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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 20, 2017 20:42:17 GMT -5
And the book of tna will finally be closed, they're the undisputed worst company in wrestling's history. Nope. BY FAR not. TNA had a few awesome years and even at their absolute worst they're not as bad as IWS-MS or XPW just to name two much worse companies. Those were indies, tna at one point was a major company. TNA also lost way way more money and displayed more incompetence.
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Post by finallydeleted on Nov 20, 2017 21:22:28 GMT -5
The real reason people don't bother watching anymore? NO HOPE. Any success TNA has with anyone who gets pushed is ephemeral because they always don't bother paying and talent either leaves for greener pastures or is dropped. TNA is a forsaken wasteland of indie wrestlers no one cares about. All the "TNA Originals" are gone. All the old timers who cost big contracts are gone. There is nothing and no one. There is no past because the people that made the past are all gone. There is no future because nobody bothers watching a bunch of irrelevant goons unlucky enough to get their lives uprooted to get shipped off to Canada in a desperate attempt at recognition. There is no present because screw watching TNA when Stranger Things and Game of Thrones exist. It is a sad, pathetic, joke, a creature that should have gone extinct long ago, a dodo bird wandering Mauritius after sailors showed up and ate all the females calling plaintively for a consort that never comes. It struggles on in its pathetic excuse for an existence merely because of a past memory of how things used to work, unable to comprehend a world that is no longer its home.
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Post by MWC on Nov 20, 2017 21:22:33 GMT -5
And I hate to say this...but those corner seats were never put on sale. The only show where I've seen those one's actually on sale was for the Wrestlecon Supershow. They did that last year also and used them for overflow for GA on all the other shows outside of the Supershow. If that is indeed the case (and I have no doubt that it is since you have firsthand knowledge of the setup), then the corrected total is... 20. 20. f***ing. Tickets. For a Wrestlemania weekend show. Not joking at all: My local indie, who has basically ZERO names working for them on the regs, draws 15-20 times that number every 6 weeks. IMPACT wrestling, with a national TV deal, has to sell 20 times more tickets than they already have to outsell a local indie who doesn't even sell DVDs. Frankly, even on Wrestlemania weekend with just shy of 5 months left to sell, I don't think they can do it. Exactly. I just went through all the Wrestlecon events just to re-check on if any of the other events have put those corner spots on sale and the only other show that shows them available is the CZW show. The rest of them are all greyed out. I bought tickets to PWRevoler/RevPro right as they went on sale and those seats were never available. House of Hardcore didn't show them when I looked right away also. I know last year they had some issues with those seats and used them as almost a "make good" for issues in the actual rows/tickets. ShowClix also gives notes on "who's going" which is typically a decent indicator. For reserved seats, 16 people have purchased the current 28 reserved tickets (shown on map). Of those 16, minimum 4 people purchased seats as a single seat based on the map (2 front row, 1 second row, 1 sixth row). There are 2 more single seats that were taken by the entrance but will assume those were purchased in a pair with both people wanting a spot by the entrance. That would leave 12 people to purchase a minimum of two seats each = 24 + 4 single seats = 28. General admission doesn't show a map, but based on the "Who's Going" a total of 4 people purchased general admission tickets. This doesn't show the amount of tickets they purchased. But between both reserved and general admission....a total of 20 individual accounts purchased tickets.
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Post by finallydeleted on Nov 20, 2017 21:25:05 GMT -5
Also, I hope Impact's woeful inability to sell tickets makes people aware of how utterly irrelevant a "national TV deal" is now...especially a national TV deal that reduces TNA to paid programming.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Nov 20, 2017 22:40:02 GMT -5
TNA is literally so incompetent, they don't even know how to go out of business right.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 20, 2017 22:55:41 GMT -5
The real reason people don't bother watching anymore? NO HOPE. Any success TNA has with anyone who gets pushed is ephemeral because they always don't bother paying and talent either leaves for greener pastures or is dropped. TNA is a forsaken wasteland of indie wrestlers no one cares about. All the "TNA Originals" are gone. All the old timers who cost big contracts are gone. There is nothing and no one. There is no past because the people that made the past are all gone. There is no future because nobody bothers watching a bunch of irrelevant goons unlucky enough to get their lives uprooted to get shipped off to Canada in a desperate attempt at recognition. There is no present because screw watching TNA when Stranger Things and Game of Thrones exist. It is a sad, pathetic, joke, a creature that should have gone extinct long ago, a dodo bird wandering Mauritius after sailors showed up and ate all the females calling plaintively for a consort that never comes. It struggles on in its pathetic excuse for an existence merely because of a past memory of how things used to work, unable to comprehend a world that is no longer its home. See that's where this is so crazy: TNA actually has some really good indie talent on their roster, but everything about their presentation and booking makes them look like so much less. Everyone but Lashley feels lesser in TNA, like they're just a guy, even major talents like Johnny Mundo. It might not be a roster you could really sell a promotion of their size with, but the talent is there, and that's the one thing TNA hasn't totally failed at.
