok is owed in part, I suspect, to GB2016. Adding Taika Waititi to the mix of that film only pushes the Hemsworth-as-comedy-lead idea over the top.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 9, 2017 12:46:57 GMT -5
I thought the movie was alright. Not an abomination, but not something I'd go out of my way to see again either. Then again, I don't hold up the original movies on a pedestal and the idea of a remake/reboot of a previously loved franchise isn't anathema to me. I've seen movie remakes that probably had no business being even mediocre, much less good, that worked out (hi 21 Jump Street). And Paul Feig is usually someone who can make a good movie even if he couldn't make a trailer to save his life, so I gave it a chance. I would've liked to see the cast in a movie that wasn't so mediocre writing-wise, because they were easily the best thing about the movie, especially McKinnon. But the jokes just fell flat a lot of times.
I can also understand the extreme defensiveness over it because the sexist backlash was ridiculous and disgusting. But it, too, got into mob mentality. And even some of the professional reviews were cringeworthy, as they seemed to be critiquing the concept of a Ghostbusters movie with an all-female cast, and the very idea of women being funny, versus the actual movie.
That said, I've always despised RLM so I'm not going to watch this latest one.
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Post by eJm on Aug 9, 2017 13:18:54 GMT -5
I died laughing at Bill Murray going through the window. That's all I got. The best thing about it was that his body didn't even appear and were immidiantly making jokes after it. Mostly cause you could tell that's how he was going to be in this thing. And props for that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 13:33:50 GMT -5
What cracks me up is that people went into a Paul Feig movie that (from all accounts) was a pretty standard Paul Feig-type comedy and then was surprised/angry that it was a regular Paul Feig movie.
I get giving a movie a chance, but Feig has an extensive body of work. People know what his style of comedy is like and he pretty much delivered that (love it or hate it - personally, he's not my brand of comedy which is why I didn't watch it). So when people list off typical Feig-type jokes/styles/etc as complaints about this movie seems like a weird way to approach a watching something.
It's like if Scorsese made a Running Man remake and people were like, "What's with all this voice-over!?!? Why is there a different song every 10mins!??!"
I love The Running Man from the 80's and if I weren't a Scorsese fan, I just wouldn't see his version of it.
But I guess that would really disrupt a lot of people's gimmicks online.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 9, 2017 14:03:07 GMT -5
What cracks me up is that people went into a Paul Feig movie that (from all accounts) was a pretty standard Paul Feig-type comedy and then was surprised/angry that it was a regular Paul Feig movie. But I guess that would really disrupt a lot of people's gimmicks online. Maybe the fact that most people don't know about Paul Feig work,who he is. And other people expecting you know, a Ghostbuster Movie and not a Paul Feig classic work.It wasn't being market "Another classic Paul Feig Story" it was "The Rebirth of Ghostbusters"
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 9, 2017 14:03:42 GMT -5
The tracking shots in Scorsese Running Man would be badass
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 9, 2017 14:04:46 GMT -5
I have to say that I agree with some people here. I personally had no issues with an all female GB cast, as long as the movie was funny. And while there were good moments (Patty unveiling the Hearse as the new Ecto-1, almost all of Kate McKinnon), it just wasn't all that good. But it was all the hand-wringing and Social Justice ranting that went on around the movie that rubbed me the wrong way. It wasn't enough for some people to just like this movie, oh no, you had people like Bob Chipman all but DEMANDING you to support this movie, like it was your duty as a red blooded American to pay full price, many times over, to watch this movie and treat it like your next born child. And if you dare criticize it, oh you're just one of those evil, nasty, terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad sexists! On the other side there was legit sexism by some, and at the end of the day the movie was in a damned if they do, damned if they don't position. Personally, as a lifelong GB fan, I didn't care for it, but I kinda feel bad for everyone involved. Having watched the relevant MovieBob videos on the topic, I honestly have no idea how that was your takeaway from them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 14:08:22 GMT -5
What cracks me up is that people went into a Paul Feig movie that (from all accounts) was a pretty standard Paul Feig-type comedy and then was surprised/angry that it was a regular Paul Feig movie. But I guess that would really disrupt a lot of people's gimmicks online. Maybe the fact that most people don't know about Paul Feig work,who he is. And other people expecting you know, a Ghostbuster Movie and not a Paul Feig classic work.It wasn't being market "Another classic Paul Feig Story" it was "The Rebirth of Ghostbusters" Exactly - people have a strange way of looking at movies now. I mean - they busted ghosts in the movie didn't they? That fulfills the basic promise of it being a ghostbusters movie. Directors don't seem to matter when people consider watching a movie even though the director's vision, style, taste is going to be a HUGE factor in the outcome of the film (except for stuff like the MCU). It just seems all backwards to me. "Okay, I'm going to go watch this Ghostbusters movie directed by Paul Feig - WHAT THE HELL WHY IS THIS A PAUL FEIG MOVIE!?!??!!?"
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