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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Oct 4, 2017 4:41:02 GMT -5
After Dunblane and Port Arthur, the United Kingdom and Australia took decisive action and have almost completely prevented further attacks of a similar scale. In the United States, none of that will happen, so these massacres will continue to happen over and over again. When it was decided that the killing of the children in Sandy Hook was bearable enough to prevent any changes, any hope of change was lost at that moment.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Oct 4, 2017 5:05:36 GMT -5
An absolute tragedy but looking at it logically, so many questions need to be answered -
- How did the hotel allow that much munition into the vicinity? 2nd amendment aside, but shouldn't that have raised red flags? - He was a high roller, so is he exempt from basic security checks? They probably transported his bags with the weapons in them for him to his room.
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Post by Lardlad on Oct 4, 2017 6:29:15 GMT -5
An absolute tragedy but looking at it logically, so many questions need to be answered - - How did the hotel allow that much munition into the vicinity? 2nd amendment aside, but shouldn't that have raised red flags? - He was a high roller, so is he exempt from basic security checks? They probably transported his bags with the weapons in them for him to his room. A few more questions would be: - How long had he stayed in that room before the now fatal night? A couple days, a couple weeks? - His "girlfriend" Marilou Danley named person of interest has landed in the USA from Manila - she may shed some light? - When did she leave the US? - Did she book the hotel room? Room card key was in her name - $100,000 wired to her. Did she accept it and why was he sending her so much money?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 4, 2017 7:24:32 GMT -5
An absolute tragedy but looking at it logically, so many questions need to be answered - - How did the hotel allow that much munition into the vicinity? 2nd amendment aside, but shouldn't that have raised red flags? - He was a high roller, so is he exempt from basic security checks? They probably transported his bags with the weapons in them for him to his room. He reportedly transported it all up to his room over the course of several days, and guests’ luggage isn’t checked, so I’m not really sure what kind of security checks you’re expecting. I stayed in Vegas in April for a wedding, and several members of the wedding party - including the groom - kept firearms in their rooms, despite it not being permitted by the casino. Short of installing airport-style x-ray scanners I’m not sure how something like this could be prevented.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Oct 4, 2017 8:32:38 GMT -5
An absolute tragedy but looking at it logically, so many questions need to be answered - - How did the hotel allow that much munition into the vicinity? 2nd amendment aside, but shouldn't that have raised red flags? - He was a high roller, so is he exempt from basic security checks? They probably transported his bags with the weapons in them for him to his room. I've never been to a hotel that did security checks of baggage. Could you imagine the uproar if they did that?
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Oct 4, 2017 9:00:44 GMT -5
An absolute tragedy but looking at it logically, so many questions need to be answered - - How did the hotel allow that much munition into the vicinity? 2nd amendment aside, but shouldn't that have raised red flags? - He was a high roller, so is he exempt from basic security checks? They probably transported his bags with the weapons in them for him to his room. He reportedly transported it all up to his room over the course of several days, and guests’ luggage isn’t checked, so I’m not really sure what kind of security checks you’re expecting. I stayed in Vegas in April for a wedding, and several members of the wedding party - including the groom - kept firearms in their rooms, despite it not being permitted by the casino. Short of installing airport-style x-ray scanners I’m not sure how something like this could be prevented. Perhaps that's the answer? Scanners and security devices. Anyone with more than a handgun is challenged. Other countries subject to gun and terror attacks have put in measures in public places. Friends who have visited these countries not long after an attack (Turkey for example) don't mind the inconvenience of a search for the peace of mind that the club venue or pub is a safe place to be. But we are veering off to politics so I will say no more.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 4, 2017 9:00:57 GMT -5
An absolute tragedy but looking at it logically, so many questions need to be answered - - How did the hotel allow that much munition into the vicinity? 2nd amendment aside, but shouldn't that have raised red flags? - He was a high roller, so is he exempt from basic security checks? They probably transported his bags with the weapons in them for him to his room. I've never been to a hotel that did security checks of baggage. Could you imagine the uproar if they did that? I work in a hotel and have done for the last five years. We undergo training to watch for suspicious activity (specifically terrorism, human trafficking, and forced prostitution), and if we have any suspicions about a guest we can contact the authorities, but that is the limit of our powers. A single guest carrying a disproportionate amount of luggage is eyebrow-raising, but not uncommon and almost always completely innocent. And again, the guy spent several days carrying his arsenal up to his room in a deliberate attempt to be as inconspicuous as possible. In a hotel/casino where literally thousands of people pass through on a daily basis who’s going to notice one guy carrying a couple of bags once or twice a day?
