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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 5:45:29 GMT -5
I wouldn't rule out miscommunication, one agent told The New Day "after the match do x" and a different one told Owens and Zayn "after the match do y" and it ended up a bit of a mess and Owens lost his temper backstage. I know he stays in character and plays a heel on twitter but there's enough of the real him on there to know that he's the sort of person who doesn't suffer fools gladly and would give someone who displeased him a tongue lashing. He may have just given this potential tongue lashing to the wrong person and done a Titus.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Nov 9, 2017 5:53:00 GMT -5
I just watched the opening promo and I saw a clip of “the incident” earlier. Knowing about it going into the promo, this really smells of a work. The way Sami and Kevin were acting coming out, Shane saying they walk around like they run the place, it all seems like some huge work.
Enzo’s real life heat, being an annoying little weasel, made him one of the best heels in WWE when they turned it into an angle. Why not manufacture that? Kevin and Sami are supposed to be anti authority heels, have they do something even the fans would be like, “they should be punished for that.” Make them real f***ing heels. The Incident didn’t even look like anyone was confused. Everyone played their role as they normally would. It didn’t look like anything went wrong, which may be the only thing they did wrong. If they really wanted to play that up as them going into business for themselves, they should have had a little more chaos. Cut to commercial suddenly while everyone looks confused. Come back to something that’s obviously thrown together filler because the segment went short. Do something more to sell it.
It kinda makes me wonder if Enzo’s real life heat started this, or if that was all a work, too. Cass saying Enzo in the ring is the same outside of the ring. Enzo acting like a complete idiot in a strip club in the twitter age. The locker room stories getting out. I kind of love this new kayfabe.
(If that’s what all this is, and if Sami and Kevin end up still being a part of big storylines, I will assume it is.)
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 9, 2017 5:55:03 GMT -5
Once they got home Sami Zayn's mom promptly grounded him for a week, and gave him 'the talk' about how Kevin Owens is a bad influence and he should find better friends. Sami Zayn then pouted, skanked to his bedroom, and slammed the door. I just picture him doing his OTT heel dance all the way up the stairs while pouting.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Nov 9, 2017 6:18:00 GMT -5
Wasn't a post match beating a staple of every Hulk Hogan feud ever? It's throwaway stuff.
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Post by abjordans on Nov 9, 2017 8:40:46 GMT -5
All I'll say is this: if I got the opportunity to work with New Day, I'd be selling my ass off for them. "Hey Vince, can I do a Flair Flop?" Here, here. People need to understand we are talking about one of the most long running stretches of sustained babyface overness in WWE history. It is never any kind of demotion to be involved with New Day, it is a privelage. Nothing to be mad about.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 9, 2017 10:40:32 GMT -5
Five years ago Steen even being in WWE would have seemed unbelievable. Now he's a former world champ, one of the top guys, and lately has been able to bring his friend along for the ride. Whatever is going on here, if I was him I think I'd be doing my level best to make amends and smooth things over.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Nov 9, 2017 11:21:43 GMT -5
No-sell 100 finishers in a single match, show no psychology at all, deliver the most fake sounding promos on television, and everything is fine. Don't sell a post match beatdown that no one will remember 5 minutes later, and it's worth being sent home. Gotta love pro wrestling. You're talking about John Cena here, right?