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Post by eJm on Nov 21, 2017 16:23:46 GMT -5
The real reason people don't bother watching anymore? NO HOPE. Any success TNA has with anyone who gets pushed is ephemeral because they always don't bother paying and talent either leaves for greener pastures or is dropped. TNA is a forsaken wasteland of indie wrestlers no one cares about. All the "TNA Originals" are gone. All the old timers who cost big contracts are gone. There is nothing and no one. There is no past because the people that made the past are all gone. There is no future because nobody bothers watching a bunch of irrelevant goons unlucky enough to get their lives uprooted to get shipped off to Canada in a desperate attempt at recognition. There is no present because screw watching TNA when Stranger Things and Game of Thrones exist. It is a sad, pathetic, joke, a creature that should have gone extinct long ago, a dodo bird wandering Mauritius after sailors showed up and ate all the females calling plaintively for a consort that never comes. It struggles on in its pathetic excuse for an existence merely because of a past memory of how things used to work, unable to comprehend a world that is no longer its home. See that's where this is so crazy: TNA actually has some really good indie talent on their roster, but everything about their presentation and booking makes them look like so much less. Everyone but Lashley feels lesser in TNA, like they're just a guy, even major talents like Johnny Mundo. It might not be a roster you could really sell a promotion of their size with, but the talent is there, and that's the one thing TNA hasn't totally failed at. And here’s the crazier thing about your point... The indie talent there looks less. But that doesn’t matter because nobody watches Impact. Sami Callihan on TNA is a side guy for OVE. Outside that TNA bubble, he’s a part of one of several rapidly growing indies and has a contract with New Japan. They could make him Josh Matthews’ brother and it literally wouldn’t matter because nobody with sense that books shows watches.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 21, 2017 16:32:18 GMT -5
See that's where this is so crazy: TNA actually has some really good indie talent on their roster, but everything about their presentation and booking makes them look like so much less. Everyone but Lashley feels lesser in TNA, like they're just a guy, even major talents like Johnny Mundo. It might not be a roster you could really sell a promotion of their size with, but the talent is there, and that's the one thing TNA hasn't totally failed at. And here’s the crazier thing about your point... The indie talent there looks less. But that doesn’t matter because nobody watches Impact. Sami Callihan on TNA is a side guy for OVE. Outside that TNA bubble, he’s a part of one of several rapidly growing indies and has a contract with New Japan. They could make him Josh Matthews’ brother and it literally wouldn’t matter because nobody with sense that books shows watches. OvE is even riding that same boom on a bunch of growing indies, and they're slightly more palatable over there. And I've harped on it before, but Trevor Lee went to the finals of BOLA last year in a match where he was put on an even keel with Marty Scurll and Will Ospreay. TNA has no f***ing clue what it's doing with its talent, and they're so lucky that the line about getting more exposure and bookings through TV is bullshit because if people were actually paying attention to TNA these guys wouldn't be doing shit.
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Post by finallydeleted on Nov 21, 2017 16:37:22 GMT -5
See that's where this is so crazy: TNA actually has some really good indie talent on their roster, but everything about their presentation and booking makes them look like so much less. Everyone but Lashley feels lesser in TNA, like they're just a guy, even major talents like Johnny Mundo. It might not be a roster you could really sell a promotion of their size with, but the talent is there, and that's the one thing TNA hasn't totally failed at. And here’s the crazier thing about your point... The indie talent there looks less. But that doesn’t matter because nobody watches Impact. Sami Callihan on TNA is a side guy for OVE. Outside that TNA bubble, he’s a part of one of several rapidly growing indies and has a contract with New Japan. They could make him Josh Matthews’ brother and it literally wouldn’t matter because nobody with sense that books shows watches. Did you just say that even "wrestling people" don't watch TNA broadcasts, and therefore their booking is irrelevant? Is TNA's continued existence even a memory hole at this stage?
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Post by Demented on Nov 21, 2017 16:44:03 GMT -5
TNA is literally so incompetent, they don't even know how to go out of business right. TNA is the cockroach of wrestling. In 210 years, a vault dweller is going to stumble upon the legendary Radroach that is TNA.
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Post by eJm on Nov 21, 2017 16:45:58 GMT -5
And here’s the crazier thing about your point... The indie talent there looks less. But that doesn’t matter because nobody watches Impact. Sami Callihan on TNA is a side guy for OVE. Outside that TNA bubble, he’s a part of one of several rapidly growing indies and has a contract with New Japan. They could make him Josh Matthews’ brother and it literally wouldn’t matter because nobody with sense that books shows watches. Did you just say that even "wrestling people" don't watch TNA broadcasts, and therefore their booking is irrelevant? Is TNA's continued existence even a memory hole at this stage? I mean, I say that because, like SCJA mentioned, Trevor Lee is still a significant figure in the indies across the country and is a champion in at least one other promotion. But considering how much of a non factor he’s been treated like in TNA, if people were watching, he wouldn’t be seen as anywhere near that credible. Like, if WWE has deals like this and Dolph Ziggler’s career direction was seen by indies, they wouldn’t exactly choose him to lead a promotion because it’d make them look bad.