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Oct 4, 2017 9:02:53 GMT -5
An absolute tragedy but looking at it logically, so many questions need to be answered - - How did the hotel allow that much munition into the vicinity? 2nd amendment aside, but shouldn't that have raised red flags? - He was a high roller, so is he exempt from basic security checks? They probably transported his bags with the weapons in them for him to his room. I've never been to a hotel that did security checks of baggage. Could you imagine the uproar if they did that? I'd much rather read the headline "Hotel guests outraged at being searched but potential mass shooter identified and subdued. No life lost"
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 4, 2017 9:16:42 GMT -5
He reportedly transported it all up to his room over the course of several days, and guests’ luggage isn’t checked, so I’m not really sure what kind of security checks you’re expecting. I stayed in Vegas in April for a wedding, and several members of the wedding party - including the groom - kept firearms in their rooms, despite it not being permitted by the casino. Short of installing airport-style x-ray scanners I’m not sure how something like this could be prevented. Perhaps that's the answer? Scanners and security devices. Anyone with more than a handgun is challenged. Other countries subject to gun and terror attacks have put in measures in public places. Friends who have visited these countries not long after an attack (Turkey for example) don't mind the inconvenience of a search for the peace of mind that the club venue or pub is a safe place to be. But we are veering off to politics so I will say no more. I fear that would be almost impossible to implement when you consider the amount of foot traffic that the average Las Vegas strip hotel/casino sees on a daily basis - an average of 122,000 people per day visit Vegas. Basic metal scanners aren’t any good, since they can’t differentiate between a pocketful of loose change and a gun, and the airport-style x-ray machines are slow enough in the controlled environment of an airport, never mind being at the public entrance of every hotel and casino on the strip.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 4, 2017 9:39:42 GMT -5
One idea I had was some sort of detectors on the windows that alert the staff if the windows are broken. That would only specifically help in cases like this though where there are sealed windows instead of balconies.
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Post by Lardlad on Oct 4, 2017 10:46:43 GMT -5
The news is saying he had to have planned this ahead of time in order to get a room high-enough and facing the right direction. And, because of the types of weapons he was using he had to have had an accomplice as some of them require two people to operate. So think it’s his girlfriend. Plus, these were weapons you can’t just learn to use on your own at a firing range, they require special training. That means he went out and paid for training at some point.
I think this dude really, really hated country music.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 4, 2017 11:19:29 GMT -5
And, because of the types of weapons he was using he had to have had an accomplice as some of them require two people to operate. So think it’s his girlfriend. She was out of the country at the time, and had been since last month, how could she have helped him operate them?
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Post by Lardlad on Oct 4, 2017 12:02:36 GMT -5
Maybe she took a very fast boat.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Oct 4, 2017 12:10:32 GMT -5
I've never been to a hotel that did security checks of baggage. Could you imagine the uproar if they did that? I'd much rather read the headline "Hotel guests outraged at being searched but potential mass shooter identified and subdued. No life lost" Me too! Corporations only care about their profit though. If people get upset that their bags are being searched, they'll go elsewhere.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 4, 2017 12:31:52 GMT -5
The news is saying he had to have planned this ahead of time in order to get a room high-enough and facing the right direction. And, because of the types of weapons he was using he had to have had an accomplice as some of them require two people to operate. So think it’s his girlfriend. Plus, these were weapons you can’t just learn to use on your own at a firing range, they require special training. That means he went out and paid for training at some point. I think this dude really, really hated country music. Except it's been reported he was a country music fan...which is even more confusing. And apparently some hotels in Vegas have already installed metal detectors..
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Post by Cyno on Oct 4, 2017 14:41:10 GMT -5
Nothing about the shooter makes sense and what we learn about him only introduces more questions than answers.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Oct 4, 2017 14:47:44 GMT -5
Perhaps that's the answer? Scanners and security devices. Anyone with more than a handgun is challenged. Other countries subject to gun and terror attacks have put in measures in public places. Friends who have visited these countries not long after an attack (Turkey for example) don't mind the inconvenience of a search for the peace of mind that the club venue or pub is a safe place to be. But we are veering off to politics so I will say no more. I fear that would be almost impossible to implement when you consider the amount of foot traffic that the average Las Vegas strip hotel/casino sees on a daily basis - an average of 122,000 people per day visit Vegas. Basic metal scanners aren’t any good, since they can’t differentiate between a pocketful of loose change and a gun, and the airport-style x-ray machines are slow enough in the controlled environment of an airport, never mind being at the public entrance of every hotel and casino on the strip. This right here. Those casinos are wide open to foot traffic with a dozen different exits and entrances. It's simply not practical in any way shape or form to put metal detectors in a city like Vegas.
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Post by Muskrat on Oct 4, 2017 16:46:20 GMT -5
Not to downplay this tragedy at all, but the idea of giving hotel employees power to decide who gets searched, who doesn't, and what qualifies to have you not admitted to the hotel (which, knowing average hotel policy would also include forfeiture of one night or more roomrate based on "late cancellation policies") just seems so open for abuse.
Unless hotels are checking literally every guest who comes in, which is completely unfeasible from a financial and staffing perspective, then it will get abused. I hate seeing tragedies like this with such frequency, but I don't feel this is the solution.
Besides, do you really think it would've been the 65 year old white high roller who would've gotten red flagged walking in?
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 4, 2017 17:34:19 GMT -5
I mean..Disneyland started using metal detectors lately and doing random searches. I've gone times, haven't been asked to go through them, and have been other times.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Oct 4, 2017 17:47:06 GMT -5
I mean..Disneyland started using metal detectors lately and doing random searches. I've gone times, haven't been asked to go through them, and have been other times. Disneyland isn't remotely laid out or designed similarly to a casino.
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