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Post by Tenshigure on Nov 9, 2017 11:25:08 GMT -5
No-sell 100 finishers in a single match, show no psychology at all, deliver the most fake sounding promos on television, and everything is fine. Don't sell a post match beatdown that no one will remember 5 minutes later, and it's worth being sent home. Gotta love pro wrestling. You're talking about John Cena here, right? Sounds more like Roman Reigns as of late, really.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 9, 2017 11:38:20 GMT -5
You're talking about John Cena here, right? Sounds more like Roman Reigns as of late, really. Both instances would be wrong. You can say many things about both guys, but I usually find their stuff believable in the context of pro wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 11:46:01 GMT -5
All I'll say is this: if I got the opportunity to work with New Day, I'd be selling my ass off for them. "Hey Vince, can I do a Flair Flop?" It makes you wonder exactly what Owens and Zayn thought they'd be doing for a while. You're still doing some weird feud with Shane who rarely wrestles. Who else do you tango with? Styles is world champion feuding with Mahal and Owens feuded with him not that long ago. Nakamura and Orton are still up for grabs and then you've got New Day. New Day's one of the most over and successful teams this decade and they're the longest reigning tag champs in history. If there's any legit team you'd wanna feud with on SDL you'd pick them. I don't get it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 9, 2017 11:54:17 GMT -5
All I'll say is this: if I got the opportunity to work with New Day, I'd be selling my ass off for them. "Hey Vince, can I do a Flair Flop?" It makes you wonder exactly what Owens and Zayn thought they'd be doing for a while. You're still doing some weird feud with Shane who rarely wrestles. Who else do you tango with? Styles is world champion feuding with Mahal and Owens feuded with him not that long ago. Nakamura and Orton are still up for grabs and then you've got New Day. New Day's one of the most over and successful teams this decade and they're the longest reigning tag champs in history. If there's any legit team you'd wanna feud with on SDL you'd pick them. I don't get it. I guess it goes back to what is Owens potentially upset about that he didn't want to do this spot? It's f**ing meaningless, you're bumping for New Day who is one the hottest acts on the roster, and you was just bumping your ass off for Shane. Keep in mind they are still sort of feuding with Shane as well and conventional thoughts is they get the big shine by costing Smackdown the match at Survivor Series Who knows what the hell is going on
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Post by eJm on Nov 9, 2017 11:59:08 GMT -5
It makes you wonder exactly what Owens and Zayn thought they'd be doing for a while. You're still doing some weird feud with Shane who rarely wrestles. Who else do you tango with? Styles is world champion feuding with Mahal and Owens feuded with him not that long ago. Nakamura and Orton are still up for grabs and then you've got New Day. New Day's one of the most over and successful teams this decade and they're the longest reigning tag champs in history. If there's any legit team you'd wanna feud with on SDL you'd pick them. I don't get it. I guess it goes back to what is Owens potentially upset about that he didn't want to do this spot? It's f**ing meaningless, you're bumping for New Day who is one the hottest acts on the roster, and you was just bumping your ass off for Shane. Keep in mind they are still sort of feuding with Shane as well and conventional thoughts is they get the big shine by costing Smackdown the match at Survivor Series Who knows what the hell is going on Like, it feels like there's an aspect missing from all this or like Meltzer said, there are a few different stories going around with the truth probably being a fusion of all of them. Not justifying any of these events because, as many people have said, if it was straight up "screw this, I'm out" and there were no discussions about booking backstage then yeah, they're unprofessional as hell but this feels like with Neville where it was a few problems building up leading to all this. Again, not justifying, just feels like there's holes.
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Post by joeiscool on Nov 9, 2017 12:07:37 GMT -5
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Nov 9, 2017 12:14:33 GMT -5
Pretty sure it was a communication error and then Owens losing his temper because he was being yelled at for said miscommunication. Pretty simple to resolve.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 9, 2017 12:20:28 GMT -5
Damn, I guess Owens and Zayn really are booty.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 9, 2017 12:49:29 GMT -5
I guess it goes back to what is Owens potentially upset about that he didn't want to do this spot? It's f**ing meaningless, you're bumping for New Day who is one the hottest acts on the roster, and you was just bumping your ass off for Shane. Keep in mind they are still sort of feuding with Shane as well and conventional thoughts is they get the big shine by costing Smackdown the match at Survivor Series Who knows what the hell is going on Like, it feels like there's an aspect missing from all this or like Meltzer said, there are a few different stories going around with the truth probably being a fusion of all of them. Not justifying any of these events because, as many people have said, if it was straight up "screw this, I'm out" and there were no discussions about booking backstage then yeah, they're unprofessional as hell but this feels like with Neville where it was a few problems building up leading to all this. Again, not justifying, just feels like there's holes. I would assume it's a mix of a lot of things. KO family situation, turmoil in the back, friends leaving, overseas madness (every damn year), etc....... I think the common denominator is it seems KO/Sami just f*** it for that spot in which they are assholes for doing so. Now if there was a miscommunication than you can't blame them but i'm sure WWE talked to a good amount of people before sending home 2 of your featured guys from an overseas tour. I don't think either man is going anywhere and I hope this isn't a f***ing work because it will be stupid. Assuming this isn't a work and it's genuine I feel the next person to pull a stunt in regards to walking off the show or going into business for themselves will be getting shit canned
