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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 14, 2017 18:54:54 GMT -5
This is what I deal with... These are the types of people that live around me. Oh f*** off. Not you This chucklef*** that you quoted. How can someone miss the point so badly?
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 14, 2017 18:57:21 GMT -5
So does America have anything similar to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission? If something like this was attempted in Australia then you bet your arse that the ACCC would slap it down for being anti consumer.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Dec 14, 2017 18:59:46 GMT -5
Not an American, but this also pisses me off. I have American friends so knowing that I probably won't be able to talk to them as much sucks. Hope more states join in on suing the FCC. Blows my mind how they can control so much.
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Post by Mecca on Dec 14, 2017 19:16:16 GMT -5
This is what I deal with... These are the types of people that live around me. Oh f*** off. Not you This chucklef*** that you quoted. How can someone miss the point so badly? They always spin it into "anything government is bad, all regulation is bad" That's the crux of every argument.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 14, 2017 19:35:40 GMT -5
The vote doesn’t mean that it’s over. The next thing that has to happen is that it has to be take. To court, which from past records has been rejected twice before. Yeah I'm not panicking just yet, but it saddens me that it has even reached this point. Gotta keep the pressure on. What might play a big role in any court proceedings is the issue of about a million comments submitted by stolen identities of both living and dead people, as well as the FCC flat out ignoring the NY State Attorney General raising the issue and asking for an investigation... which may show that shenanigans are afoot.
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Post by Crimson on Dec 14, 2017 19:47:24 GMT -5
Florida stays losing. Seriously gives thought on where I plan to look for jobs after finishing grad school.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 20:11:15 GMT -5
My current state (New York) and future state (Virginia) are on there but is there a real source to this? Never heard of the Anon journal.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 14, 2017 20:23:45 GMT -5
What is this $2.99 FAN access fee on my latest Verizon bill?
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Dec 14, 2017 20:28:01 GMT -5
What is this $2.99 FAN access fee on my latest Verizon bill? '' I think it's the trial membership fee to "Freaky And Nude".com
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Post by Cyno on Dec 14, 2017 20:38:54 GMT -5
My current state (New York) and future state (Virginia) are on there but is there a real source to this? Never heard of the Anon journal. I dunno about Virginia, but New York's AG has been outspoken about this even before today and the BBC article I read about it said he was readying the lawsuit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 20:40:46 GMT -5
My current state (New York) and future state (Virginia) are on there but is there a real source to this? Never heard of the Anon journal. I dunno about Virginia, but New York's AG has been outspoken about this even before today and the BBC article I read about it said he was readying the lawsuit. Oh duh. I remember reading that
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 14, 2017 20:50:52 GMT -5
My current state (New York) and future state (Virginia) are on there but is there a real source to this? Never heard of the Anon journal. I dunno about Virginia, but New York's AG has been outspoken about this even before today and the BBC article I read about it said he was readying the lawsuit. He's the guy that was looking into the fraudulent comments submitted to the FCC, after all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 20:54:36 GMT -5
I'm glad we can vent, but remember Joe Neglia can lock this anytime.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 14, 2017 21:44:24 GMT -5
I'm glad we can vent, but remember Joe Neglia can lock this anytime. And we would have had we not specifically intended to leave it open.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 14, 2017 22:13:31 GMT -5
Just checking, though...
...have people angry at the end of Net Neutrality made actually seen the standards made in the bill that passed today?
The bill that passed simply rolled back Net Neutrality to the standards it was in 2015.
All this bill does has made it so that if, say, Netflix wants to pay Verizon to package Netflix with their services, they can do it.
This bill doesn't allow Verizon to say "Okay, we've put our eggs in with Netflix- if you watch the WWE Network or Amazon Prime on Verizon, we're going to throttle the server."
It also doesn't allow, say, Comcast to say "If Verizon's made a deal with Netflix and not us, we're going to throttle Netflix's server in favor of someone who deals with us."
(Warning, though, as one negative to this...if you thought paid articles on social media were bad before today, you ain't seen nothing yet.)
This isn't a GOOD development (though the development isn't as bad as it sounds...and actually, could be more positive for the streaming era), it's a good sign if they would step back here and we don't get angry they'd make moves they WOULD get angry about...but it's not like this is the End Times for the Internet like it's been sold as.
WORST CASE, this isn't the "The Sky is Falling!" moment it's being sold as- and we still have to keep fighting the FCC to stand our ground to not GET TO THAT Sky is Falling moment.
Best case, this is like complaining in the cable TV era about forcing the cable company to put your local channels on the cable company's program list...something that isn't a major inconvenience and may actually be a positive.
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Post by Malcolm on Dec 14, 2017 22:35:40 GMT -5
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Post by lodirulz on Dec 14, 2017 22:37:15 GMT -5
While I do understand that its not the end of the Internet, it paved the way for ISP's to block websites and charge fees for website access if they so wish. I feel that no corporation should have the ability to control such a free outlet of information.
And also, no longer treating the Internet as a utility is cold. It'll just lead to the expansion of the haves and have nots gap.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 15, 2017 1:07:56 GMT -5
This is what I deal with... These are the types of people that live around me. And I'll bet whoever farted that out is repeating almost verbatim something they read or heard in their politically-leading outlet of choice without even considering to look into the details themselves. Whatever happened to thinking for yourself any more? People just want to live in their echo chambers and base their decisions on whether they like or dislike the people in charge, rather than whether the proposals those people make are in any way will actually benefit them.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 15, 2017 1:31:45 GMT -5
And also, no longer treating the Internet as a utility is cold. It'll just lead to the expansion of the haves and have nots gap. To be fair, this was already the case even when the internet was classified as a Title II utility. America's broadband infrastructure past the cities and suburbia is, to put it lightly, absolutely pathetic.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 15, 2017 2:21:32 GMT -5
While I do understand that its not the end of the Internet, it paved the way for ISP's to block websites and charge fees for website access if they so wish. I feel that no corporation should have the ability to control such a free outlet of information. And also, no longer treating the Internet as a utility is cold. It'll just lead to the expansion of the haves and have nots gap. The big problem with this is that- again, this DOES NOT pave the way for ISP's to block websites or charge fees for website access if they so wish. That power is nowhere NEAR what this specific law entailed the rights to do. And from the obvious "But Net Neutrality will hinder new technology!" viewpoint, if anything- the law that passed today is a BENEFIT to new technology, not a hindrance- because the law allows streaming services to sign contracts with ISPs to be added to packages to their services. Since cable companies, by and large, run most of the ISPs in America- that may actually be a good thing, as it allows cable companies to deal with streaming services as they would normal cable network packages. If this goes through after the lawsuits, you will NOT see in two years "You have to pay money to go on FAN, or you're blocked from X site because we don't like what they're saying." That's a different battle that has to come up later, and which we have to fight for starting now to make sure it doesn't go there. What you WOULD see in two years is that your ISP will be able to package streaming services together and band them in packages like a package on regular cable networks. We've already seen that can lower the prices dramatically with VRV being able to do that for a number of smaller streaming services.
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