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Post by finallydeleted on Nov 21, 2017 22:00:00 GMT -5
TNA is literally so incompetent, they don't even know how to go out of business right. TNA is the cockroach of wrestling. In 210 years, a vault dweller is going to stumble upon the legendary Radroach that is TNA. It will end up being a civilization of Radroaches that worship Abyss' embalmed corpse as their god.
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Post by agent817 on Nov 22, 2017 0:19:47 GMT -5
It's amazing how they are still going no matter how dead they really are.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 23, 2017 1:14:33 GMT -5
They are still going because Anthem wanted to make something out of it while not spending much money in it. And they have no idea how to monetize it. So all they do is keep it alive but cut and cut and cut into everything. But all it does is make them less of an attractive product.
For example, If I'm a wrestling company like TNA, at least make sure you have 5 homegrown talent that have been with the company for a long time to at least say outthere that hey we're still TNA. Cause I believe one of one of the draws of TNA over the years was that to nurture that homegrown feel with guys like Kaz, AJ, Joe, Daniels, Roode, Storm, Abyss, etc...Sort of like WCW had guys like Flair, Sting, the Steiners, etc...all the time. Losing Storm even if he was well paid, it's just a bad signal you are sending outthere. With him gone, for the TNA diehards they are no more emotion attachment to the company. Since it sucks right now, there's no reason to come back.
They are making all the wrong decisions. Getting rid of certains guys is a blow, becoming a Canadian company is another blow. You have to send the message to the World that you're not giving up. You should close shop or spend some money to show that you at least try.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 23, 2017 19:41:22 GMT -5
Somewhere in Canada - June 2018
Flunky: "Ed? Mr. Nordholm? What are we going to do? All the wrestlers have quit, the station cancelled our show and the building kicked us out."
Ed: "Speedbumps, my boy. It takes time and patience to build something like this. Our goal was to cut costs and we've done it. We don't owe any workers or crew, our advertising dept didn't spend a dime. We're finally in a place to start making money! This is our fresh start!"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 1:50:05 GMT -5
Somewhere in Canada - June 2018 Flunky: "Ed? Mr. Nordholm? What are we going to do? All the wrestlers have quit, the station cancelled our show and the building kicked us out." Ed: "Speedbumps, my boy. It takes time and patience to build something like this. Our goal was to cut costs and we've done it. We don't owe any workers or crew, our advertising dept didn't spend a dime. We're finally in a place to start making money! This is our fresh start!" Which is TNA code for "Hire Russo"
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Nov 24, 2017 3:58:06 GMT -5
At this point I can't help but wonder if Anthem has a whole bunch of dirty money stashed away somewhere and they simply brought TNA to use a front to launder it.
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 24, 2017 14:29:17 GMT -5
When I think back to TNA not being able to even execute easy storylines, think back to the whole way Rob Van Dam was used in 2010. After beating Styles for the title, there were a couple of things set up that you would think would pay off at BFG or whenever. 1. RVD mentioned Kurt Angle in a promo, as if to drop a hint of a future match. 2. Angle took himself out of the top 10 rankings voluntarily in order to go through everyone en route to #1. This is a classic, time honored storyline of a champ and challenger being kept apart until a major PPV. So of course TNA burns through RVD's dates, have him killed by Abyss in one of the most idiotic angles ever, and somehow the BFG main event ended up being Angle vs. Ken Anderson and Jeff Hardy.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 27, 2017 0:28:56 GMT -5
Somewhere in Canada - June 2018 Flunky: "Ed? Mr. Nordholm? What are we going to do? All the wrestlers have quit, the station cancelled our show and the building kicked us out." Ed: "Speedbumps, my boy. It takes time and patience to build something like this. Our goal was to cut costs and we've done it. We don't owe any workers or crew, our advertising dept didn't spend a dime. We're finally in a place to start making money! This is our fresh start!" "Oh, by the way Flunky...can you do a flip?"
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 27, 2017 7:23:20 GMT -5
The real reason people don't bother watching anymore? NO HOPE. Any success TNA has with anyone who gets pushed is ephemeral because they always don't bother paying and talent either leaves for greener pastures or is dropped. TNA is a forsaken wasteland of indie wrestlers no one cares about. All the "TNA Originals" are gone. All the old timers who cost big contracts are gone. There is nothing and no one. There is no past because the people that made the past are all gone. There is no future because nobody bothers watching a bunch of irrelevant goons unlucky enough to get their lives uprooted to get shipped off to Canada in a desperate attempt at recognition. There is no present because screw watching TNA when Stranger Things and Game of Thrones exist. It is a sad, pathetic, joke, a creature that should have gone extinct long ago, a dodo bird wandering Mauritius after sailors showed up and ate all the females calling plaintively for a consort that never comes. It struggles on in its pathetic excuse for an existence merely because of a past memory of how things used to work, unable to comprehend a world that is no longer its home. He’s right you know.
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