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Post by eJm on Nov 9, 2017 12:59:55 GMT -5
Like, it feels like there's an aspect missing from all this or like Meltzer said, there are a few different stories going around with the truth probably being a fusion of all of them. Not justifying any of these events because, as many people have said, if it was straight up "screw this, I'm out" and there were no discussions about booking backstage then yeah, they're unprofessional as hell but this feels like with Neville where it was a few problems building up leading to all this. Again, not justifying, just feels like there's holes. I would assume it's a mix of a lot of things. KO family situation, turmoil in the back, friends leaving, overseas madness (every damn year), etc....... I think the common denominator is it seems KO/Sami just f*** it for that spot in which they are assholes for doing so. Now if there was a miscommunication than you can't blame them but i'm sure WWE talked to a good amount of people before sending home 2 of your featured guys from an overseas tour. I don't think either man is going anywhere and I hope this isn't a f***ing work because it will be stupid. Assuming this isn't a work and it's genuine I feel the next person to pull a stunt in regards to walking off the show or going into business for themselves will be getting shit canned Oh yeah, I'm not doubting the asshole behaviour here because there are way of dealing with it to please everyone, it feels like something happened that made it something different, but yeah I'm sure there were talks and it wasn't some kind of anger induced rage like the Titus deal or something like that. The thing that annoys me about the "work" stuff (and this isn't pointing at particular people, just the general point) is that...this company is incapable of doing a basic debut storyline anymore and have to have potentially built stars beaten down by lower midcard geeks to make them look like everyone else...you suddenly think they're capable of doing a storyline that blurs the lines? They didn't even do a good job of that with the one feud that WAS on television that way.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 9, 2017 14:03:14 GMT -5
Here's what Meltzer says - There's a lot of untrue info out there. One thing that's not true is the tour bus thing with Owens complaining loudly, he wasn't even on the bus after the tapings. - The finish of the match happened as it was supposed to with Kofi pinning Zayn. - The post-match however is being told different ways depending on how you hear it but that's the point of contention. That's where the issue lies. - None of this has to do with Neville, Jacobs or etc. - Neither guy is looking to leave the WWE. - It's all up to Vince to decide what he wants to do. You can't predict his actions. This is the one that sticks out to me as a really big deal. Like clearly things aren't totally adding up here, but this one sticks out to me in particular; where did this bit come from if he was never even on the bus? Is this a really sloppy work? Did someone else have an incident on the bus and someone thought it was Owens? Is someone with a grudge shittalking him and spreading lies? This is such a weird-ass story.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 14:08:36 GMT -5
Here's what Meltzer says - There's a lot of untrue info out there. One thing that's not true is the tour bus thing with Owens complaining loudly, he wasn't even on the bus after the tapings. - The finish of the match happened as it was supposed to with Kofi pinning Zayn. - The post-match however is being told different ways depending on how you hear it but that's the point of contention. That's where the issue lies. - None of this has to do with Neville, Jacobs or etc. - Neither guy is looking to leave the WWE. - It's all up to Vince to decide what he wants to do. You can't predict his actions. This is the one that sticks out to me as a really big deal. Like clearly things aren't totally adding up here, but this one sticks out to me in particular; where did this bit come from if he was never even on the bus? Is this a really sloppy work? Did someone else have an incident on the bus and someone thought it was Owens? Is someone with a grudge shittalking him and spreading lies? This is such a weird-ass story. I can imagine it now.
"Yeah, yeah, he was complaining loudly and it was pissing everyone off. He was almost thrown off the bus man. Forreal."
"How can I trust you? Are you sure about that? He really did it?"
"Whoo whoo, you know it bro. He did."
"Ok thanks."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 14:12:25 GMT -5
No-sell 100 finishers in a single match, show no psychology at all, deliver the most fake sounding promos on television, and everything is fine. Don't sell a post match beatdown that no one will remember 5 minutes later, and it's worth being sent home. Gotta love pro wrestling. You're talking about John Cena here, right? Honestly, the entire company. No one sells or uses psychology anymore. That’s why I mentioned how stupid getting in trouble for something like that really is.
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